Evidence of Extraterrestrial Life could be revealed within the next month

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Well if we use the information God has given us, it would be impossible for there to be sentient life anywhere else - I will address this at the end of this post.
This view won't answer other questions like why the Universe is so incredibly big, but we are now looking at a universe that is post 'the fall' - what it looked like before the fall (detailed in Genesis 3) is anyone's guess?
But while we view all this from a broken world, God's perspective is contained in this comment to first century Christians in Rome in Pauls letter to them, Chapter 8 verse 22 - when we read "We know that the whole creation is groaning together and suffering labour pains up until now".
There is much to unpack from this statement, but from it we can see that the curse didn't only impact this planet, but the entire Creation of God, ie everything!
Now for a moment, let us assume that life forms similar to Vulcans exist somewhere in the Universe; why should they ALSO be impacted by a choice made by the first generation of human beings on this rock that we all now inhabit? That would make no sense at all?
So the fact that "the whole creation is groaning" logically rules out any other similar (or intelligent) life-forms to mankind. If you have any follow up questions on this or any other points, please ask away....

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😱 You cannot be serious Shirley!

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Well if we use the information God has given us, it would be impossible for there to be sentient life anywhere else - I will address this at the end of this post.
This view won't answer other questions like why the Universe is so incredibly big, but we are now looking at a universe that is post 'the fall' - what it looked like before the fall (detailed in Genesis 3) is anyone's guess?
But while we view all this from a broken world, God's perspective is contained in this comment to first century Christians in Rome in Pauls letter to them, Chapter 8 verse 22 - when we read "We know that the whole creation is groaning together and suffering labour pains up until now".
There is much to unpack from this statement, but from it we can see that the curse didn't only impact this planet, but the entire Creation of God, ie everything!
Now for a moment, let us assume that life forms similar to Vulcans exist somewhere in the Universe; why should they ALSO be impacted by a choice made by the first generation of human beings on this rock that we all now inhabit? That would make no sense at all?
So the fact that "the whole creation is groaning" logically rules out any other similar (or intelligent) life-forms to mankind. If you have any follow up questions on this or any other points, please ask away....

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What if god was just thinking "ah well they'll never meet each other". Like having a girlfriend in another postcode.

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Originally Posted by lardy

What if god was just thinking "ah well they'll never meet each other". Like having a girlfriend in another postcode.

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That still doesn't work, why have the WHOLE OF CREATION including their solar system impacted by a lifeform that has (and will have) nothing to do with them?

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

That still doesn't work, why have the WHOLE OF CREATION including their solar system impacted by a lifeform that has (and will have) nothing to do with them?

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But it is fair for every descendant of "the first generation of human beings on this rock" to be impacted by it?

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

That still doesn't work, why have the WHOLE OF CREATION including their solar system impacted by a lifeform that has (and will have) nothing to do with them?

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Other life forms in other parts of the Universe could be "created" differently and by a different "Creator". We might have an infinite number of "Creators" protecting their own patches. The Battle of the Titans so to speak.

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Originally Posted by lardy

But it is fair for every descendant of "the first generation of human beings on this rock" to be impacted by it?

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This is an excellent question. There are two key aspects when we consider this:-

When we look at God in Scripture we see that He is relational, and we are informed that among His many other attributes, "God is Love". Now as we all know, love MUST involve choice, if it doesn't then it is invalid and worthless.
Therefore God had to give mankind a choice to have a relationship with Him or go His own way; like so many others today, who do the Frank Sinatra thing, they did it their way (MY WAY). The consequences were devastating and as promised, death, disease and disasters followed. Now if that were the end of the story then your issue of fairness would be perfectly sound. However in our plight, God launched a rescue Mission. His arrival we remember at Christmas (not His actual birth day - just the official one), and His key Death & Resurrection we remember at Easter. Which meant that He could now legally offer us a way out of the mess: ie the fact that we each have an eternal soul and we are helpless to save ourselves, even if we decide to become religious - NB!
Many verses explain this solution, and how we can enter into the good of it, this one is found in John's Gospel Chapter 1:

(12) But to all who did receive Him (Jesus), who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God, (13) who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Well if we use the information God has given us

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Go on then, please explain what information "god" has given us...

