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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
It was a pinitol moment, and immediately after that I cancelled my Guardian subscription. I then began triangulating data from multiple sources before applying advanced logic.
The debunking of the Russia collusion hoax was no accident :xmashehe:
*Pivotal
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
I don't mind Lowe and Tice too much, make some interesting points every now and then. It's the other 3 morons they've got in the commons that worry me.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
it appears that reform are on the up in Wales at the moment.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...shell-30319278
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
Heathblue
yeah sadly not surprising, given the demographics they tend to do well with.
I don't think they have anything to offer Wales though.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Rjk
yeah sadly not surprising, given the demographics they tend to do well with.
I don't think they have anything to offer Wales though.
I do think that when the voter is in the booth that the pen will go red especially in Wales, agree they offer very little. One of the big Tory big donors went over to them today and if Musk does start funneling money over to them I can see them being a serious contenders at the next election.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
yeah sadly not surprising, given the demographics they tend to do well with.
I don't think they have anything to offer Wales though.
They held their annual conference in Merthyr didn’t they - think Farage and co are targeting the valleys as a region where they can prosper outside of England. I hear more anti Labour talk than ever up here these days.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
They held their annual conference in Merthyr didn’t they - think Farage and co are targeting the valleys as a region where they can prosper outside of England. I hear more anti Labour talk than ever up here these days.
Farage and Reform launched their manifesto for the last election from the old Gurnos club in Merthyr Bob.
In truth it wasn't well attended but someone has pointed out correctly the demographics may suit the Reform party.
I think local journalists quizzed Farage on the chosen location and venue and the large amounts of European funding it had once received via the EU and the benefits of Brexit to the area, where he promptly responded that it was the Tories fault.
Farage is just a paid agitator soon to be puppet isn't he?
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
Jordi Culé
Farage and Reform launched their manifesto for the last election from the old Gurnos club in Merthyr Bob.
In truth it wasn't well attended but someone has pointed out correctly the demographics may suit the Reform party.
I think local journalists quizzed Farage on the chosen location and venue and the large amounts of European funding it had once received via the EU and the benefits of Brexit to the area, where he promptly responded that it was the Tories fault.
Farage is just a paid agitator soon to be puppet isn't he?
Yes, it was the manifesto launch wasn't it, my mistake. Think you've got Farage right there. In the build up to the American election, I heard Democrats dismissing Trump's chances by saying he only had the votes of 40 to 45 per cent - that seemed a very good point to start from for me and he didn't need to do anything spectacular from that foundation to end up President again. On the other hand, Farage seems to be still around the 30 per cent mark at best and, even with today's far more volatile electorate and our voting system it's hard to see him becoming Prime Minister of a Reform Government unless it was in coalition with the Tories after they'd finished ahead of them in an election.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
Jordi Culé
Farage and Reform launched their manifesto for the last election from the old Gurnos club in Merthyr Bob.
In truth it wasn't well attended but someone has pointed out correctly the demographics may suit the Reform party.
I think local journalists quizzed Farage on the chosen location and venue and the large amounts of European funding it had once received via the EU and the benefits of Brexit to the area, where he promptly responded that it was the Tories fault.
Farage is just a paid agitator soon to be puppet isn't he?
Of course he is on the payroll, just like YL
There is some footage going around of him and Free Gear laughing and joking in Parliament like the best of pals.
All a stage
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
Reform essentially level with Plaid and Labour in the last poll, Tories just behind so essentially a four horse race, although it's only one poll and a long way to go until the 2026 election etc etc etc.
I don't think any party has a particular monopoly on what it offers to anyone or any community and that's certainly the case for the valleys which despite being talked about homogeneously is obviously still a fairly diverse place full of different communities and people.
So Reform definitely don't offer all the answers at all. But I would ask who does? We know what 25 years of Labour in the senedd has done, and we know what the Tories and Labour in Westminster has done. Good and bad in all respects but certainly not a transformation.
We don't really know what Reform or Plaid would do and I can perfectly well understand why people would be curious
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
https://x.com/nigel_farage/status/18...MYptKDilC9fYhA
Reform LEADS for the first time in a national opinion poll.
This is just the beginning.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Saw this earlier. I would certainly vote Reform if there were an election tomorrow.
Funnily enough though, in Wales my position is "anyone but Labour". Thats not just because they have generally let us down for 25 years, but also because Welsh democracy and civic society needs a change. They are too comfortable and too established now.
At a UK level I think Starmer is doing an okay job. He's realizing that governance is far harder than being an activist opposition and I think they've made mistakes but he's a fairly steady pair of hands
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Saw this earlier. I would certainly vote Reform if there were an election tomorrow.
