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Re: The bookies have us finishing 20th ?
They don't rate Hull either 28/1. Portsmouth half our odds at 33.
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Re: The bookies have us finishing 20th ?
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2b2bdoo
I think at the moment we have depth but I’m not sure about strength but also a lot of question marks over players. Ramsey and ODowda seem to always pick up an injury, NG has his back problems hang seem to pop up during the season. Chambers hasnt played regularly for 3 years and ElGhazi hasn’t really played for a year, even Willock hasn’t had many minutes pre season I don’t think. Kanga is totally unknown.
That’s not to say they should be written off, most of them have quality but they will need to be managed well especially in the opening weeks.
To really push on to top 6 I would like to see Romeo, Wintle and Rino moved on but I still think we need a striker, winger, midfielder, left back and another right back.
Careful, you'll be accused of being negative.
I agree with what you say. I also think we need to revise our defensive tactics as well. I don't see the situation as pushing on from a top half finish. I see us needing to improve from a crap last 6 months of the season before we even consider finishing 12th again.
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The Lone Gunman
The current Championship relegation odds with SkyBet are:
11/8 - Oxford
9/4 - Plymouth
4/1 - Blackburn
4/1 - Derby
4/1 - Millwall
4/1 - Preston
9/2 - Cardiff
11/2 - Bristol City
11/2 - Swansea
11/2 - Watford
So, Oxford and Plymouth are clear favourites, but little between the next eight in the betting.
These odds have shifted a bit overnight. It's now:
11/8 - Oxford
9/4 - Plymouth
7/2 - Cardiff
4/1 - Blackburn
4/1 - Preston
9/2 - Bristol City
9/2 - Derby
9/2 - Millwall
9/2 - Watford
5/1 - Swansea
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Re: The bookies have us finishing 20th ?
Have QPR had investment or made a lot of signings.? I'd have them as one of the drop favourites.
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The problem we'll have, as touched upon already in this thread, is the new players who've come in are not up to fitness.
If they were all up to speed from the get-go I'd be more confident, but that won't be the case.
Anwar El Ghazi could be a potential game-changer, but we may not see him at full fitness until past the middle of September.
Chris Willock, Calum Chambers, and Wilfried Kanga are all in the same boat regarding fitness, although admittedly to a lesser degree than El Ghazi.
Looking at the first seven fixtures that will take us up to the end of September (Hull City away), it's difficult to see where the points will come from if we don't have our strongest side playing, aside from perhaps Derby County.
If we begin with a midfield of Siopis, Ralls, and Ramsey we'll get overrun. Ralls and Ramsey don't have the legs anymore.
I can also envisage us starting with Ollie Tanner, I'm not saying he's a bad player, but he shouldn't be starting.
We need to stop this playing out from the back, it's suicidal and inviting pressure on ourselves.
Finally, we need to press effectively, it's so frustrating to watch our lackadaisical approach to this aspect of our game.
These last two issues are on Bulut.
I just hope by October we don't find ourselves too far adrift.
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Rock_Flock_of_Five
The problem we'll have, as touched upon already in this thread, is the new players who've come in are not up to fitness.
If they were all up to speed from the get-go I'd be more confident, but that won't be the case.
Anwar El Ghazi could be a potential game-changer, but we may not see him at full fitness until past the middle of September.
Chris Willock, Calum Chambers, and Wilfried Kanga are all in the same boat regarding fitness, although admittedly to a lesser degree than El Ghazi.
Looking at the first seven fixtures that will take us up to the end of September (Hull City away), it's difficult to see where the points will come from if we don't have our strongest side playing, aside from perhaps Derby County.
If we begin with a midfield of Siopis, Ralls, and Ramsey we'll get overrun. Ralls and Ramsey don't have the legs anymore.
I can also envisage us starting with Ollie Tanner, I'm not saying he's a bad player, but he shouldn't be starting.
We need to stop this playing out from the back, it's suicidal and inviting pressure on ourselves.
Finally, we need to press effectively, it's so frustrating to watch our lackadaisical approach to this aspect of our game.
These last two issues are on Bulut.
I just hope by October we don't find ourselves too far adrift.
