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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Cracking they are in a right mess, the fans are going mental.
Grimes exit, sporting director latest and transfers - just what is going on at Swansea City
Swansea City's transfer window has been a deeply frustrating and underwhelming one so far
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...atest-30880530
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There’ll be someone crying on the wireless this weekend I reckon.
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
Cov will be paying close to £3.5m for Grimes , just the structure of the deal to finalise, hardly a steel IMHO
I'm surprised the Blades didn't come in for him.
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FormerlyJohnnyBreadhead
Not really that arsed about what Swansea are doing, but that's surely a massive blow for them, even if he is nearly 30. Especially if he's asked to leave.
He's absolutely integral to the way they play and obviously a massive character in their dressing room - didn't Luke Williams say earlier this season that he lets him do the team talks?
Think it was the QPR game when they won 3-0 with all of the goals coming in the first half.
Thought the manager's inappropriate comments about him being linked with the West Brom job were a minor distraction at first, but it seems to have had a devastating impact on them - I may be wrong, but I don't think Grimes leaves if they weren't made.
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swansea town is falling down :D
no money for signings, players want out, owners draining the club ! only one way they are going :hehe:
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the other bob wilson
Think it was the QPR game when they won 3-0 with all of the goals coming in the first half.
Thought the manager's inappropriate comments about him being linked with the West Brom job were a minor distraction at first, but it seems to have had a devastating impact on them - I may be wrong, but I don't think Grimes leaves if they weren't made.
It could just be as simple as that he’s been offered a large contract with a big signing on fee and he might think it’s the best offer for him as he approaches 30
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Dorcus
So Grimes swims away....
A case of "you always sink when you're swimming". Terrible shame.
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They’ll be fine. They always are. I’m sure they’ll get decent replacements and Grimes is way past his best and I’ve never rated Darling. They have a knack of pulling a couple of rabbits out of the hat
They have constantly harked to our imminent demise which so far hasn’t materialised (though it still might) so I’m not crowing about their current difficulties
Though it is very funny
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Swansea and Grime always seemed a good match.
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Matt Grimes stats compare to Joe Ralls…
Matt Grimes>
Swansea Games: 333
Goals: 16
Assists: 33
Joe Ralls>
Cardiff Games: 403
Goals: 34
Assists: 41
wish our club captain would get a bit more recognition
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Dave St
swansea town is falling down :D
no money for signings, players want out, owners draining the club ! only one way they are going :hehe:
What about the new owners £20 million investment? Or was that the price the hedge fund charged them for dwindling club
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£4m for a decent championship CM who will be 30 in the summer seems a lot to me
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The Lone Gunman
Grimes is a decent 29 year-old Championship midfielder. Who else would you expect to be interested in him at this stage of his career?
Who cares? I just commented that it's not a big move. Which it isn't.
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4m for Grimes is a brilliant price and poor business by Coventry.
If this was the summer I'd say a brilliant deal by Swansea. However they fail to win in their next few games and they are really in the relegation mix and they may regret letting him go.
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Originally Posted by
MOZZER2
Matt Grimes stats compare to Joe Ralls…
Matt Grimes>
Swansea Games: 333
Goals: 16
Assists: 33
Joe Ralls>
Cardiff Games: 403
Goals: 34
Assists: 41
wish our club captain would get a bit more recognition
True words, Moz. Up until we've been able to put Chambers in midfield this season our midfield has always been weaker without Ralls. His record speaks for itself and he has been a fantastic servant of Cardiff City.
StT.
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Originally Posted by
MOZZER2
Matt Grimes stats compare to Joe Ralls…
Matt Grimes>
Swansea Games: 333
Goals: 16
Assists: 33
Joe Ralls>
Cardiff Games: 403
Goals: 34
Assists: 41
wish our club captain would get a bit more recognition
Great post , agree entirely and those stats are pretty good
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
4m for Grimes is a brilliant price and poor business by Coventry.
If this was the summer I'd say a brilliant deal by Swansea. However they fail to win in their next few games and they are really in the relegation mix and they may regret letting him go.
Agree with this too, that seems a very excessive price for him but unless they replace him with somebody who is an established championship midfielder it could cause them some serious issues as they have a thin squad already
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Don Corleone
as they have a thin squad already
Not when that fat c*nt Roger Freestone was in goals for them:hehe:
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splott parker
Not when that fat c*nt Roger Freestone was in goals for them:hehe:
:hehe::thumbup:
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Hopefully they sack their manager and appoint Steven Gerrard.