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

This is an excellent question. There are two key aspects when we consider this:-

When we look at God in Scripture we see that He is relational, and we are informed that among His many other attributes, "God is Love". Now as we all know, love MUST involve choice, if it doesn't then it is invalid and worthless.
Therefore God had to give mankind a choice to have a relationship with Him or go His own way; like so many others today, who do the Frank Sinatra thing, they did it their way (MY WAY). The consequences were devastating and as promised, death, disease and disasters followed. Now if that were the end of the story then your issue of fairness would be perfectly sound. However in our plight, God launched a rescue Mission. His arrival we remember at Christmas (not His actual birth day - just the official one), and His key Death & Resurrection we remember at Easter. Which meant that He could now legally offer us a way out of the mess: ie the fact that we each have an eternal soul and we are helpless to save ourselves, even if we decide to become religious - NB!
Many verses explain this solution, and how we can enter into the good of it, this one is found in John's Gospel Chapter 1:

(12) But to all who did receive Him (Jesus), who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God, (13) who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

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Still a load of bunkem.Made up by man to control the masses.

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Originally Posted by jeepster

Still a load of bunkem.Made up by man to control the masses.

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Absolutely correct, and to conceal the real truth

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Absolutely correct, and to conceal the real truth

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Ah, the real truth, which would be....?

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Originally Posted by Alan Lung

Go on then, please explain what information "god" has given us...

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Well there is a book. According to "Guinness World Records Limited 2024" it's not hidden very successfully.....

"The best-selling book of all time is the Christian Bible. It is impossible to know exactly how many copies have been printed in the roughly 1,500 years since its contents were standardized, but research conducted by the British and Foreign Bible Society in 2021 suggests that the total number probably lies between 5 and 7 billion copies".

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Well there is a book. According to "Guinness World Records Limited 2024" it's not hidden very successfully.....

"The best-selling book of all time is the Christian Bible. It is impossible to know exactly how many copies have been printed in the roughly 1,500 years since its contents were standardized, but research conducted by the British and Foreign Bible Society in 2021 suggests that the total number probably lies between 5 and 7 billion copies".

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Harry Potter books are probably selling more copies than the Bible these days and it hasn't had the advantage of being carried around the world by colonial powers over the centuries and accompanied threats of punishment, banishment, persecution and being consigned to hell if it isn't believed.

By the way, your so-called 'God' is unbelievable inefficient. He can't make himself known to everyone he created and tomes and compendiums assigned to him are incredibly diverse. Muslims, Christians and Jews don't believe in the same compendium and have often vilified or killed those whose other schism may be considered as heretic. It's not even that wasy to find a church these days where Adam and Eve, the talking snake and the Noah story are considered more than just parables. I know this as a good friend of mine is a lay preacher. It's so amusing that your god supposedly created man, but man didn't turn out as well-behaved as he should have and that everyone is born a sinner because of supposed events millenia ago caused by others. The minority of the population of the planet are not Christian despite your god's carrot and stick (hell and heaven) and most of the souls he created will burn for eternity in a fiery hell.
It's a hugely laughable stab at omnipotence.

Almost all religions copy stories from religions that went before them, are unable to persuade the rational mind of non-believers (and due to a lack of evidence) and their dogmas are passed on predominantly by indoctrinating children. Not many eskimos sit down and decide to study all religious options and come up with devoting their lives to Shiva - and not many Autralian aborigines decide to dedicate their lives to Shintoism. The Chinese are not predominantly Christian and the population of Israel (and on both sides of the divide) don't believe in your flavour of Abrahamism. You can bet your boots that the default religion of the vast population of the Earth throughout time is one that believers were introduced to as children.

I would imagine that most sales of the Bible have been made by churches and schools by way of indoctrination throughout the centuries. On the other hand, it's highly likely copies of Harry Potter are driven by individual readers and of their own volition.

Mao's Little Red Book was sold by the shedload in China, by the way. I wonder why....

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

I would imagine that most sales of the Bible have been made by churches and schools by way of indoctrination throughout the centuries. On the other hand, it's highly likely copies of Harry Potter are driven by individual readers and of their own volition.

Mao's Little Red Book was sold by the shedload in China, by the way. I wonder why....

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The Gideons bought a few over the years

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Ah, the real truth, which would be....?

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Selective power controlling the masses for selfish gain

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

I would imagine that most sales of the Bible have been made by churches and schools by way of indoctrination throughout the centuries. On the other hand, it's highly likely copies of Harry Potter are driven by individual readers and of their own volition.

Mao's Little Red Book was sold by the shedload in China, by the way. I wonder why....

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You being an evangelist for Harry P!

Not the biggest mystery across the weekend :hehe:

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

You being an evangelist for Harry P!

Not the biggest mystery across the weekend :hehe:

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Never read one of those books nor seen any of the films, old fruit.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Never read one of those books nor seen any of the films, old fruit.