Unless there's a change of style then a pressing game won't be seem. Bulutball is a stand off break us down if you can get everyone behind the ball and try and play through us.
Will the players we've brought in improve things from last season?
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Hilts
Have QPR had investment or made a lot of signings.? I'd have them as one of the drop favourites.
Me too, but that cost me last season. I did a pre-season bet involving one outcome in each division:
Sheffield United to be relegated from the Premier League @ 4/6
QPR to be relegated from the Championship @ 5/2
Cheltenham to be relegated from League One @ 5/4
Stockport County to be promoted from League Two @ 11/10
Chesterfield to be promoted from the National League @ 6/5
5 x £5 four-folds and a £5 five-fold.
QPR were rubbish during the first half of the season and in the relegation zone for a long time, but they picked up eventually. By the end of the campaign they'd become one of the form teams. They won five and drew one of their final eight games, which killed my bet. I got £86 back for my £30 stake but it would have been a whole lot more if QPR had behaved themselves.
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Rock_Flock_of_Five
The problem we'll have, as touched upon already in this thread, is the new players who've come in are not up to fitness.
Chambers could potentially be one of the very best defenders in the division, but he's played very little football in recent seasons.
El Ghazi should be a class act at this level if he can recapture his form and fitness, but he hasn't started a game in over a year and his career seems to have been in decline for a few seasons.
Willock should be more than decent at this level, but he also needs to recapture the form he was showing at QPR a few years ago for that to be the case.
Kanga could be anything.
In my opinion, these signings are among the most interesting the club has made in some time, but there are obviously significant question marks against all of them.
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The Lone Gunman
Me too, but that cost me last season. I did a pre-season bet involving one outcome in each division:
Sheffield United to be relegated from the Premier League @ 4/6
QPR to be relegated from the Championship @ 5/2
Cheltenham to be relegated from League One @ 5/4
Stockport County to be promoted from League Two @ 11/10
Chesterfield to be promoted from the National League @ 6/5
5 x £5 four-folds and a £5 five-fold.
QPR were rubbish during the first half of the season and in the relegation zone for a long time, but they picked up eventually. By the end of the campaign they'd become one of the form teams. They won five and drew one of their final eight games, which killed my bet. I got £86 back for my £30 stake but it would have been a whole lot more if QPR had behaved themselves.
They changed manager from Ainsworth, with a win percentage of 17.9% to Marti Cifuentes 37.5%, I was thinking the same as you both, but they must be assuming he can keep things going and push them up the table a bit.
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Eric the Half a Bee
Careful, you'll be accused of being negative.
I agree with what you say. I also think we need to revise our defensive tactics as well. I don't see the situation as pushing on from a top half finish. I see us needing to improve from a crap last 6 months of the season before we even consider finishing 12th again.
I'm optimistic, I think we will see an improvement this season. I like the signings so far and think they will work, Kanga we probably know the least about but I've just got a feeling he's going to be decent for us. Talk of a new midfielder next week Robertson possibly and as Bob has been saying a centre-half starter. Time will tell if they will come off, but things feel much more positive, and am looking forward to the new season!
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Re: The bookies have us finishing 20th ?
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2b2bdoo
I think at the moment we have depth but I’m not sure about strength but also a lot of question marks over players. Ramsey and ODowda seem to always pick up an injury, NG has his back problems hang seem to pop up during the season. Chambers hasnt played regularly for 3 years and ElGhazi hasn’t really played for a year, even Willock hasn’t had many minutes pre season I don’t think. Kanga is totally unknown.
That’s not to say they should be written off, most of them have quality but they will need to be managed well especially in the opening weeks.
To really push on to top 6 I would like to see Romeo, Wintle and Rino moved on but I still think we need a striker, winger, midfielder, left back and another right back.
It's right to doubt Ramsey and O'Dowdas fitness they are great players but very fragile, hopefully, Bulut realises this and manages the situation with plenty of rest and subbing them off early in the second half if need be.
I think the squad will be a lot better than last year and think we will have more strength in depth especially when we are finished and a lot of the youngsters that aren't loaned out will provide additional cover.
It's another tough start but it was last year and we started well, lets hope that continues and we get the first half of the season and not the last.
