Labours stop the shirkers policy

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

I'm not so sure about that. People will have to pay their taxes come what may. Some people will just have to suck it up.

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Mate they wont pay their taxes to the have to pay for healthcare only for others to get it for free on their behalf, esp if those people haven't been in the country long.

Policies like that would be a recipe for a very radical party to come in, or civil discord or both

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You are an idiot

Mentally strong ? U utter fool

If a bloke can go to Iraq and get so ill with what he's seen he need to be in a psychiatric hospital then it can definitely happen to you as you are clearly not as mentally strong ....what a stupid self view ....as him

If you were in a serious car crash , if you were robbed by a Gunman, if you saw your loved ones die then being mentally strong doesn't come into it you idiot

And if you then needed help and support I sincerely hope you would be on a very long waiting list like everyone else

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You do realise that there were World wars and people saw horrendous things, got to the end of the WAR, and cracked on and rebuilt the Country???

Some people are mentally strong and some are not otherwise the NHS couldn't cope because everyone would be in there at once saying they are stressed or anxious asking for help.

More people are suffering from taking too much dope than being in the army in Iraq.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Go and play with your mentally strong mind you idiot

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:hehe: How can you play with your mind? :hehe:

The system is open to abuse in its current form.

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Originally Posted by Alfresco

The system is open to abuse in its current form.

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I agree as is the tax system and free bus passes and disabled parking badges

You are a fecking idiot

Many of those who saw horrors in the war came home and ended up dead from suicide or alcohol a few years later from the nightmares and flashbacks

You really are a clown

You could get to 65 , be a big tough guy like you and you are in a serious car crash or your missus drops dead in your arms or your daughter or son snuff it

It's got feck all to do with wether you have a strong mind you ill educated arse wipe

Now feck off and good luck if you lose a leg to cancer , I am sure your mental strength will get you through

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Sludge rattled that he’s going to lose his PIP me thinks

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My bank account is bulging

Just like my pants whenever I look at you

❤️ xx

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

You do realise that there were World wars and people saw horrendous things, got to the end of the WAR, and cracked on and rebuilt the Country???

Some people are mentally strong and some are not otherwise the NHS couldn't cope because everyone would be in there at once saying they are stressed or anxious asking for help.

More people are suffering from taking too much dope than being in the army in Iraq.

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Fecking asshole

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You are a fecking idiot

Many of those who saw horrors in the war came home and ended up dead from suicide or alcohol a few years later from the nightmares and flashbacks

You really are a clown

You could get to 65 , be a big tough guy like you and you are in a serious car crash or your missus drops dead in your arms or your daughter or son snuff it

It's got feck all to do with wether you have a strong mind you ill educated arse wipe

Now feck off and good luck if you lose a leg to cancer , I am sure your mental strength will get you through

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hhhmmm I'm an uneducated ******** that can spell whether :hehe::hehe::hehe:

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Sludge rattled that he’s going to lose his PIP me thinks

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Me thinks he's sh!tting his pants he may have to work.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I agree as is the tax system and free bus passes and disabled parking badges

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They should tighten up on all of those too.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Fecking asshole

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Stop posting your fantasies on here it's the wrong site, this is CCMB :hehe:

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

My bank account is bulging

Just like my pants whenever I look at you

❤️ xx

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You been fleecing grannies again with your cash in hand scams 🤣

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

hhhmmm I'm an uneducated ******** that can spell whether :hehe::hehe::hehe:

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But you can’t spell ‘you’re’. Swings and roundabouts!

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Me thinks he's sh!tting his pants he may have to work.

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I have cash coming out of my arse xx

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Stop posting your fantasies on here it's the wrong site, this is CCMB :hehe:

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This is definitely the right site for arseholes

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

You been fleecing grannies again with your cash in hand scams ��

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My tax record is whiter than a grannies blouse

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Surely we pay into it, through taxation and national insurance etc?

