Re: When were the laws of the game changed?
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The Lone Gunman
You’re bang on. Fans are incredibly one-eyed these days where officials are concerned and the amount of stick referees and linesmen get at games, on forums like this and in the media is just ludicrous as far as I’m concerned.
It’s something that seems to have increased significantly in recent years. I noticed the difference at the CCS as soon as I became a season ticket holder again in 2022 after a ten-year break. Barely a challenge gets made against a City player these days without fans howling for a free kick or demanding a yellow card no matter how clean the challenge was. While it’s genuinely comical at times, it irritates me more often than not because it’s just so stupid. Meanwhile, almost every match thread will contain complaints about the officials and claims they are the worst we’ve had this season or ever.
Referees and linesmen have always been given stick, but not like it is these days. Fans seem to ignore the glaringly obvious - the fact that almost all professional players are now cheats to a greater or lesser degree. Going to ground after the slightest contact (or no contact at all), feigning injury, continual shirt pulling, blatant time wasting - they all do it, and it’s apparently considered to be OK if one of your team is the guilty party.
The officials have a genuinely thankless task. I’m amazed anyone wants to become a referee in this day and age.
I’m not one eyed on the ‘fouling in the box’ thing. My heart is in my mouth when the opposition has a corner and our lot, Ng, I’m looking at you, are up to it and I’d have no qualms whatsoever should a spot kick be awarded.
Re: When were the laws of the game changed?
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LA Bluebird
OK, so in theory then next season game one we have a game where City lose 6-4 in a game with 10 penalties and obstruction/fouling being called exactly to the rulebook, leading to fouls and stoppages being tripled and a massive decrease in open play. That's something you are perfectly fine with and more importantly you think that is something that most paying City fans want to see?
Yes, if it stops what passes for defending at set pieces these days and, as I keep on saying, clubs would soon get wind of what’s happening and stop the wrestlemania stuff.
Re: When were the laws of the game changed?
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the other bob wilson
Yes, if it stops what passes for defending at set pieces these days and, as I keep on saying, clubs would soon get wind of what’s happening and stop the wrestlemania stuff.
The thing is the likes of you and I aren’t asking for a law change we’re asking for a law to be adhered to, a law that if broken seems to be penalised anywhere else on the pitch.
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splott parker
The thing is the likes of you and I aren’t asking for a law change we’re asking for a law to be adhered to, a law that if broken seems to be penalised anywhere else on the pitch.
You've sort of answered your own question, where on the pitch would you have so many players condensed into such a small area (Defending a 1-0 lead under Warnock doesn't count) I know that it's out of hand, but the two examples in this thread happen at unique moments during a game and aren't generally officiated in the same way general play is.
Re: When were the laws of the game changed?
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the other bob wilson
Just been roused from my slumber by a comment at the Fulham v Man United game that it wasn’t a foul because the player grabbing hold of another player’s arm didn’t have hold of it for long enough :shrug:. A few hours earlier while watching Villa v West Ham, Jamie Carragher said it wasn’t a penalty because the player grabbing an opponent’s shirt did not have hold of it for long enough.
When were the laws of the game amended to read “no offence will have been committed if the player grabbing hold of an opponent or their shirt does not do so for more than x amount of seconds”?
The man handling at set pieces is getting worse and is being referred to varying standards that make it a farce.
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Here's another one. That 6 seconds thing for goalkeepers, is it still in existence? If so, no referee wants to touch it, and i don't blame them, especially at the stage of a game the keeper starts to do it, from about 70 minutes onwards, under the cosh, too much at stake, managers, coaches, arsehole TV pundits and big baby football fans crying all over the internet and phoning Talksport, i don't blame them. And the law is just telling keepers not to take the piss, that's how the game should be, it's not Tennis or golf.
Re: When were the laws of the game changed?
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Tuerto
You've sort of answered your own question, where on the pitch would you have so many players condensed into such a small area (Defending a 1-0 lead under Warnock doesn't count) I know that it's out of hand, but the two examples in this thread happen at unique moments during a game and aren't generally officiated in the same way general play is.
They haven’t got to grab bodies and pull shirts etc though. I think natural buffeting of bodies is inevitable but when hands start grabbing others around the waist etc, the ref needs to step in. Which, very often, he does, wags a finger, then it starts again from the same corner,:shrug: Ridiculous.
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So then another fun thought experiment, when multiple players from both teams do it (as noted above in the Goutas Swansea example) how do you officiate that? Do we pause for 5 minutes while VAR goes frame by frame to decide who did it first?
Re: When were the laws of the game changed?
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LA Bluebird
When I read debates like this I wonder how many people in favor would be on here complaining about the referee breaking up the game/not letting things flow/making it all about him if the game was actually called like they are asking for. OK, eventually players might adapt but do we really want to watch a game with a whistle every 30 seconds for a few years until it happens? Just listen to the crowds reaction when the ref takes a little bit of time to try to sort out some of the shenanigans that happen at a corner these days.
One of the reasons I feel the crowd gets irritated is because they know that when the actual corner comes over they will ignore everything they have just spent 2 minutes lecturing them all about.
Re: When were the laws of the game changed?