Top six is going to be difficult, and the teams coming down will be strong, but it's good to be aiming for top six, as we should at least be aiming to finish higher than last season, it looks like this will be a better squad.
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North Cardiff Blue
They changed manager from Ainsworth, with a win percentage of 17.9% to Marti Cifuentes 37.5%, I was thinking the same as you both, but they must be assuming he can keep things going and push them up the table a bit.
The table for the first half of last season (games 1 to 23) has QPR 22nd, but the table for the second half of the season (games 24 to 46) has them 10th, so it was quite a turnaround.
By comparison, City were 10th in the first half of the season table, but 17th in the second half of the season.
These are the kind of stats the bookies will be factoring into their pre-season odds, but it's a new season with new players (and in some cases managers) right throughout the division, so it's obviously pure guesswork at this stage.
The Racing Post's 80-page pre-season guide is in Monday's paper. I get a copy every year. It's excellent value and always interesting to look back on as the season progresses. It'll be good to see how their pundits rate City's chances this season. I'll keep you posted (no pun intended).
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North Cardiff Blue
It's right to doubt Ramsey and O'Dowdas fitness they are great players but very fragile, hopefully, Bulut realises this and manages the situation with plenty of rest and subbing them off early in the second half if need be.
I think the squad will be a lot better than last year and think we will have more strength in depth especially when we are finished and a lot of the youngsters that aren't loaned out will provide additional cover.
It's another tough start but it was last year and we started well, lets hope that continues and we get the first half of the season and not the last.
Top six is going to be difficult, and the teams coming down will be strong, but it's good to be aiming for top six, as we should at least be aiming to finish higher than last season, it looks like this will be a better squad.
O Dowda is a good player at this level if he's fit but far from great.
I'm more hopeful of Davies King Colwill having an impact if given an opportunity than O Dowda. He's just always injured even at Bristol City.
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The Lone Gunman
The table for the first half of last season (games 1 to 23) has QPR 22nd, but the table for the second half of the season (games 24 to 46) has them 10th, so it was quite a turnaround.
By comparison, City were 10th in the first half of the season table, but 17th in the second half of the season.
These are the kind of stats the bookies will be factoring into their pre-season odds, but it's a new season with new players (and in some cases managers) right throughout the division, so it's obviously pure guesswork at this stage.
The Racing Post's 80-page pre-season guide is in Monday's paper. I get a copy every year. It's excellent value and always interesting to look back on as the season progresses. It'll be good to see how their pundits rate City's chances this season. I'll keep you posted (no pun intended).
:thumbup: That makes sense.
It will be interesting to see what they say, and if they've kept up to date with who we've signed and how they think they will do.
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The Lone Gunman
Chambers could potentially be one of the very best defenders in the division, but he's played very little football in recent seasons.
El Ghazi should be a class act at this level if he can recapture his form and fitness, but he hasn't started a game in over a year and his career seems to have been in decline for a few seasons.
Willock should be more than decent at this level, but he also needs to recapture the form he was showing at QPR a few years ago for that to be the case.
Kanga could be anything.
In my opinion, these signings are among the most interesting the club has made in some time, but there are obviously significant question marks against all of them.
He did manage 8 goals in 24 appearances for PSV 2022-2023, if he can pick that kind of form back up, he will be a huge asset.
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Re: The bookies have us finishing 20th ?
Bookies don't care about getting it right bookies care about the book ie making a 10%+ profit on the total sum bet on the market. The truth is that people don't bet on Cardiff that's why Cardiff odds are so high. That is also why England odds are so low as lots of people bet on England.
Imagine the next Cardiff city manager odds. Aaron Ramsey 100/1 a person puts a £1000 on Aaron and the odds would plumet to 2/1.
Odds are just a reflection of public opinion at the end of the day
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Re: The bookies have us finishing 20th ?
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the other bob wilson
We've lacked mobility in midfield for years, but, hopefully, something is being done about that and we'll have someone in to try and rectify that before the season starts.
I've just watched a stream where two Luton fans predict where everyone's going to finish, one of them had us in tenth, which is about as high as I've seen us in these sort of things, solely down to Willock, tbe other one had us in 20th solely down to Horvarth who he doesn't rate at all - he said their promotion was far more down to their defenders than Horvarth. Must admit, I'm not totally convinced by Horvarth and I'm not convinced Alnwick is a top end of the Championship keeper, but I don't see us bringing in anyone in that position.