That's how it is supposed to work. You pay in when you can. You get the benefit when you need it. The issues arise when there is a perception people get something for nothing esp when others are struggling etc.

Either way I don't see how the state pension isn't a benefit that we all pay into?

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It is a benefit. You pay the government, they decide how they spend the money you get. It doesn't get saved in an account for you. Benefits aren't bad, all people who are struggling should get them. That's the entire point of the welfare state.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

It is a benefit. You pay the government, they decide how they spend the money you get. It doesn't get saved in an account for you. Benefits aren't bad, all people who are struggling should get them. That's the entire point of the welfare state.

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If people weren't so selfish and greedy they wouldn't give a fish's tit about less fortunate people receiving benefits. But no the selfish always wants more more more and their attitude is b*****ks to the needy among us.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

If people weren't so selfish and greedy they wouldn't give a fish's tit about less fortunate people receiving benefits. But no the selfish always wants more more more and their attitude is b*****ks to the needy among us.

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If Elon Musk and his mates weren't so greedy, we'd be better off. I'd direct my anger at billionaires rather than the rest of us who have been lied to.

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

It is a benefit. You pay the government, they decide how they spend the money you get. It doesn't get saved in an account for you. Benefits aren't bad, all people who are struggling should get them. That's the entire point of the welfare state.

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Exactly.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Exactly.

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Struggling financially yes

But not across the board universal benefits , of any kind , for someone with 5 million in the bank

Thatcher used to say run the country like a business didn't she ? Well whilst she threw money away like confetti at times it's crazy for a country in financial peril to be awarding non means tested benefits to financially secure people wether they are old or not or vulnerable or not

How that system is sorted out is the issue

Labour have utterly screwed this up but it's laughable to hear tory voters quoting the daily mail about financial hardship when the power of the state was used on striking miners in some of the most vulnerable communities across the UK

Those complaining about the poor pensioners were cheering and clapping the Conservative government in 1984

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

If people weren't so selfish and greedy they wouldn't give a fish's tit about less fortunate people receiving benefits. But no the selfish always wants more more more and their attitude is b*****ks to the needy among us.

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Are you talking about your two tier of kier and those who elected him ADE ?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Struggling financially yes

But not across the board universal benefits , of any kind , for someone with 5 million in the bank

Thatcher used to say run the country like a business didn't she ? Well whilst she threw money away like confetti at times it's crazy for a country in financial peril to be awarding non means tested benefits to financially secure people wether they are old or not or vulnerable or not

How that system is sorted out is the issue

Labour have utterly screwed this up but it's laughable to hear tory voters quoting the daily mail about financial hardship when the power of the state was used on striking miners in some of the most vulnerable communities across the UK

Those complaining about the poor pensioners were cheering and clapping the Conservative government in 1984

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Thatcher was 40 years ago Sludge. A tonne of massive social and structural changes since then

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Thatcher was 40 years ago Sludge. A tonne of massive social and structural changes since then

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That's irrelevant

If people are slapping starmer for some of his decisions ....and that's fair enough ...then please don't insult others intelligence because the conservatives were stiffing the country from 1979 to 1997

I mean people are moaning about the care system and energy prices

Who fecking sent those vital areas out to the private sector ?

And the cost of returning it all back so we have decent services ?

Astronomical and never going to happen

A tonne of insane structural changes , to this day screwing up social services for the vulnerable and hiking energy for all

And brought in and lauded by right wing libertarian Adam smith bollocks

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

That's irrelevant

If people are slapping starmer for some of his decisions ....and that's fair enough ...then please don't insult others intelligence because the conservatives were stiffing the country from 1979 to 1997

I mean people are moaning about the care system and energy prices

Who fecking sent those vital areas out to the private sector ?

And the cost of returning it all back so we have decent services ?