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splott parker
Your one sentence, ‘Every corner would end up a penalty’, why not? Perhaps it would at first but hopefully defenders would get the message that assaulting their opponent in the box would result in a spot kick. Anyone else remember that midweek League Cup tie at Anfield a few years back? Their centre back, Skrtel, was assaulting Darren Purse on every occasion, it was plain as day. If a pen had been given first off it may have curtailed him. Instead he was given carte blanche to do as he liked. It’s wrong, and that spoils the game.
That was Fraser Campbell you are thinking of in the famous don’t sack Malky match. We lost 3-1 but should have had at least 3 penalties
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Daland and NG are our worst offenders
Re: When were the laws of the game changed?
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Dave Blue
That was Fraser Campbell you are thinking of in the famous don’t sack Malky match. We lost 3-1 but should have had at least 3 penalties
My mistake, it was Carragher & Aurelio who were manhandling Purse at corners. You’re quite correct, as well, regarding Fraizer Campbell, he took a terrible battering with no protection from the officials.
Re: When were the laws of the game changed?
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Dave Blue
One of the reasons I feel the crowd gets irritated is because they know that when the actual corner comes over they will ignore everything they have just spent 2 minutes lecturing them all about.
This is what I was on about with the ‘finger wagging’, then letting it go again. You’re quite correct, it’s the ref’s weakness that annoys the crowd.
Re: When were the laws of the game changed?
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splott parker
This is what I was on about with the ‘finger wagging’, then letting it go again. You’re quite correct, it’s the ref’s weakness that annoys the crowd.
An analogy for you. Imagine teaching the class with all of the idiots in, you know the one, the kids that would jump out of windows and set fire to things. All of a sudden you start cracking the whip, even though those kids have done what the hell they have liked for years. You start sending then en masse to the headmaster, which ****s his day up, you start getting abuse from the kids, which ****s your day up, you have to get the parents up the school, which ****s everyones day up. Basically, by doing the right thing you cause more problems, not just for yourself, but for everyone involved. Best let the little bastards do what they like and everyone can go home happy. That's probably what a referee feels like at corners and set pieces, a token wag of the finger suits everyone concerned..... As you were so to speak..... :thumbup::hehe:
Re: When were the laws of the game changed?
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Tuerto
An analogy for you. Imagine teaching the class with all of the idiots in, you know the one, the kids that would jump out of windows and set fire to things. All of a sudden you start cracking the whip, even though those kids have done what the hell they have liked for years. You start sending then en masse to the headmaster, which ****s his day up, you start getting abuse from the kids, which ****s your day up, you have to get the parents up the school, which ****s everyones day up. Basically, by doing the right thing you cause more problems, not just for yourself, but for everyone involved. Best let the little bastards do what they like and everyone can go home happy. That's probably what a referee feels like at corners and set pieces, a token wag of the finger suits everyone concerned..... As you were so to speak..... :thumbup::hehe:
Your last sentence sounded like Mr. ‘Joggo’ John:hehe:
Re: When were the laws of the game changed?
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splott parker
Your last sentence sounded like Mr. ‘Joggo’ John:hehe:
Yup, don't i know it. Never mind Frank, Joggo scared the shit out of me, i spent plenty of time in his office (Opposite the hall)
Re: When were the laws of the game changed?
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Tuerto
The game has changed, take a look at a corner from 30 years ago compared to now, there isn't the contact, movement and numbers we see now, and there has always been contact at set pieces, it's impossible for there not to be. Do we really want a game where every little pull, push, arse into players is penalised, because i don't, it would ruin the game, and i'm not talking blatant fouls like the one we saw Tanner commit on Darling for the Goutas goal against the jacks, that should have been a free kick, but he got away with it, good, more power to Tanner. I can't recall you or Bob having a problem with that one. Consistency boys, as we say about referees....... :hehe: :thumbup:
But we all know with that fans consistency is a one way street. :hehe:
Re: When were the laws of the game changed?
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Tuerto
Yup, don't i know it. Never mind Frank, Joggo scared the shit out of me, i spent plenty of time in his office (Opposite the hall)
Big teddy bear was Joggo, Frank was an utter c*nt!
Re: When were the laws of the game changed?
Great example of the way things are at the moment in the Burnley v Leeds game just now (and I’ve only been watching it for a few minutes):
Joe Rodon goes to ground after the slightest touch from a Burnley player and gets a free kick. Don Goodman’s response: “That’s just not a foul. Referees shouldn’t be fooled by things like that.”
No criticism whatsoever of Rodon for a blatant bit of cheating, though.
Re: When were the laws of the game changed?
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The Lone Gunman
Great example of the way things are at the moment in the Burnley v Leeds game just now (and I’ve only been watching it for a few minutes):
Joe Rodon goes to ground after the slightest touch from a Burnley player and gets a free kick. Don Goodman’s response: “That’s just not a foul. Referees shouldn’t be fooled by things like that.”
No criticism whatsoever of Rodon for a blatant bit of cheating, though.
Strange thing is I watched County v Swindon on Friday and there didn’t seem to be anywhere near as much wrestling at set pieces and general cheating involved, but maybe I was just thinking that because I wanted it to be like that?
Burnley 0 Leeds 0, most predictable result of the season so far.
Re: When were the laws of the game changed?
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the other bob wilson
Strange thing is I watched County v Swindon on Friday and there didn’t seem to be anywhere near as much wrestling at set pieces and general cheating involved, but maybe I was just thinking that because I wanted it to be like that?
Burnley 0 Leeds 0, most predictable result of the season so far.
Brighton 0 Everton 1 was a given as well
