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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
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Undercoverinwurzelland
I've been thinking for a while that he could thrive in a different league with a different style/pace of game. Maybe Spain or Italy.
Totally agree, I could see him doing really well out in Italy
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
Some great replies . Really interesting how different fans see his game .
Has there been any other players recently for city that divide opinion as much ?
Personally even without an end product he is a joy to watch even though he can be so frustrating .
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
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Kerkyra Blue
Some great replies . Really interesting how different fans see his game .
Has there been any other players recently for city that divide opinion as much ?
Personally even without an end product he is a joy to watch even though he can be so frustrating .
Maybe Peter Whittingham and McPhail, although the debate about Colwill is different in my opinion, the latter two were accused of being lazy, luxury players etc by some fans if memory serves. It's always players with natural ability.
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
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Kerkyra Blue
Has there been any other players recently for city that divide opinion as much ?
I don’t think so. But one thing I can guarantee is we haven’t had a player during my many years of following the club who has so much crazy stuff written about him by City supporters.
When compared to what Colwill has actually produced so far, some of the things said about him are truly bonkers.
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
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Tuerto
Maybe Peter Whittingham and McPhail, although the debate about Colwill is different in my opinion, the latter two were accused of being lazy, luxury players etc by some fans if memory serves. It's always players with natural ability.
Lazy luxury players.? ? Whitts , Mcphail stats are completely off the scale in goals and assists.
Anybody saying Whitts is a luxury player with his stats is a lunatic.😂
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
And here we are. Most will agree he's had a good game against a top side there are great reviews about him and still our own fans in a truly awful season want to highlight the negativity.
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
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Hilts
And here we are. Most will agree he's had a good game against a top side there are great reviews about him and still our own fans in a truly awful season want to highlight the negativity.
What a lazy and dismissive response to what has been a really good thread, well mannered, people just giving their thoughts and opinions.
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
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Hilts
Lazy luxury players.? ? Whitts , Mcphail stats are completely off the scale in goals and assists.
Anybody saying Whitts is a luxury player with his stats is a lunatic.��
Yes, Whittingham and Mc phail (especially Mc Phail) got heaps of criticism on here.
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
Premier League players show more consistency. I think he could get there, but he needs to start doing it week in and week out. I think he has a good chance. He's got the natural ability. He needs to develop the other 50% of work rate and consistency.
I had a jack ex colleague text yesterday watching on TV and he said that Colwill is brilliant.
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
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Father Dougal
Based on his social media posts he's applying for a place in the trump cabinet.
Don’t you mean Trumpski?
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...-away-31109178
Swansea fans I know also don't get the Colwill negativity in our support.
Maybe we just as a fan base love the Gareth Stoker types?
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
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Jimmy the Jock
Why would you think that ?
We are playing a much more open style these days, which should suit him ?
Just sometimes that a different club with different coaches and systems can help a player push on, I think if he stays here he'll always be 1 great game, several mediocre ones. Would be gutted if he left though, he's a player that I'm still excited to watch
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
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Hilts
Maybe we just as a fan base love the end product.
I love Colwill, I am a fully paid up member of his fan club but he doesn't do enough. If, as it appeared last night, he can play deeper and not run out of grass etc with the game ahead of him, he might do better.
Rubin has scored 7 goals in 127 Championship appearances. Aden Flint scored 10 in 86 games for us.
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
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Pedro de la Rosa
Rubin has scored 7 goals in 127 Championship appearances.
Perhaps more importantly, five of those goals came in his first full season (2021/22). His league goals since then:
2022/23 - 0
2023/24 - 1
2924/25 - 1
I wonder how fans of other clubs (and especially the Jacks) would react if a player who was regarded as their most talented youngster produced stats like those?
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
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The Lone Gunman
Perhaps more importantly, five of those goals came in his first full season (2021/22). His league goals since then:
2022/23 - 0
2023/24 - 1
2924/25 - 1
I wonder how fans of other clubs (and especially the Jacks) would react if a player who was regarded as their most talented youngster produced stats like those?
More impressive he'll have a 900 year career :hehe:
I think he needs to move back, he's got so much talent but I wonder if he's got enough between the ears.
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
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Hilts
Yes they fear him and Tanner, I suppose they would after that goal.
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
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North Cardiff Blue
Yes they fear him and Tanner, I suppose they would after that goal.
Just a hunch, I reckon they might fear the bloke who's scored 3 goals against them this season
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
I don't think so.
