What secret vote was that ?Quote:
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What secret vote was that ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
TDR , rapist ? and we have established facist just means ''i don't agree with your views''Quote:
Originally Posted by ninian opinian
https://www.sheffieldtribune.co.uk/c...une-newsletter
The big story: CSE report ‘protected senior police officers’, say whistleblowers
Top line: South Yorkshire Mayor Oliver Coppard has demanded to see a report produced by the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) into the actions of senior South Yorkshire Police officers during the Rotherham grooming gang scandal. His demand comes after a Channel 4 News report in which two former IOPC staff said the investigation was seriously flawed and they were discouraged from looking into the actions of senior officers.
Background: Ever since the Jay report concluded in 2014 that failures by South Yorkshire Police contributed to the sexual abuse of 1,400 girls in Rotherham between 1997 and 2013, efforts have been made to find out what went wrong. Set up a decade ago, Operation Linden cost £6 million and reported in 2022. After Hillsborough, it was the second largest investigation that the IOPC or its predecessor the IPCC had ever carried out.
The IOPC carried out 91 investigations into police failings covering 265 separate allegations made by 51 complainants. 47 officers were investigated, with the IOPC concluding eight had a case to answer for misconduct and six for gross misconduct.
However, no officers lost their job as a result of the investigation and the most severe sanction was a written warning. In 2022, Mr Coppard’s predecessor as Police and Crime Commissioner Dr Alan Billings said that in failing to “identify any individual accountability”, the report had “let down victims and survivors”.
Latest allegations: Last week, two whistleblowers involved in Operation Linden spoke to Channel 4 News. They allege that IOPC investigators were specifically told not to probe senior officers’ involvement in the failings and that the inquiry “barely scratched the surface”.
Operation Amazon: Another strand of Operation Linden looked specifically into allegations made by Rotherham CSE campaigner Jayne Senior and former South Yorkshire Police staff member Dr Angie Heal that senior SYP officers had failed in their statutory duties to protect vulnerable children. That investigation, Operation Amazon, upheld their complaint, but the report has never been made public, and Senior and Heal believe it has been deliberately “buried”. It is this report that Oliver Coppard is demanding to be given sight of. Speaking to Channel 4 News on Saturday, Mr Coppard said:
“What I ultimately want is to see the report so I can decide for myself whether that investigation was done properly and effectively and that people in South Yorkshire can have confidence in that work. I have asked them for it and my predecessor asked them for it. They said no to him but I’m hoping they have had a change of heart.”
When Channel 4 News’ Alex Thompson suggested that as the person with responsibility for overseeing the police in South Yorkshire, he should be able to demand to be able to see the report, Mr Coppard replied: “Well, you would think so, wouldn’t you?”
IOPC response: In their response to Channel 4 News, the IOPC strongly refuted the allegations. They said there had been a dedicated investigation team within Operation Linden which was focused solely on senior police officers, and that had they found any indication of corruption, it would have been “rigorously pursued”.
You can't ask that. It's a secret init?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
It is so scary that something as big as this was dismissed so easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Was one of the grooming gangs South Yorkshire Police?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...tation-inquiry
A third former South Yorkshire police officer has been arrested as part of an investigation into child sexual exploitation in Rotherham.
The ex-constable, aged in his 50s, was arrested on Monday on suspicion of raping a teenage girl in the town in 2004.
It follows the arrests late last year of two former South Yorkshire police officers on suspicion of sexual offences and misconduct in public office.
It is alleged their offending took place when the officers, who were based in Rotherham, were both on and off duty between 1995 and 2002.
The Independent Office of Police Conduct (IOPC) said it was investigating complaints from six women of sexual offending by former South Yorkshire police officers.
National Inquiry into grooming gangs announced. Was obvious this was needed for the govt to properly be able to claim they were taking the issue seriously. Shouldn't have taken them so long, but the right decision
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c7872pngj2qo
Good call. I think Starmer has done well actually. lots of noise from idiots like musk and lowe, but he's gone with Casey's recommendation.