We also let in far too many goals last season, but we have two new defenders and, if the rumours are to be believed, have someone else coming in to be a starter next week, so, even if we lose MCGuinness, as I suspect we will, we would seem to have strengthened there.
I'm more optimisitc about Kanga than I was at first, but he still doesn't strike me as someone who is going to be prolific. I think much will depend on how much Bulut trusts Isaak Davies and how much more confident Isaak will be after his goals in Belgium last season, but I still feel concerned that there aren't enough goals in our forward players to make us reralistic top six challengers.
I rate Alnwick more than Horvath. When our form dipped in the second half of the season that was when one of our central defenders and keeper got injured.
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Ribeye
Bookies don't care about getting it right bookies care about the book ie making a 10%+ profit on the total sum bet on the market. The truth is that people don't bet on Cardiff that's why Cardiff odds are so high. That is also why England odds are so low as lots of people bet on England.
Imagine the next Cardiff city manager odds. Aaron Ramsey 100/1 a person puts a £1000 on Aaron and the odds would plumet to 2/1.
Odds are just a reflection of public opinion at the end of the day
There’s so much wrong with this post it would be exhausting to try to correct it, so I won’t bother.
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Re: The bookies have us finishing 20th ?
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Originally Posted by
Ribeye
Bookies don't care about getting it right bookies care about the book ie making a 10%+ profit on the total sum bet on the market. The truth is that people don't bet on Cardiff that's why Cardiff odds are so high. That is also why England odds are so low as lots of people bet on England.
Imagine the next Cardiff city manager odds. Aaron Ramsey 100/1 a person puts a £1000 on Aaron and the odds would plumet to 2/1.
Odds are just a reflection of public opinion at the end of the day
Absolutely right
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The Lone Gunman
There’s so much wrong with this post it would be exhausting to try to correct it, so I won’t bother.
He is right in parts.
The market will be dictated as much by the bets as the settler.
Statistically the better supported clubs will have bets against them.
The market will be skewed massively by Leeds
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Re: The bookies have us finishing 20th ?
It don't look like Bulut is going to alter his approach to the way he wants his team to play. So unless we get the same luck as last season then 20th is about right.
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Alfresco
It don't look like Bulut is going to alter his approach to the way he wants his team to play. So unless we get the same luck as last season then 20th is about right.
Tbf I don’t get that from what I’ve seen pre-season. Certainly been a change in style but against lower quality teams.
To me the concern is, it doesn’t work and default is defensive backs against the wall.
Tbh it wouldn’t surprise me if we are top 3 or bottom 3
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2b2bdoo
Tbf I don’t get that from what I’ve seen pre-season. Certainly been a change in style but against lower quality teams.
To me the concern is, it doesn’t work and default is defensive backs against the wall.
Tbh it wouldn’t surprise me if we are top 3 or bottom 3
Last season, our poorest form was when we were at our most defensive. Despite that, it meant we carried less threat, created little, scored less and conceded more. It didn't take a rocket scientist to work that out, yet as form declined, Bulut got more defensive and things got even worse.
When we played even remotely on the front foot we were much better. Bulut has to learn this or he'll be gone by December.
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2b2bdoo
Tbf I don’t get that from what I’ve seen pre-season. Certainly been a change in style but against lower quality teams.
To me the concern is, it doesn’t work and default is defensive backs against the wall.
Tbh it wouldn’t surprise me if we are top 3 or bottom 3
I agree with the first two sentences (not the third).
There has been a change in playing style pre-season (bar one game), which the players (including Ramsey) have also spoken about. It seems to be a combination of Bulut changing/evolving and the impact of the new attacking coach. A high press and at times flooding the box - albeit against variable opposition - is different.
But I can't see Bulut wiping away his entire managerial blueprint. Those posters who have studied (!) his style at other clubs all come back to a defensive (negative?) mindset and set up, and we have seen that comes to the top when the results don't come. I hope he is more adaptable than most of us think, but I expect at best baby steps in the direction most of us would like to see as standard.