He's a decent mid Championship midfielder and no more, which lets be honest is great. Its where we want to be at the minimum.
Would love him to kick on and be the next Ramsey but he's miles off that level.
In terms of players that have come through the Cardiff system in the last 20 years he's in the top 5 but that says more about us than him.
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
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Pedro de la Rosa
More impressive he'll have a 900 year career :hehe:
Two goals in 900 years. The sort of record Siopis could only dream about.
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
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Hilts
And here we are. Most will agree he's had a good game against a top side there are great reviews about him and still our own fans in a truly awful season want to highlight the negativity.
Spot on.
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Perhaps more importantly, five of those goals came in his first full season (2021/22). His league goals since then:
2022/23 - 0
2023/24 - 1
2924/25 - 1
I wonder how fans of other clubs (and especially the Jacks) would react if a player who was regarded as their most talented youngster produced stats like those?
They do not have to be a goal scorer to help win a game.Doug Livermoe.Alan Campell did not score alot of goals but were top class.
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
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The Lone Gunman
Two goals in 900 years. The sort of record Siopis could only dream about.
:hehe:
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
Maybe we just as a fan base love the end product.
I love Colwill, I am a fully paid up member of his fan club but he doesn't do enough. If, as it appeared last night, he can play deeper and not run out of grass etc with the game ahead of him, he might do better.
Rubin has scored 7 goals in 127 Championship appearances. Aden Flint scored 10 in 86 games for us.
He didn’t even register a shot Friday. Changing from the ‘let me try a shot from 40 yards because I feel like’ that he used to be.
Rubin is getting better. He is maturing particularly with his decision making.
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
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jeepster
They do not have to be a goal scorer to help win a game.Doug Livermoe.Alan Campell did not score alot of goals but were top class.
The strange thing is that it was those two who got the goals in front of City's biggest ever home league crowd of the last sixty odd years.
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
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jeepster
They do not have to be a goal scorer to help win a game.Doug Livermoe.Alan Campell did not score alot of goals but were top class.
But they had the prolific John Buchanan to score the midfield goals for them.
We have rarely had a pair of classier midfielders than Campbell and Livermore, though.
We really haven't had many goals from our midfielders (or defenders) this season.
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
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jeepster
They do not have to be a goal scorer to help win a game. Doug Livermore. Alan Campell did not score alot of goals but were top class.
Neither were exactly top class while they were with us. They were both heading towards the end of their careers. Very good players who served the club well, but let's not get carried away.
During the Third Division promotion campaign of 1975/76, Livermore did score three league goals - more than Colwill has managed in the last three seasons - and Campbell scored one league goal - the same as Colwill has managed this season.
The thing is, as AA has already mentioned, that midfield also contained John Buchanan (four goals) and winger Willie Anderson (six goals), while Phil Dwyer also scored eight goals while playing either in midfield or at right back. And, most importantly, the team contained two prolific strikers in Tony Evans (21 goals) and Adrian Alston (14 goals).
The role of midfielders like Livermore and Campbell in that City side way back then (75/76, my first-ever full season supporting City) was quite different, with a 4-4-2 formation being employed almost exclusively. It's obviously a different game altogether these days.
One thing I know for certain - if you'd told us at the end of the 2021/22 that Rubin Colwill would only score two league goals in the next three seasons, nobody would have believed you. Of course, he can improve on that record during the next twelve games, but as things stand his goals return has been very disappointing for an attacking midfielder with his level of natural ability.
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
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The Lone Gunman
Neither were exactly top class while they were with us. They were both heading towards the end of their careers. Very good players who served the club well, but let's not get carried away.
During the Third Division promotion campaign of 1975/76, Livermore did score three league goals - more than Colwill has managed in the last three seasons - and Campbell scored one league goal - the same as Colwill has managed this season.
The thing is, as AA has already mentioned, that midfield also contained John Buchanan (four goals) and winger Willie Anderson (six goals), while Phil Dwyer also scored eight goals while playing either in midfield or at right back. And, most importantly, the team contained two prolific strikers in Tony Evans (21 goals) and Adrian Alston (14 goals).
The role of midfielders like Livermore and Campbell in that City side way back then (75/76, my first-ever full season supporting City) was quite different, with a 4-4-2 formation being employed almost exclusively. It's obviously a different game altogether these days.
One thing I know for certain - if you'd told us at the end of the 2021/22 that Rubin Colwill would only score two league goals in the next three seasons, nobody would have believed you. Of course, he can improve on that record during the next twelve games, but as things stand his goals return has been very disappointing for an attacking midfielder with his level of natural ability.