But you've previously stated that you're not a right-winger. How does that tally up?
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
Alan Lung
But you've previously stated that you're not a right-winger. How does that tally up?
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Well perhaps not
The very latest has seen them drop down according to techne
Shame
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
Alan Lung
But you've previously stated that you're not a right-winger. How does that tally up?
But even if he was , is that a problem, afterall you’re dangerous as **** and in the leftwaffe
Im in the left of centre gang is that acceptable :hehe:
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
But even if he was , is that a problem, afterall you’re dangerous as **** and in the leftwaffe
Im in the left of centre gang is that acceptable :hehe:
You should lay off the drugs.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
Alan Lung
You should lay off the drugs.
Truth hurts does it, you’re entertaining though
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
Alan Lung
But you've previously stated that you're not a right-winger. How does that tally up?
Umm, not really bothered about labels when it comes to policies. It's about what works. Immigration has to come down. That will improve things for most working people. Is that right wing? I think we need a change in govt in Wales for democracy reasons. Is that right wing? I believe in socialised medicine, education etc. that's left wing. I believe strongly in society. I am sick of fads about identity politics and think we should focus on our characters not our identities. Is that right wing?
Its quite possible I have never voted for the same party more than twice in a row, and I guess it's their turn.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Umm, not really bothered about labels when it comes to policies. It's about what works. Immigration has to come down. That will improve things for most working people. Is that right wing? I think we need a change in govt in Wales for democracy reasons. Is that right wing? I believe in socialised medicine, education etc. that's left wing. I believe strongly in society. I am sick of fads about identity politics and think we should focus on our characters not our identities. Is that right wing?
Its quite possible I have never voted for the same party more than twice in a row, and I guess it's their turn.
I don't really comment on Welsh politics as I have never lived in Wales but in the context of the UK I think you need to ask yourself why the Tories, who would massively benefit politically from reducing legal immigration, didn't do it.
Rupert Lowes twitter and the reform manifesto 2024 is essentially a list of 'do x, this will cause y' when life is rarely that simple. Immigration is a great example of this, the problem is that when their simple solution is implemented, it doesn't actually do what they said it would primarily because they are looking for sound bites rather than working policies. We introduced a new points based immigration system, which the right of politics were hailing as the magical easy solution that would fix everything for years and years and legal migration sky rocketed.
I work broadly in the sphere of education and SEND so somewhat understand the current challenges. I made a point of reading everyone's manifesto sections on education. Reforms amounted to some culture war red meat stuff about trans people and having a 'patriotic curriculum' and cutting tax on private school fees because this would solve all problems in the state sector. A completely ridiculous over simplification of a really important part of a governments overall responsibilities. My guess is they likely threw that together in about 10 minutes, which leads me to my main point. Political parties need different people who care about different things, reform is essentially a single issue party where everybody's main point of interest is immigration.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
I don't really comment on Welsh politics as I have never lived in Wales but in the context of the UK I think you need to ask yourself why the Tories, who would massively benefit politically from reducing legal immigration, didn't do it.
Rupert Lowes twitter and the reform manifesto 2024 is essentially a list of 'do x, this will cause y' when life is rarely that simple. Immigration is a great example of this, the problem is that when their simple solution is implemented, it doesn't actually do what they said it would primarily because they are looking for sound bites rather than working policies. We introduced a new points based immigration system, which the right of politics were hailing as the magical easy solution that would fix everything for years and years and legal migration sky rocketed.
I work broadly in the sphere of education and SEND so somewhat understand the current challenges. I made a point of reading everyone's manifesto sections on education. Reforms amounted to some culture war red meat stuff about trans people and having a 'patriotic curriculum' and cutting tax on private school fees because this would solve all problems in the state sector. A completely ridiculous over simplification of a really important part of a governments overall responsibilities. My guess is they likely threw that together in about 10 minutes, which leads me to my main point. Political parties need different people who care about different things, reform is essentially a single issue party where everybody's main point of interest is immigration.
Yeah, I'm not a zealot on these things. No party is perfect and Reform are far from it. They are also far from ideal for normal governance but I think our society and economy is poorly and unsustainable and I think they have some answers. But as I say, in Wales this is in part driven by just wanting to see Labour gone, as they have failed the country by almost any measurement you choose to look at.
I think in the last election, Reforms approach was a "contract" not a manifesto. Indeed, I know it was, as I just looked it up again. Plainly it's very thin on the ground and they wouldn't get away with that again. They need far more meat on the bones, but there's not much in the education section I disagree with. Added to what you mentioned is:
Scrapping interest on student loans
Cut funding to universities that undermine free speech
Permanent exclusions for violent students
Universities to provide two year undergraduate courses.