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WJ99mobile
He is right in parts.
The market will be dictated as much by the bets as the settler.
Statistically the better supported clubs will have bets against them.
If the markets were based on that logic, City would be ranked in the bookies’ lists above the likes of Luton, Watford, QPR, Millwall and Swansea, but they’re not.
Do you reckon more people bet in these markets on teams like QPR or Swansea than bet on Cardiff?
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Here come the podcasts' predictions.
Not The Top 20 Podcast has us in 18th. They talk about how bad we were creating chances from open play and how little football will be played by Ramsey, Chambers and Willock because of their injury history:
https://youtu.be/GGXAQjJII3Y?si=3uPO9m8M4alSCTYd&t=1560
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Carl Dale's Mole
Here come the podcasts' predictions.
Not The Top 20 Podcast has us in 18th. They talk about how bad we were creating chances from open play and how little football will be played by Ramsey, Chambers and Willock because of their injury history:
https://youtu.be/GGXAQjJII3Y?si=3uPO9m8M4alSCTYd&t=1560
Seemed a fair well balanced bit on us.
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2b2bdoo
Seemed a fair well balanced bit on us.
Yep. They’re miles better than the Second Tier podcast imo but fair and balanced doesn’t get you those all important views and listens in today’s world does it!
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Carl Dale's Mole
Here come the podcasts' predictions.
Not The Top 20 Podcast has us in 18th. They talk about how bad we were creating chances from open play and how little football will be played by Ramsey, Chambers and Willock because of their injury history:
https://youtu.be/GGXAQjJII3Y?si=3uPO9m8M4alSCTYd&t=1560
Nonesense, he knows nothing about us, basing it on stats from last year only, quite a few have tried to do that and come unstuck.
Says we signed good players and said they may not play and if they do they will be inconsistent.
Ramsey has hinted and we've all seen we are trying to play differently, more players to come in and already better players here, I think we will finish higher than last season, how much is hard to know yet!
Ramseys' comments https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...l-way-29673548
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You seem unwilling to accept what plenty of people believe - that last season’s 12th placed finished was extremely fortunate and a false position based on almost all of the key indicators.
I firmly believe City could improve in both attack and defence this season and yet still finish no higher than last season. I think that’s entirely possible as the 12th placed finish was something of a freak occurrence under the circumstances.
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jon1959
I agree with the first two sentences (not the third).
There has been a change in playing style pre-season (bar one game), which the players (including Ramsey) have also spoken about. It seems to be a combination of Bulut changing/evolving and the impact of the new attacking coach. A high press and at times flooding the box - albeit against variable opposition - is different.
But I can't see Bulut wiping away his entire managerial blueprint. Those posters who have studied (!) his style at other clubs all come back to a defensive (negative?) mindset and set up, and we have seen that comes to the top when the results don't come. I hope he is more adaptable than most of us think, but I expect at best baby steps in the direction most of us would like to see as standard.
I have this nagging doubt regarding Bulut's understanding of the sheer competitiveness of the Championship. Does he think he's improving a 12th placed squad which logically would suggest a higher finish this season ? I'd like to think he's pragmatic enough to acknowledge along with most of us that we're far from that. I also earnestly hope that he isn't going to rely on a slow build up from the back - confronted with 11 players in front of us we certainly don't have the skill or sharpness to break them down. We'll soon find out !
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The Lone Gunman
If the markets were based on that logic, City would be ranked in the bookies’ lists above the likes of Luton, Watford, QPR, Millwall and Swansea, but they’re not.
Do you reckon more people bet in these markets on teams like QPR or Swansea than bet on Cardiff?
It doesn't depend on anyone's reckoning it depends on what has been placed in bets. Neither of us know whether Luton, Watford, OPR, Millwall or Swansea have had more or less bets placed on them compared to Cardiff, but I don't accept that the number of bets doesn't affect the betting price.
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NinianKnight
It doesn't depend on anyone's reckoning it depends on what has been placed in bets. Neither of us know whether Luton, Watford, OPR, Millwall or Swansea have had more or less bets placed on them compared to Cardiff, but I don't accept that the number of bets doesn't affect the betting price.
How do you think a betting market is formed in the first place? Before anyone has placed a bet?