Appreciating that your opinion of Colwill is possibly more negative than positive, where would you rank him in our squad in terms of saleable value? In my opinion he’s first.
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
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StraightOuttaCanton
Appreciating that your opinion of Colwill is possibly more negative than positive, where would you rank him in our squad in terms of saleable value? In my opinion he’s first.
I'd rate him third behind Ashford, who's only 20 and I believe has more potential due to the significant levels of football intelligence he shows, and Robertson, who is a year younger than Colwill and I reckon is potentially more valuable in the long run.
Although it's by no means out of the question, I'd be surprised if anyone would be willing to pay a decent fee for Colwill until such a time as he's nailed down a permanent starting position in the side and has shown he can deliver the goods on a regular basis. At the moment he's far more about raw natural ability than end product, and managers seem to find it difficult to accommodate such players. The six managers he's had at Cardiff certainly have and his international managers haven't seemed overly keen either. Nobody has seemed sure what to do with him.
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
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The Lone Gunman
I'd rate him third behind Ashford, who's only 20 and I believe has more potential due to the significant levels of football intelligence he shows, and Robertson, who is a year younger than Colwill and I reckon is potentially more valuable in the long run.
Although it's by no means out of the question, I'd be surprised if anyone would be willing to pay a decent fee for Colwill until such a time as he's nailed down a permanent starting position in the side and has shown he can deliver the goods on a regular basis. At the moment he's far more about raw natural ability than end product, and managers seem to find it difficult to accommodate such players. The six managers he's had at Cardiff certainly have and his international managers haven't seemed overly keen either. Nobody has seemed sure what to do with him.
They’re also my top 3.. age isn’t a big factor for me though but Ashford would be 3rd.
All 3 I’d rate more valuable than McGuinness though
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
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StraightOuttaCanton
They’re also my top 3.. age isn’t a big factor for me though but Ashford would be 3rd.
All 3 I’d rate more valuable than McGuinness though
I was never a big fan of Mcguiness, i always thought that he could be slow and cumbersome, although he did start performing a lot better and by the end of his stay he was looking more assured. I don't know what has happened to him at Luton though, very odd. Didn't we get 5 million for him? I'm hoping Fish is going to come on a bit now, he's looked decent enough to me, quick to react and all that.
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
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Tuerto
I was never a big fan of Mcguiness, i always thought that he could be slow and cumbersome, although he did start performing a lot better and by the end of his stay he was looking more assured. I don't know what has happened to him at Luton though, very odd. Didn't we get 5 million for him? I'm hoping Fish is going to come on a bit now, he's looked decent enough to me, quick to react and all that.
Most reports at the time of the transfer were saying up to £10 million - but also most said that included add ons that may or may not be triggered. I would guess that Luton getting promoted was one of the add ons in that figure. Doesn't seem likely!
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/ca...%20Town%20move
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
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jon1959
Most reports at the time of the transfer were saying up to £10 million - but also most said that included add ons that may or may not be triggered. I would guess that Luton getting promoted was one of the add ons in that figure. Doesn't seem likely!
https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/ca...%20Town%20move
Hope there’s not a deduction for relegation :frown:
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
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the other bob wilson
The strange thing is that it was those two who got the goals in front of City's biggest ever home league crowd of the last sixty odd years.
Hereford. What a game. What an atmosphere.
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
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Pedro de la Rosa
Just a hunch, I reckon they might fear the bloke who's scored 3 goals against them this season
Of course they fear him too :thumbup:
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Re: Would Rubin Colwill be more suited to a Premiere team ?
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The Lone Gunman
I'd rate him third behind Ashford, who's only 20 and I believe has more potential due to the significant levels of football intelligence he shows, and Robertson, who is a year younger than Colwill and I reckon is potentially more valuable in the long run.
Although it's by no means out of the question, I'd be surprised if anyone would be willing to pay a decent fee for Colwill until such a time as he's nailed down a permanent starting position in the side and has shown he can deliver the goods on a regular basis. At the moment he's far more about raw natural ability than end product, and managers seem to find it difficult to accommodate such players. The six managers he's had at Cardiff certainly have and his international managers haven't seemed overly keen either. Nobody has seemed sure what to do with him.
I'd agree, but does Colwill have a more natural ability?
Either way, in football it's not your only ability; combined with physical strength, stamina, and work rate, it's what you do with all of them consistently.