Reality is harder than just writing it down, esp the violent pupils issue, which are symptomatic of wider issues. But the 2 year degree and scrapping interest on student loans are excellent ideas.
As for the Tories and immigration, they totally ****ed up. I think it has to be seen in the context of COVID and brexit and the urgent need for growth and also trying to prove the UK was open etc. But I think everyone now, bar the most laissez faire of liberals agrees that the immigration levels of the last few years are entirely unsustainable.
I don't disagree on the last point. They need to expand what they are talking about, and not just into culture war issues like trans debates etc.
Interesting that you have never lived in Wales btw! City is obviously a family connection?
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Yeah, I'm not a zealot on these things. No party is perfect and Reform are far from it. They are also far from ideal for normal governance but I think our society and economy is poorly and unsustainable and I think they have some answers. But as I say, in Wales this is in part driven by just wanting to see Labour gone, as they have failed the country by almost any measurement you choose to look at.
I think in the last election, Reforms approach was a "contract" not a manifesto. Indeed, I know it was, as I just looked it up again. Plainly it's very thin on the ground and they wouldn't get away with that again. They need far more meat on the bones, but there's not much in the education section I disagree with. Added to what you mentioned is:
Scrapping interest on student loans
Cut funding to universities that undermine free speech
Permanent exclusions for violent students
Universities to provide two year undergraduate courses.
Reality is harder than just writing it down, esp the violent pupils issue, which are symptomatic of wider issues. But the 2 year degree and scrapping interest on student loans are excellent ideas.
As for the Tories and immigration, they totally ****ed up. I think it has to be seen in the context of COVID and brexit and the urgent need for growth and also trying to prove the UK was open etc. But I think everyone now, bar the most laissez faire of liberals agrees that the immigration levels of the last few years are entirely unsustainable.
I don't disagree on the last point. They need to expand what they are talking about, and not just into culture war issues like trans debates etc.
Interesting that you have never lived in Wales btw! City is obviously a family connection?
Dads family are all from north Wales (which means I wouldn't be here anymore if I didn't support Wales at every sport) and then I just randomly decided to support city when I was about 13, not really any memory of how or why, dad watches club football but just supports all the Welsh clubs in a sort of 'slightly hating anything English despite living there most his life' way. Have had a ton of friendly abuse ever since from mates and family about not supporting a local team but I'm pretty confident I can never be called a glory hunter!
The exclusions thing is really difficult, we are (finally...) starting to get some really good live attendance data at work where we can map periods of exclusion, attendance marks leading up to it and then pair that with reduced timetable information. Being naturally cynical, my feeling is that some schools are very trigger happy, not entirely honest etc and data can give an objective idea of what's going on (but missing context). The reality is, the government has a duty to provide them with an education, at a personal level and societal level so I am pretty skeptical of hard talk/absolutist policy when it comes to kids/schools, it usually ends up just costing a lot more and making them feel written off, which if they were saveable is a massive shame. But at the same time, schools have a duty to all their kids so I can see why they give up quickly in certain circumstances.
Also I don't want to break character and start ranting about woke people but the concept/definition of what violence is, has become a debate in itself.
Interest on student loans is the scandal that nobody wants to talk about. Thankfully for me, I went a fair few years ago before fee loans were really a thing (I think fees were like 1200 maybe) but the stories you read of plan 2 loans are shocking, people who have paid back 10+ grand and today owe more than they borrowed.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
Alan Lung
But you've previously stated that you're not a right-winger. How does that tally up?
but you don't know what a fascist is ,you don't know what a nazi is, how do you know what right wing is?
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
I don't really comment on Welsh politics as I have never lived in Wales but in the context of the UK I think you need to ask yourself why the Tories, who would massively benefit politically from reducing legal immigration, didn't do it.
Rupert Lowes twitter and the reform manifesto 2024 is essentially a list of 'do x, this will cause y' when life is rarely that simple. Immigration is a great example of this, the problem is that when their simple solution is implemented, it doesn't actually do what they said it would primarily because they are looking for sound bites rather than working policies. We introduced a new points based immigration system, which the right of politics were hailing as the magical easy solution that would fix everything for years and years and legal migration sky rocketed.
I work broadly in the sphere of education and SEND so somewhat understand the current challenges. I made a point of reading everyone's manifesto sections on education. Reforms amounted to some culture war red meat stuff about trans people and having a 'patriotic curriculum' and cutting tax on private school fees because this would solve all problems in the state sector. A completely ridiculous over simplification of a really important part of a governments overall responsibilities. My guess is they likely threw that together in about 10 minutes, which leads me to my main point. Political parties need different people who care about different things, reform is essentially a single issue party where everybody's main point of interest is immigration.
