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Re: Derby County tonight!
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Originally Posted by
Bobby Dandruff
Ok, well firstly this team (or a similar one at least) was good enough to finish mid table last year.
Secondly they were good enough to go on a mini run of decent results as soon as Bulut left.
Thirdly, so many Championship teams that I have seen this year are absolutely terrible, with worse players than ours.
And fourthly, we have got rid of the real rubbish (see Kanga for Salech etc). Whereas we still have some passenger (I’ll leave that to you to decide who) we have a starting XI easily capable of mid table.
Whereas the players aren’t world beaters there are enough players who are good enough for mid table but the manager isn’t and directionless leadership is responsible for not maximising the potential of the players.
The players of course are culpable too but I think that ignoring the fact that we have a very inexperienced manager who has regularly made poor in game decisions that most people can spot straight away is akin to an ostrich sticking its head in the sand.
There you go.
1. You're using your opinion as if you're qioting facts and so I'll do the same and say that last season was a freak in which the stats show us as consistently one of the weakest squads in the division - albeit a weak squad which was able to keep clean sheets, unlike this one.
2. Every side in the Championship goes on a mini run of good results at some time in the season - we've had two decent runs of results followed by the inevitable fall from grace because you cannot expect to have any concerted success when you only keep two clean sheets in twenty seven games.
3. That's your opinion about how poor other teams are. Mine is that we were lucky to beat Millwall, Norwich and Hull while I struggle to think of many we haven't won that we might have - maybe Stoke and Watford.
4. How can we have possibly have a starting eleven "easily capable of mid table?' when we can only keep two clean sheets every twenty seven games? These players aren't as good as you think they are.
In my opinion, Riza made a really big mistake in his third game in charge (Bristol City) and the worst thing about that is there's been few signs that he learned from it. As I mentioned we've had two decent to good spells this season, but, having started so poorly, they've both been followed by bad spells where the same old mistakes are repeated. Riza has made mistakes, but he's not been helped by a squad that keeps on repeating the sort of defensive mistakes I don't believe you can blame managers or coaches for when they keep on happening so regularly (always assuming the coaching staff have tried to sort things out on the training ground).
Having watched us defend for eight months now, it cannot be denied that we're hopeless at it. I also look at this team's character and they wilt too easily, they don't strike me as having the street wise credentials that are needed in this division and they are weak when it comes to basics like set pieces - I think most managers currently in this division would not be able to keep our current squad out of the bottom six.
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Re: Derby County tonight!
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North Cardiff Blue
Derby has massively improved, while Blackburn are in freefall; of course, it's down to the Manager
Last season we spent 6 months in freefall yet you kept your fingers in your ears, wouldn't listen to any reason and wanted Bulut to have a 2 year deal. Now we're supposed to keep taking notice of your opinions? :hehe:
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Re: Derby County tonight!
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
1. You're using your opinion as if you're qioting facts and so I'll do the same and say that last season was a freak in which the stats show us as consistently one of the weakest squads in the division - albeit a weak squad which was able to keep clean sheets, unlike this one.
2. Every side in the Championship goes on a mini run of good results at some time in the season - we've had two decent runs of results followed by the inevitable fall from grace because you cannot expect to have any concerted success when you only keep two clean sheets in twenty seven games.
3. That's your opinion about how poor other teams are. Mine is that we were lucky to beat Millwall, Norwich and Hull while I struggle to think of many we haven't won that we might have - maybe Stoke and Watford.
4. How can we have possibly have a starting eleven "easily capable of mid table?' when we can only keep two clean sheets every twenty seven games? These players aren't as good as you think they are.
In my opinion, Riza made a really big mistake in his third game in charge (Bristol City) and the worst thing about that is there's been few signs that he learned from it. As I mentioned we've had two decent to good spells this season, but, having started so poorly, they've both been followed by bad spells where the same old mistakes are repeated. Riza has made mistakes, but he's not been helped by a squad that keeps on repeating the sort of defensive mistakes I don't believe you can blame managers or coaches for when they keep on happening so regularly (always assuming the coaching staff have tried to sort things out on the training ground).