Astronomical and never going to happen

A tonne of insane structural changes , to this day screwing up social services for the vulnerable and hiking energy for all

And brought in and lauded by right wing libertarian Adam smith bollocks

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It's definitely not irrelevant. It's like talking about the problems of the 80s and only talking about the second world war.

I wasn't even born but I know the country was in a massive state before she got elected too, so the idea she made it much worse and that's the cause of today's problems is way too simplistic and false.

I said this before. You have often cited a Labour / Green /Liberal ticket as the ideal. It's exactly what Germany had and they just got unceremoniously kicked out cos they failed.

The problems aren't caused by one thing not solved by another and if there is one over-riding cause or solution it most definitely doesn't come from electing a certain party or not

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

It's definitely not irrelevant. It's like talking about the problems of the 80s and only talking about the second world war.

I wasn't even born but I know the country was in a massive state before she got elected too, so the idea she made it much worse and that's the cause of today's problems is way too simplistic and false.

I said this before. You have often cited a Labour / Green /Liberal ticket as the ideal. It's exactly what Germany had and they just got unceremoniously kicked out cos they failed.

The problems aren't caused by one thing not solved by another and if there is one over-riding cause or solution it most definitely doesn't come from electing a certain party or not

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That's just life you're talking about. There will always be problems and issues. Perfection is out of reach. It depends on your outlook and ethics but some solutions are better than others if only on moral grounds.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Thatcher was 40 years ago Sludge. A tonne of massive social and structural changes since then

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The gap between the richest and poorest has been getting bigger since the 80s, so many of our current problems, including what happened in 2008, have their roots in Reaganomics and Thatcher’s “economic miracle”.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

The gap between the richest and poorest has been getting bigger since the 80s, so many of our current problems, including what happened in 2008, have their roots in Reaganomics and Thatcher’s “economic miracle”.

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It's like talking to a monkey with half a brain

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

It's like talking to a monkey with half a brain

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You have experience of this ?

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

You have experience of this ?

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Yes NCB , Pipster

Complete half wits

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

It's definitely not irrelevant. It's like talking about the problems of the 80s and only talking about the second world war.

I wasn't even born but I know the country was in a massive state before she got elected too, so the idea she made it much worse and that's the cause of today's problems is way too simplistic and false.

I said this before. You have often cited a Labour / Green /Liberal ticket as the ideal. It's exactly what Germany had and they just got unceremoniously kicked out cos they failed.

The problems aren't caused by one thing not solved by another and if there is one over-riding cause or solution it most definitely doesn't come from electing a certain party or not

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Thatchers remit was to crush any power the working classes had, and by any means necessary, even if it meant generational unemployment, sickness and benefits, an ideological attack on working people, no more no less. So yeas, plenty has gone on after thatcher, but it could be said that she made such a good job of creating an underclass that those who have succeeded her were taking notes.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

It's definitely not irrelevant. It's like talking about the problems of the 80s and only talking about the second world war.

I wasn't even born but I know the country was in a massive state before she got elected too, so the idea she made it much worse and that's the cause of today's problems is way too simplistic and false.

I said this before. You have often cited a Labour / Green /Liberal ticket as the ideal. It's exactly what Germany had and they just got unceremoniously kicked out cos they failed.

The problems aren't caused by one thing not solved by another and if there is one over-riding cause or solution it most definitely doesn't come from electing a certain party or not

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Yeah but there is a distinction between policies which can be reversed and policies which absolute can't and almost every problem that we face now can be traced back to Thatcher and there is no going back.

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Yeah but there is a distinction between policies which can be reversed and policies which absolute can't and almost every problem that we face now can be traced back to Thatcher and there is no going back.

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Bullseye

The costs to the country of putting social care provision back into state control and the culling of all these energy companies into one or two would be astronomical and screw the country

Thanks Thatcher.....who said to those dumb enough to support it that privatisation would lead to better service to the " customer " ( old lady and her family honouring her wishes to stay at home )

The very same money chasers are now slagging off local councils for not looking after their vulnerable relatives through the daily mail comments page

Look in the mirror , you voted for it

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Yeah but there is a distinction between policies which can be reversed and policies which absolute can't and almost every problem that we face now can be traced back to Thatcher and there is no going back.