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TwentyThreeStone as he was commonly known :jamsarnie:
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Wayne Rooney is available
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Harry Paget Flashman
Hopefully they sack their manager and appoint Steven Gerrard.
:popcorn:
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I read a remarkable stat last night:
Since their relegation from the Premier League in 2018, Swansea have played a total of 310 Championship and Championship play-off matches. Matt Grimes has featured in 306 of them (298 starts, 8 sub appearances). He was ever-present in their league starting line-up in 2019/20, 2021/22, 2023/24 and so far this season.
It's fair to say he's going to be a big loss for the Jacks.
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Originally Posted by
MOZZER2
Matt Grimes stats compare to Joe Ralls…
Their respective Championship and play-off appearance stats for the last five and a half seasons (2019/20 to 2024/25):
Joe Ralls - 160 (+29) appearances
Matt Grimes - 258 (+3) appearances
For reference, Callum O'Dowda has made 112 (+34) Championship appearances during the same period.
Ralls has the edge in terms of goals from 2019/20 onwards. He has 15, while Grimes has 9. However, Joe's goals seem to have dried up in recent seasons. He's scored just 3 in the last three and a half seasons (none so far in 2024/25). Grimes has 7 during that period.
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The Lone Gunman
I read a remarkable stat last night:
Since their relegation from the Premier League in 2018, Swansea have played a total of 310 Championship and Championship play-off matches. Matt Grimes has featured in 306 of them (298 starts, 8 sub appearances). He was ever-present in their league starting line-up in 2019/20, 2021/22, 2023/24 and so far this season.
It's fair to say he's going to be a big loss for the Jacks.
Those are indeed quite remarkable stats. It's fair to say he's not the kind who tweaks a hamstring or gets laid low by flu etc.
Who was the last outfield player for us, who was ever-present throughout a season, Whitts maybe?
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Rock_Flock_of_Five
Who was the last outfield player for us, who was ever-present throughout a season, Whitts maybe?
It was in fact as recently as last season - the warrior that is Dimitrios Goutas.
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Quite a loss for them indeed, lets hope it's enough to drag them down.
Matt Grimes this season: (Championship rank)
▪️Touches: 2887 (1st)
▪️Touches in the middle third: 1765 (1st)
▪️Carrying distance: 8855 yards (1st)
▪️Carries: 1818 (1st)
▪️Passes received: 2176 (1st)
▪️Passes completed: 2349 (1st)
▪️Passes into the final third: 248 (1st)
Not sure how reliable the source is.
https://x.com/JLA_FC/status/18845820...peats-again%2F
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The Lone Gunman
It was in fact as recently as last season - the warrior that is Dimitrios Goutas.
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Quite a loss for them indeed, lets hope it's enough to drag them down.
Matt Grimes this season: (Championship rank)
▪️Touches: 2887 (1st)
▪️Touches in the middle third: 1765 (1st)
▪️Carrying distance: 8855 yards (1st)
▪️Carries: 1818 (1st)
▪️Passes received: 2176 (1st)
▪️Passes completed: 2349 (1st)
▪️Passes into the final third: 248 (1st)
Not sure how reliable the source is.
https://x.com/JLA_FC/status/18845820...peats-again%2F
https://www.dai-sport.com/matt-grime...repeats-again/
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North Cardiff Blue
Quite a loss for them indeed, lets hope it's enough to drag them down.
Matt Grimes this season: (Championship rank)
▪️Touches: 2887 (1st)
▪️Touches in the middle third: 1765 (1st)
▪️Carrying distance: 8855 yards (1st)
▪️Carries: 1818 (1st)
▪️Passes received: 2176 (1st)
▪️Passes completed: 2349 (1st)
▪️Passes into the final third: 248 (1st)
Not sure how reliable the source is.
https://x.com/JLA_FC/status/18845820...peats-again%2F
sometimes a statistic tells you more about the playing style of the team than it does about the player.
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Rjk
sometimes a statistic tells you more about the playing style of the team than it does about the player.
True but is shows everything up to now, goes through him.