The current school system is a mess and doesn't prepare children for a job, and most will go through AI anyway. They should be more practical now and prepare some kids to be tradespeople and others to look at future jobs that AI will create. Thats what reform should be looking at changing, it would be a vote-winner to change the education system significantly.
Whats the point of learning how to write an essay these days, when AI can do a better one in five seconds?
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
The current school system is a mess and doesn't prepare children for a job, and most will go through AI anyway. They should be more practical now and prepare some kids to be tradespeople and others to look at future jobs that AI will create. Thats what reform should be looking at changing, it would be a vote-winner to change the education system significantly.
Whats the point of learning how to write an essay these days, when AI can do a better one in five seconds?
He's AI;s version in 1 sec -
The current education system is outdated and fails to adequately prepare students for the realities of the modern job market. With AI set to revolutionise most industries, education reform should focus on two critical areas: practical skills for trades and preparation for the emerging roles AI will create. A system that embraces this dual focus would not only be forward-thinking but also resonate with voters eager for meaningful change in education.
In a world where AI can write essays in seconds, it’s time to question the relevance of traditional skills and prioritise teaching students the capabilities that machines can’t replicate: critical thinking, adaptability, creativity, and hands-on expertise.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
Dads family are all from north Wales (which means I wouldn't be here anymore if I didn't support Wales at every sport) and then I just randomly decided to support city when I was about 13, not really any memory of how or why, dad watches club football but just supports all the Welsh clubs in a sort of 'slightly hating anything English despite living there most his life' way. Have had a ton of friendly abuse ever since from mates and family about not supporting a local team but I'm pretty confident I can never be called a glory hunter!
The exclusions thing is really difficult, we are (finally...) starting to get some really good live attendance data at work where we can map periods of exclusion, attendance marks leading up to it and then pair that with reduced timetable information. Being naturally cynical, my feeling is that some schools are very trigger happy, not entirely honest etc and data can give an objective idea of what's going on (but missing context). The reality is, the government has a duty to provide them with an education, at a personal level and societal level so I am pretty skeptical of hard talk/absolutist policy when it comes to kids/schools, it usually ends up just costing a lot more and making them feel written off, which if they were saveable is a massive shame. But at the same time, schools have a duty to all their kids so I can see why they give up quickly in certain circumstances.
Also I don't want to break character and start ranting about woke people but the concept/definition of what violence is, has become a debate in itself.
Interest on student loans is the scandal that nobody wants to talk about. Thankfully for me, I went a fair few years ago before fee loans were really a thing (I think fees were like 1200 maybe) but the stories you read of plan 2 loans are shocking, people who have paid back 10+ grand and today owe more than they borrowed.
Interest on student loans is the scandal that nobody wants to talk about. Thankfully for me, I went a fair few years ago before fee loans were really a thing (I think fees were like 1200 maybe) but the stories you read of plan 2 loans are shocking, people who have paid back 10+ grand and today owe more than they borrowed.
I agree with this, the problem is, that they are taxing the bright kids who do go on to earn decent money to fund the wasters who go to have a laugh and avoid working for another few years then get a job in a coffee shop and never pay the loan back. Maybe have a lower sliding threshold so everyone has to start paying some of it back.
The courses should be leading to decent jobs, not generic stuff that won't be of any use in the future.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Yeah, I'm not a zealot on these things. No party is perfect and Reform are far from it. They are also far from ideal for normal governance but I think our society and economy is poorly and unsustainable and I think they have some answers. But as I say, in Wales this is in part driven by just wanting to see Labour gone, as they have failed the country by almost any measurement you choose to look at.
I think in the last election, Reforms approach was a "contract" not a manifesto. Indeed, I know it was, as I just looked it up again. Plainly it's very thin on the ground and they wouldn't get away with that again. They need far more meat on the bones, but there's not much in the education section I disagree with. Added to what you mentioned is:
Scrapping interest on student loans
Cut funding to universities that undermine free speech
Permanent exclusions for violent students
Universities to provide two year undergraduate courses.
Reality is harder than just writing it down, esp the violent pupils issue, which are symptomatic of wider issues. But the 2 year degree and scrapping interest on student loans are excellent ideas.
As for the Tories and immigration, they totally ****ed up. I think it has to be seen in the context of COVID and brexit and the urgent need for growth and also trying to prove the UK was open etc. But I think everyone now, bar the most laissez faire of liberals agrees that the immigration levels of the last few years are entirely unsustainable.