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Rest assured, it's working for the same team as you, just a different department.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Rest assured, it's working for the same team as you, just a different department.

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I actually like this response. However, how would you react if it were confirmed a Type III Kardashian civilisation were discovered in our Galaxy? Would it at least cause you to ponder the philosophical significance of this discovery?

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Rest assured, it's working for the same team as you, just a different department.

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You are extremely narrow-minded.

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I actually like this response. However, how would you react if it were confirmed a Type III Kardashian civilisation were discovered in our Galaxy? Would it at least cause you to ponder the philosophical significance of this discovery?

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Oh definitely, and given the damage Kris, Kourtney, Kim, Khloé, Kendall, and Kylie have done already, I'm sure the UN would need to act very quickly.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Oh definitely, and given the damage Kris, Kourtney, Kim, Khloé, Kendall, and Kylie have done already, I'm sure the UN would need to act very quickly.

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Yes fair point, my bad. I could claim predictive text but it was me with brain fade, sorry. Good response from you though 👍

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGASvVqzOa0

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Yes fair point, my bad. I could claim predictive text but it was me with brain fade, sorry. Good response from you though ��

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I understood the Trek reference too, and as a side issue have loved the franchise since the 1960's.
Who would have thought that the vision of Lucille Ball (of all people) would have made the difference of us knowing or not knowing the world of Star Trek.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

I understood the Trek reference too, and as a side issue have loved the franchise since the 1960's.
Who would have thought that the vision of Lucille Ball (of all people) would have made the difference of us knowing or not knowing the world of Star Trek.

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Yes I didn't realise Lucille Ball was so central to the series's production until I read up about it years later. She was a bit more than a goofy comedienne.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

You are extremely narrow-minded.

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Have you heard of the narrow path and where it leads?

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Wow! It's supposed to coincide with the US Election result.

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On a serious note, do you have a link for this story?

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

On a serious note, do you have a link for this story?

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It's available through Google. Sorry I'm unable to link

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Have you heard of the narrow path and where it leads?

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The religious metaphor of a narrow path exists in Buddhism, Lao Tzu and in African cultures as well as your own, you know.

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Wow! It's supposed to coincide with the US Election result.

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Well, Trump is definitely from another planet.

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The religious metaphor of a narrow path exists in Buddhism, Lao Tzu and in African cultures as well as your own, you know.

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I'll stick with the Name on the lips of theists and skeptics alike, the Christ who confirmed he is the Way, the Truth & the Life.
Narrow yes!

Alive...very much so.
And there's the difference.

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I'll stick with the Name on the lips of theists and skeptics alike, the Christ who confirmed he is the Way, the Truth & the Life.
Narrow yes!

Alive...very much so.
And there's the difference.

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Did the talking snake tell you?

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Did the talking snake tell you?

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Why don't you ask him, he's the architect of your world view?

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

I'll stick with the Name on the lips of theists and skeptics alike, the Christ who confirmed he is the Way, the Truth & the Life.
Narrow yes!

Alive...very much so.
And there's the difference.

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Those last two paragraphs are your belief, there is absolutely no evidence for either statement.
If the bible says something, it has almost certainly been corrupted by mistranslation and "Chinese whispers" down the ages.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

I'll stick with the Name on the lips of theists and skeptics alike, the Christ who confirmed he is the Way, the Truth & the Life.
Narrow yes!

Alive...very much so.
And there's the difference.

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Does he help Elvis in the chip shop?

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

I'll stick with the Name on the lips of theists and skeptics alike, the Christ who confirmed he is the Way, the Truth & the Life.
Narrow yes!

Alive...very much so.
And there's the difference.

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Of Course Mohammed, Buddha and Confucius were mere enlightened mortals. Jesus, on the other hand is God him/her/itself. There's an unfair balance here.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Why don't you ask him, he's the architect of your world view?

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I'm now on the same side of the fence as the talking snake? You certainly believe in any old tosh in your favoured tome. Unbelievably laughable.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Of Course Mohammed, Buddha and Confucius were mere enlightened mortals. Jesus, on the other hand is God him/her/itself. There's an unfair balance here.

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Indeed there is :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Indeed there is :thumbup:

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You are definitely unbalanced

A right wing God botherer


Actually I know loads like you , all good and holy on the outside , down to church every Sunday then ....whoosh ....vote for a right wing conservative party ...and whisper " you can't trust those Muslims you know ...unlike US "

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

The religious metaphor of a narrow path exists in Buddhism, Lao Tzu and in African cultures as well as your own, you know.

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Unsurprising then, for what maybe a universal truth?