I hope the idiots like Lowe sit down and shut up now. But mostly, I hope the ultra radical filth who covered up these events in the first place are exposed and hounded out of society. Young people went through absolute hell, because their lives were deemed as less important than 'community cohesion' . It's a stain upon our country
I don't doubt there was a fair bit of that going on but I do also think people in positions of limited authority have a responsibility to themselves and others to act with morality. It consistently annoyed me how much the 'i knew but nobody would have listened to me' excuse has been used after previous scandals, most memorably for me was the Savile stuff. I don't think 'fear of being branded a racist' should be an excuse for not acting.Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisp_1927
The likelihood is that the inquiry itself will be used as a political wedge issue for some time and that itself isn't helpful. I think a lot of people calling for it have a pretty clear idea of what they want it to conclude which sort of defeats the point of it in the first place because if it doesn't agree word for word with their opinion, it will be dragged through the mud as 'another cover up'.
Hopefully it is left to do it's work well and then accepted by the British public but I won't hold my breath.
The Baroness Casey report is due this week and if it recommends a national Inquiry then I cant see how the government can avoid it and in fairness I am sure many in the govt support it too, but certainly not all have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Anyone who put young girls lives at risk due to concerns over "appearing racist" should never work in social care again. The inquiry will do its work but as society some reflection as to how such a culture was allowed to flourish is also needed
Very much agree. Both in terms of what should happen, and a lack faith in the reaction of sections of the British public.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
This inquiry is turning into a textbook case of how not to do it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwykd173l3vo
I tend to think raking over the coals of victim testimony for an enquiry is a pretty un-objective way of reaching actionable conclusions anyway. There is plenty of meaningful track to cover before you even get to questions about the perpetrators and a lot of the conditions that were in place in these towns are precursors to other CSA/CSE, so this shouldn't be out of scope to draw comparisons. One of the themes is likely to be weak/non-existent family unit, which some people are very keen to talk about when it comes to other discussions, but not so keen here...
I also think the idea that the chair being a social worker/police automatically makes the inquiry 'a cover up' is a pretty disgusting assumption to start with because this essentially smears thousands upon thousands of ordinary well meaning people who are doing a good job with little resource.
Ultimately if I am a victim of a crime this severe and life-wrecking, I would probably want the inquiry to focus on me, and we won't get any meaningful conclusions working like that.
But it probably comes back to what I said earlier in the thread 'A lot of people calling for it have a pretty clear idea of what they want it to conclude, which sort of defeats the point of it in the first place'.
I think you are right about there being multiple factors at play, there's push and pull factors, and unstable home lives is sadly a factor in many such cases. I think the sheer number of cases of grooming gangs and -critically- whether they were covered up and allowed to exist for longer than they should have in some cases, is the root cause to be investigated. The inquiry should focus on that rather than child abuse in general, which has far too many factors to consider really.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
I just think it's a bad look really. It reeks of the authorities being dragged kicking and screaming into trying to get some justice for these women.
Well theres two routes. You pick each individual case to pieces and try and go after people or you look at systemic challenges that are going to be present in lots of CSA cases (like strength of family, strength of CLA arrangements where the LA are the corporate parent, lack of services past 16/18 due to cuts etc, bad practice and lack of managerial oversight/effective checks on casework), then wtf was going on in the police when things were reported (which I have next to zero knowledge about) and finally why were these gangs themselves acting in plain sight for what feels like a long time (lack of trust in authorities from within communities, obv religious/race based attachment that prevented anybody from within the community speaking out). I feel like you need to look at the broader picture to be able to say whether something is a) an issue across the board or b) unique to these cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
As crap as it sounds, the window for individual justice has been and gone probably, it will be like playing whack-a-mole. The focus needs to be on addressing these kind of systemic challenges and strengthening these systems going forward.
The amount of PE money in systems relating to children (social care and SEND) is obscene, outcomes are worse and they spend half their energy suing each other and the state.