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North Cardiff Blue
True but is shows everything up to now, goes through him.
Thats a fair point.
It'll be interesting who they look to replace him with
I guess in the short term its Allen and Franco with Ollie Cooper ahead of them, which isn't a total disaster, as I gather that Allen has been generally better than he was against us
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The Lone Gunman
Their respective Championship and play-off appearance stats for the last five and a half seasons (2019/20 to 2024/25):
Joe Ralls - 160 (+29) appearances
Matt Grimes - 258 (+3) appearances
For reference, Callum O'Dowda has made 112 (+34) Championship appearances during the same period.
Ralls has the edge in terms of goals from 2019/20 onwards. He has 15, while Grimes has 9. However, Joe's goals seem to have dried up in recent seasons. He's scored just 3 in the last three and a half seasons (none so far in 2024/25). Grimes has 7 during that period.
Ralls has been a little deeper and less all action over the last few years, no surprise really considering his injury record
In my opinion a good Championship player who is unfairly maligned by some fans
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Rjk
Thats a fair point.
It'll be interesting who they look to replace him with
I guess in the short term its Allen and Franco with Ollie Cooper ahead of them, which isn't a total disaster, as I gather that Allen has been generally better than he was against us
Doesn't Cooper have a long term injury?
I'd stick Cullen as a 10 if I were them, trouble is they'd have to play one of the carthorses they signed in the summer
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City123
Ralls has been a little deeper and less all action over the last few years, no surprise really considering his injury record
In my opinion a good Championship player who is unfairly maligned by some fans
11 of Ralls' 35 Championship goals (which includes 3 for Yeovil) were penalties. All of those penalties were scored between 2016/17 and 2020/21, which has probably skewed the appearance of his scoring stats a bit. His league goals tallies without penalties are as follows:
2011/12 - 1 goal
2012/13 - 0 goals
2013/14 - 3 goals
2014/15 - 2 goals
2015/16 - 1 goal
2016/17 - 3 goals
2017/18 - 3 goals
2018/19 - 0 goals
2019/20 - 5 goals
2020/21 - 3 goals
2021/22 - 1 goal
2022/23 - 1 goal
2023/24 - 1 goal
2024/25 - 0 goals
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
11 of Ralls' 35 Championship goals (which includes 3 for Yeovil) were penalties. All of those penalties were scored between 2016/17 and 2020/21, which has probably skewed the appearance of his scoring stats a bit. His league goals tallies without penalties are as follows:
2011/12 - 1 goal
2012/13 - 0 goals
2013/14 - 3 goals
2014/15 - 2 goals
2015/16 - 1 goal
2016/17 - 3 goals
2017/18 - 3 goals
2018/19 - 0 goals
2019/20 - 5 goals
2020/21 - 3 goals
2021/22 - 1 goal
2022/23 - 1 goal
2023/24 - 1 goal
2024/25 - 0 goals
To be fair the comparison is with Matt Grimes who also takes penalties and corners for them.
I think he's scored 10.
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
11 of Ralls' 35 Championship goals (which includes 3 for Yeovil) were penalties. All of those penalties were scored between 2016/17 and 2020/21, which has probably skewed the appearance of his scoring stats a bit. His league goals tallies without penalties are as follows:
2011/12 - 1 goal
2012/13 - 0 goals
2013/14 - 3 goals
2014/15 - 2 goals
2015/16 - 1 goal
2016/17 - 3 goals
2017/18 - 3 goals
2018/19 - 0 goals
2019/20 - 5 goals
2020/21 - 3 goals
2021/22 - 1 goal
2022/23 - 1 goal
2023/24 - 1 goal
2024/25 - 0 goals
I think its 4 pens for Grimes so 6 or 7 non-penalty goals?
I see why people take pens out but they still need to be scored, Grimes and Ralls quite different styles of players as well though Ralls has moved deeper over the years
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City123
I see why people take pens out but they still need to be scored, Grimes and Ralls quite different styles of players as well though Ralls has moved deeper over the years
I wasn't looking to draw a comparison with Grimes in this instance - I was merely looking at the apparent change in Ralls' scoring rate.
Personally, I don't think it has too much to do with a slight change of position. I believe it's more down to him playing fewer matches through injury and not taking the penalties now, coupled with the team generally being poorer in attack as a unit in recent years.