Chris Whitty: I worry we overstated danger of Covid at start of pandemic

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Leaked What’s app messages from the Health secretary Matt Hancock stated that Covid was a
“Mild disease”

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I'm sorry, where's this from? Can't seem to find any mention of it

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Why do you and Wales-Bales keep mis-spelling his surname, is it a groupspeak thing?

I see that rather than go to the "source document" you pull another Telegraph distillation as justification. In the transcript I attached it deals with the rationale for declassifying Covid as an HCID at length, you should give it a read, you might learn something!

Whenever you resurrect this topic we end up in the same endless loop. Covid risk overegaggerated, lockdowns too widespread and uneccesary, ppe, testing and social distancing a sham and vaccines a greater risk to life than a benefit.

It's an opinion of course but thankfully there are less impressionable people who hopefully will draw the right lessons from that horrible time!

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Why do you need source documents? :hehe:

Why worry about a typo ?

Just accept you like to be controlled.

If feel I wish to resurrect a post , by you simply replying fuels the endless cycle.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

I'm sorry, where's this from? Can't seem to find any mention of it

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As if anything Matt Hancock published could be believed! If he did indeed publish that the disease was "mild" then I am of the opinion the disease was cataclysmic.

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Entirely predictable that those applying the "I told you so" retrospective did so on a cherry picked quote from hours of Whitty's testimony.

During that time, following harrowing testimony from Professor Fong on the impact of Covid on ICUs, he stated the following:

I think the scale of the second wave was actually under appreciated in the general public. I think people who had relatives, obviously people who were sick fully understood that this was in fact a larger wave, in terms of total numbers of people who were severely ill and indeed who sadly died. And the first two waves were the ones which had the extraordinary mortality in the very large numbers in ICU.

I think the key thing to remember, and I think people forget this, is that this was an exponentially rising – in the technical sense of the term, an exponentially rising thing, where you have – epidemic, with a doubling rate of three to four days at the point we were talking about. Four doubling times more would have led us to an absolutely catastrophic situation.

But for the UK, not for the world, but for the UK, this is a one in 100 years event because the last time there was something this big was back in 1919 – 18-19.

So I’m not certain that loading an additional risk on would in itself be useful. However, I think that the thing which this absolutely blows an absolute hole in, if it need any further, is the arguments for things like the Great Barrington Declaration, that all you need to do is isolate a few people and everywhere else can just carry on with their lives because they are at limited risk. That is obviously not true in this case and those kinds of arguments are not strong ones to advance in any future pandemic unless you can demonstrate it.

https://ukcovid19inquiry.dracos.co.u...sor-sir-whitty

So Whitty spent time emphasising the scale of the epidemic and rubbishing the central tenet of the The Great Barrington Declaration that has been parotted here as the alternative, none of which appeared in The Telegraph Summary.

Even the Headline of this Post is a distortion. What Whitty actually said was,

I still worry actually, in retrospect, about did we get the level of concern right? Were we either overpitching it, so that people were incredibly afraid of something when in fact their actuarial risk was low, or were we not pitching it enough and therefore people didn’t realise the risk they were walking into.

I think that balance is really hard and arguably some people would say, if anything, we overdid it rather than underdid it at the beginning. I’m just saying that there – certainly there is a range of opinions on that.

It used to be that the critical thinkers parotted that they only used "Source Documents" to explore their flights of fancy..........how standards have slipped!

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Thanks Cyril for bringing us all back down to Earth. This should now put a lid on the topic.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Thanks Cyril for bringing us all back down to Earth. This should now put a lid on the topic.

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Why should we put a lid on the topic , when it’s clear from the start it was exaggerated. The discussion makers like many on this board stated that is was exaggerated for years.

The ones who voiced this opinion were trolled beyond belief and it’s great that the same people were probably correct more often than not on the pressing issues like masks,lockdowns, closing schools , clapping for the NHS ( propaganda) , isolation protocols etc etc.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Thanks Cyril for bringing us all back down to Earth. This should now put a lid on the topic.

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It should, but it won’t.

Mistakes were made, some judgements were wrong, but in the first two waves the NHS almost went under.

Still the re-writing of history continues.

Amazingly the selfish twats who didn’t give a toss for the vulnerable (and the younger and non vulnerable who also died in great distress), medical staff and other key workers (often low paid and BAME) now use the arrogance and contempt of entitled selfish twats in government to justify themselves!

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Originally Posted by jon1959

It should, but it won’t.

Mistakes were made, some judgements were wrong, but in the first two waves the NHS almost went under.

Still the re-writing of history continues.

Amazingly the selfish twats who didn’t give a toss for the vulnerable (and the younger and non vulnerable who also died in great distress), medical staff and other key workers (often low paid and BAME) now use the arrogance and contempt of entitled selfish twats in government to justify themselves!

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Sadly you're right of course, not while people have personal crosses to bear.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

As if anything Matt Hancock published could be believed! If he did indeed publish that the disease was "mild" then I am of the opinion the disease was cataclysmic.

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Doesn't seem to be any evidence he actually said that as far as I can tell

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Doesn't seem to be any evidence he actually said that as far as I can tell

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Sorry it was the PM

'Dying from Covid is as big as your risk of falling down stairs'
Boris Johnson had misgivings about the government's shielding advice in discussions with the chief medical officer Prof Sir Chris Whitty. In August 2020 the then-prime minister suggested that if renewed lockdown restrictions were needed over-65s be offered a choice on shielding.
Mr Johnson, addressing Sir Chris in a WhatsApp group on 9 August, said: "If you are over 65 your risk of dying from Covid is probably as big as your risk of falling down stairs. And we don't stop older people from using stairs. What do you think?"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64823096

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Originally Posted by delmbox

Doesn't seem to be any evidence he actually said that as far as I can tell

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It might have been Tony Hancock

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Originally Posted by jon1959

It should, but it won’t.