I don't disagree on the last point. They need to expand what they are talking about, and not just into culture war issues like trans debates etc.
Interesting that you have never lived in Wales btw! City is obviously a family connection?
Immigration has to be dealt with, we need some but not so much and we need to be selective like Australia, it will never happen though we are doomed.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Interest on student loans is the scandal that nobody wants to talk about. Thankfully for me, I went a fair few years ago before fee loans were really a thing (I think fees were like 1200 maybe) but the stories you read of plan 2 loans are shocking, people who have paid back 10+ grand and today owe more than they borrowed.
I agree with this, the problem is, that they are taxing the bright kids who do go on to earn decent money to fund the wasters who go to have a laugh and avoid working for another few years then get a job in a coffee shop and never pay the loan back. Maybe have a lower sliding threshold so everyone has to start paying some of it back.
The courses should be leading to decent jobs, not generic stuff that won't be of any use in the future.
I take it you would be totally against the idea of free university education. I'm all for it, but agree with you that there are courses that are a total waste of time. Education overall has to be a good thing.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
The current school system is a mess and doesn't prepare children for a job, and most will go through AI anyway. They should be more practical now and prepare some kids to be tradespeople and others to look at future jobs that AI will create. Thats what reform should be looking at changing, it would be a vote-winner to change the education system significantly.
Whats the point of learning how to write an essay these days, when AI can do a better one in five seconds?
It shows you have understanding of a subject.
Also, with regard AI, no-one really has an idea of which direction this will go, so it's going to be very difficult to plan for.
I could talk a lot about education. The basics are missing from so many youngsters because they are not taught in Primary school. We have spent too much time pushing core subjects and introducing too many useless compulsory GCSEs, denying kids more opportunities to take subjects that interest them. Music is my area with education - it's been proved beyond any doubt that music and the arts can play a huge part in a person's overall education. I find that most people who have issues with education don't really know much about it. Things that some people believe should be done or vice versa means bugger all without some sort of educated opinion and knowledge of how things are. Leaving things like education to the general public would be a huge cock up.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
It shows you have understanding of a subject.
Also, with regard AI, no-one really has an idea of which direction this will go, so it's going to be very difficult to plan for.
I could talk a lot about education. The basics are missing from so many youngsters because they are not taught in Primary school. We have spent too much time pushing core subjects and introducing too many useless compulsory GCSEs, denying kids more opportunities to take subjects that interest them. Music is my area with education - it's been proved beyond any doubt that music and the arts can play a huge part in a person's overall education. I find that most people who have issues with education don't really know much about it. Things that some people believe should be done or vice versa means bugger all without some sort of educated opinion and knowledge of how things are. Leaving things like education to the general public would be a huge cock up.
You also have rote learning as opposed to critical thinking and understanding which is why many people are actually quite stupid.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
It shows you have understanding of a subject.
Also, with regard AI, no-one really has an idea of which direction this will go, so it's going to be very difficult to plan for.
I could talk a lot about education. The basics are missing from so many youngsters because they are not taught in Primary school. We have spent too much time pushing core subjects and introducing too many useless compulsory GCSEs, denying kids more opportunities to take subjects that interest them. Music is my area with education - it's been proved beyond any doubt that music and the arts can play a huge part in a person's overall education. I find that most people who have issues with education don't really know much about it. Things that some people believe should be done or vice versa means bugger all without some sort of educated opinion and knowledge of how things are. Leaving things like education to the general public would be a huge cock up.
"It shows you have understanding of a subject."
True :thumbup:
You need to do your homework on AI, it will change the World, and very quickly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk-nQ7HF6k4
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
It shows you have understanding of a subject.
Also, with regard AI, no-one really has an idea of which direction this will go, so it's going to be very difficult to plan for.
I could talk a lot about education. The basics are missing from so many youngsters because they are not taught in Primary school. We have spent too much time pushing core subjects and introducing too many useless compulsory GCSEs, denying kids more opportunities to take subjects that interest them. Music is my area with education - it's been proved beyond any doubt that music and the arts can play a huge part in a person's overall education. I find that most people who have issues with education don't really know much about it. Things that some people believe should be done or vice versa means bugger all without some sort of educated opinion and knowledge of how things are. Leaving things like education to the general public would be a huge cock up.
It needs to shift towards employable skills in high school to keep less academic kids interested. Maybe apprenticeships could start for some kids earlier so they are better prepared at sixteen to become plumbers or carpenters. They should be taught more about finances also Martin Lewis back to basics, on an ISA, a Mortgage, debt etc.