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I think 66/1 to win it and 18/1 for promotion are fair odds.
I just think Portsmouth Derby Sheff Weds Swansea Blackburn QPR should be of similar or worse.
The 7/2 on relegation though seems very harsh. They clearly don't fancy us and don't want bets on us.
I wouldn't be betting on us in any market.
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Carl Dale's Mole
Here come the podcasts' predictions.
Not The Top 20 Podcast has us in 18th. They talk about how bad we were creating chances from open play and how little football will be played by Ramsey, Chambers and Willock because of their injury history:
https://youtu.be/GGXAQjJII3Y?si=3uPO9m8M4alSCTYd&t=1560
Really find it hard to argue with any of that. We seem to be holding out a lot of hope certain players stay fit and almost every attacker we have finds that impossible to do
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The Racing Post's verdict is in:
17th - Cardiff City - Twelfth place last season was a significant step forward for Cardiff, who had narrowly staved off relegation in 2022/23, but some of the underlying statistics were not great with 70 goals conceded and a goal difference of minus 17. The Bluebirds have been fairly quiet in the transfer market and may regress.
The Post's predictions for the top 8:
1st - Burnley
2nd - Leeds Utd
3rd - Middlesbrough
4th - Norwich City
5th - Coventry City
6th - West Brom
7th - Luton Town
8th - Bristol City
The bottom six:
19th - Sunderland
20th - Derby County
21st - Portsmouth
22nd - Blackburn Rovers
23rd - Oxford United
24th - Plymouth Argyle
Their best bet recommendations:
Burnley to win the title @ 8/1
Middlesbrough to be promoted @ 7/2
Plymouth to be relegated @ 9/4
Blackburn to be relegated @ 4/1
Bristol City to finish ahead of Cardiff, Plymouth and Swansea @ 9/4
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The Lone Gunman
The Racing Post's verdict is in:
17th - Cardiff City - Twelfth place last season was a significant step forward for Cardiff, who had narrowly staved off relegation in 2022/23, but some of the underlying statistics were not great with 70 goals conceded and a goal difference of minus 17. The Bluebirds have been fairly quiet in the transfer market and may regress.
The Post's predictions for the top 8:
1st - Burnley
2nd - Leeds Utd
3rd - Middlesbrough
4th - Norwich City
5th - Coventry City
6th - West Brom
7th - Luton Town
8th - Bristol City
The bottom six:
19th - Sunderland
20th - Derby County
21st - Portsmouth
22nd - Blackburn Rovers
23rd - Oxford United
24th - Plymouth Argyle
Their best bet recommendations:
Burnley to win the title @ 8/1
Middlesbrough to be promoted @ 7/2
Plymouth to be relegated @ 9/4
Blackburn to be relegated @ 4/1
Bristol City to finish ahead of Cardiff, Plymouth and Swansea @ 9/4
The Racing Post is soooo negative!
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Carl Dale's Mole
Yep. They’re miles better than the Second Tier podcast imo but fair and balanced doesn’t get you those all important views and listens in today’s world does it!
The Second Tier has us finishing 18th - essentially they think we're going nowhere under Vincent Tan. As that's something I've said in the past, I can hardly have a go at them for that, but I think they're wrong to say that he's not been spending anything - it seems to me that claims our wage budget is in the top six of the division are justified this time unless we sell two or three senior members of the squad soon.
They also tipped Watford for relegation
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the other bob wilson
The Second Tier has us finishing 18th - essentially they think we're going nowhere under Vincent Tan. As that's something I've said in the past, I can hardly have a go at them for that, but I think they're wrong to say that he's not been spending anything - it seems to me that claims our wage budget is in the top six of the division are justified this time unless we sell two or three senior members of the squad soon.
They also tipped Watford for relegation
What’s going on at Watford?!
“Not The Top 20” has them in dead last :yikes:
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Re: The bookies have us finishing 20th ?
Chambers for Phillips
Kanga for Diedhiou
Willock & El Ghazi for Grant & Bowler
Wintle & JWE out
Davies & Bagan back in (for now)
Tsunoda?
Seems like a small upgrade on paper. The new #8 will be crucial.
I think we’ll be in the 9th-12th bracket