Mistakes were made, some judgements were wrong, but in the first two waves the NHS almost went under.

Still the re-writing of history continues.

Amazingly the selfish twats who didn’t give a toss for the vulnerable (and the younger and non vulnerable who also died in great distress), medical staff and other key workers (often low paid and BAME) now use the arrogance and contempt of entitled selfish twats in government to justify themselves!

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A quick question. Were you inside a hospital on the weekend of the 6th November2020 when the NHS was in a state of near collapse? If not, where did you get your information from?

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

A quick question. Were you inside a hospital on the weekend of the 6th November2020 when the NHS was in a state of near collapse? If not, where did you get your information from?

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But some vaseline on the ankle tag to stop it chafing.

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

But some vaseline on the ankle tag to stop it chafing.

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T'was a serious question trying ascertain whether eyewitness or hearsay.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

As if anything Matt Hancock published could be believed! If he did indeed publish that the disease was "mild" then I am of the opinion the disease was cataclysmic.

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And yet you believed everything he was saying during the pandemic 😂

You’re opinion is incorrect based on what we now know.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

And yet yoeved everything he was saying during the pandemic 😂

You’re opinion is incorrect based on what we now know.

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No I never believed anything he said before, during or after. 😭😭😭

People have changed their tunes it wasn't long ago most of you wanted Boris hung for having a sausage roll or a meeting in the garden :hehe:

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

People have changed their tunes it wasn't long ago most of you wanted Boris hung for having a sausage roll or a meeting in the garden :hehe:

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If only people could remember what happened yesterday :oh:

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

If only people could remember what happened yesterday :oh:

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HOUSE!

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

No I never believed anything he said before, during or after. ������

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You must be conspiracy theorist :hehe: A person who questions the statements of known liars.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

You must be conspiracy theorist :hehe: A person who questions the statements of known liars.

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Ooh, matron!

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

You must be conspiracy theorist :hehe: A person who questions the statements of known liars.

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I know liars create conspiracies 😭

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

I know liars create conspiracies ��

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:hehe:

Remember Hancock's fake tears live on TV

Yet …….

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

:hehe:

Remember Hancock's fake tears live on TV

Yet …….

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He's a crocodilian like all Tories. I also have acquaintances (I'd never refer to them as friends) who had fake tears for the dead and dying but reserved all their blubber at losing their businesses because of lockdown. How sad! 😂

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

He's a crocodilian like all Tories. I also have acquaintances (I'd never refer to them as friends) who had fake tears for the dead and dying but reserved all their blubber at losing their businesses because of lockdown. How sad! ��

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So just to clarify if someone has a business that employs people with mortgages , young families and the like, shouldn’t they be concerned with the threat of having to make the same people redundant thus putting their families at risk which was a real concern at the time , I’m wondering why you would think this was sad , or you that much of a **** ?

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

So just to clarify if someone has a business that employs people with mortgages , young families and the like, shouldn’t they be concerned with the threat of having to make the same people redundant thus putting their families at risk which was a real concern at the time , I’m wondering why you would think this was sad , or you that much of a **** ?

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I think it's time to invite him out for a beer and a little chat :hehe:

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

So just to clarify if someone has a business that employs people with mortgages , young families and the like, shouldn’t they be concerned with the threat of having to make the same people redundant thus putting their families at risk which was a real concern at the time , I’m wondering why you would think this was sad , or you that much of a **** ?

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No I'm not a **** as it happens! It's all about perspectives! Touched a nerve have we? I thought so!

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

No I'm not a **** as it happens! It's all about perspectives! Touched a nerve have we? I thought so!

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The fact that you brought something up from a few years ago is more a reflection of you. Sounds like you’re one of a few jealous ***** on here that’s all, bless you. But as you say it’s all about perspectives.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

The fact that you brought something up from a few years ago is more a reflection of you. Sounds like you’re one of a few jealous ***** on here that’s all, bless you. But as you say it’s all about perspectives.

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I'm hardly jealous bless you! I haven't got that much to lose. It's all about perspectives of course, and protecting the general populace.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

I'm hardly jealous bless you! I haven't got that much to lose. It's all about perspectives of course, and protecting the general populace.

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You sound like Matt Hancock

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

You sound like Matt Hancock

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Oh I doubt that very much

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Oh I doubt that very much

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Yeh you do , making no sense of reality and following the prescribed script. We are trying to have an adult debate , so be quiet and SHHHHH!

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Yeh you do , making no sense of reality and following the prescribed script. We are trying to have an adult debate , so be quiet and SHHHHH!

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Stupid c**t

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Stupid c**t

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As I say adults are taking , go and play…… shhhhhhhh now

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

As I say adults are taking , go and play…… shhhhhhhh now

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Oh dear. Another thread descends into the behaviour of the playground.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Oh dear. Another thread descends into the behaviour of the playground.

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Nice of you to jump on the juvenile stuff while ignoring the threatening language!

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

:hehe:

Remember Hancock's fake tears live on TV

Yet …….

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Yes shocking and Jonathan Ashworth, and Gethin what a bunch of fannys