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But that's just not true is it. It's the kind of thing they people say cos it's polite in certain circles but it'd just not true. For example, Britain is experiencing the same problems as countries that never had Thatcher are experiencing.

Sorry to say, but "Thatcher" is the kind of thing that left wing people who own their own homes in nice places tend to say to cover their own backs and to avoid awkward discussions about the real issues that face us in 2025 not 1985

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

But that's just not true is it. It's the kind of thing they people say cos it's polite in certain circles but it'd just not true. For example, Britain is experiencing the same problems as countries that never had Thatcher are experiencing.

Sorry to say, but "Thatcher" is the kind of thing that left wing people who own their own homes in nice places tend to say to cover their own backs and to avoid awkward discussions about the real issues that face us in 2025 not 1985

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You are talking bollocks again and typical what about etc

Those who don't vote confecinservative have already shown in less than a year that they can criticise the new government and have done so on here and many other forums

You lot just won't take any bad mouthing of your precious right wing lot at all , ever

It's embarrassing for you , everyone can see it and yet you go on and on

You must think we all came down to earth in the last shower of rain

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

But that's just not true is it. It's the kind of thing they people say cos it's polite in certain circles but it'd just not true. For example, Britain is experiencing the same problems as countries that never had Thatcher are experiencing.

Sorry to say, but "Thatcher" is the kind of thing that left wing people who own their own homes in nice places tend to say to cover their own backs and to avoid awkward discussions about the real issues that face us in 2025 not 1985

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How old were you in 1985? Thatcher, and Reagan, were considered radicals when they were elected in 1979 and 1980 respectively, but their policies are still sticking to tight monetary control policies with direct taxation only rising as a last resort forty years on.

https://academic.oup.com/cje/article/44/2/319/5550923

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

How old were you in 1985? Thatcher, and Reagan, were considered radicals when they were elected in 1979 and 1980 respectively, but their policies are still sticking to tight monetary control policies with direct taxation only rising as a last resort forty years on.

https://academic.oup.com/cje/article/44/2/319/5550923

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Taxes across the board HAVE to be raised to increase funding into the NHS , care , schools , construction

And given the current climate if someone is still insisting on two holidays in the sun or that new car every 3 years on finance then I am afraid it's wake up and smell the coffee

It's absolutely no good in carrying on with this stupid idea that low taxation and cuts can get us through and the NHS for example can still keep going

The conservatives have pushed this nonsense for years and I sincerely hope that it's eventually binned

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

But that's just not true is it. It's the kind of thing they people say cos it's polite in certain circles but it'd just not true. For example, Britain is experiencing the same problems as countries that never had Thatcher are experiencing.

Sorry to say, but "Thatcher" is the kind of thing that left wing people who own their own homes in nice places tend to say to cover their own backs and to avoid awkward discussions about the real issues that face us in 2025 not 1985

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There are loads of middle class people living in nice areas who own their own homes who want higher taxation to pay for the better of the country

It is Thatcher and the no such thing as society bullshit that changed things

It's all about the money in MY pocket with your lot and all this crap about low taxation and tight spending is hogwash .....its all about the individual with post Thatcher Britain

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You are talking bollocks again and typical what about etc

Those who don't vote confecinservative have already shown in less than a year that they can criticise the new government and have done so on here and many other forums

You lot just won't take any bad mouthing of your precious right wing lot at all , ever

It's embarrassing for you , everyone can see it and yet you go on and on

You must think we all came down to earth in the last shower of rain

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No, the reality is there is 40 years of history between the mid-Thatcher period and now that you ignore!

Guaranteed you blame everything on Toshack being sold too!