Having watched us defend for eight months now, it cannot be denied that we're hopeless at it. I also look at this team's character and they wilt too easily, they don't strike me as having the street wise credentials that are needed in this division and they are weak when it comes to basics like set pieces - I think most managers currently in this division would not be able to keep our current squad out of the bottom six.
Finally some sense while lots seem to be losing theirs.
One little point about the bit highlighted.
Over the last 4 seasons only 4 sides have conceded more goals than us across all 4 divisions, that have played all 4 seasons in the league (so any sides in non-league not included). Last season we had the worst defensive record in this division for decades despite keeping 12 clean sheets. In 34 games where we did concede, we let in 70. That was an appalling record, which needed urgent improvement, so we sold our best centre back (McGuinness).
However, one messageboard regular reckoned Warnock would have them keeping clean sheets in 2 weeks :hehe:
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Re: Derby County tonight!
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Last season we spent 6 months in freefall yet you kept your fingers in your ears, wouldn't listen to any reason and wanted Bulut to have a 2 year deal. Now we're supposed to keep taking notice of your opinions? :hehe:
Judge a Manager over a season not ignore the good part and only look at the bad part, 12th is in the top half and the 22nd is in the relegation zone.
I said it's better to keep Bulut, because I didn't trust the morons running the club to pick another YTS apprentice and I was correct to be worried.
You wanted your man, Omer, look where that got us :hehe:
All but relegated with a much better squad :facepalm:
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Re: Derby County tonight!
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Judge a Manager over a season not ignore the good part and only look at the bad part, 12th is in the top half and the 22nd is in the relegation zone.
I said it's better to keep Bulut, because I didn't trust the morons running the club to pick another YTS apprentice and I was correct to be worried.
You wanted your man, Omer, look where that got us :hehe:
All but relegated with a much better squad :facepalm:
If we judge Riza on what he's done this season we would be 16th.
how much better than that is our squad?
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Re: Derby County tonight!
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Finally some sense while lots seem to be losing theirs.
One little point about the bit highlighted.
Over the last 4 seasons only 4 sides have conceded more goals than us across all 4 divisions, that have played all 4 seasons in the league (so any sides in non-league not included). Last season we had the worst defensive record in this division for decades despite keeping 12 clean sheets. In 34 games where we did concede, we let in 70. That was an appalling record, which needed urgent improvement, so we sold our best centre back (McGuinness).
However, one messageboard regular reckoned Warnock would have them keeping clean sheets in 2 weeks :hehe:
In his prime, Neil Warnock would have transformed defenders like Fish, Bagan, Darland, or Goutis into a more cohesive unit. He would likely have deployed traditional full-backs in defence and utilised wingers in their natural positions. If we had a Warnock from five or six years ago, our safety in the league would be assured by now. However, some might then complain about the direct style of play, preferring a more possession-based approach, even if it leads to losses, huge goals against and relegation.
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Re: Derby County tonight!
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Judge a Manager over a season not ignore the good part and only look at the bad part, 12th is in the top half and the 22nd is in the relegation zone.
I said it's better to keep Bulut, because I didn't trust the morons running the club to pick another YTS apprentice and I was correct to be worried.
You wanted your man, Omer, look where that got us :hehe:
All but relegated with a much better squad :facepalm:
Riza isn't my man, stop inventing shit as usual.
However, it is unquestionable that he's done a better job than the guy you wanted here for 2 years.
Might I suggest going on Mastermind - specialist subject: Talking shite.
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Re: Derby County tonight!
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
In his prime, Neil Warnock would have transformed defenders like Fish, Bagan, Darland, or Goutis into a more cohesive unit. He would likely have deployed traditional full-backs in defence and utilised wingers in their natural positions. If we had a Warnock from five or six years ago, our safety in the league would be assured by now. However, some might then complain about the direct style of play, preferring a more possession-based approach, even if it leads to losses, huge goals against and relegation.
So you're backtracking from your claim he'd do it in 2 weeks?
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Re: Derby County tonight!
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Rjk
If we judge Riza on what he's done this season we would be 16th.
how much better than that is our squad?
Loads better, you've taken out the toughest run of games in the season, Sunderland, Burnley away, Swansea away, Boro, Derby away, Leeds, we'd still have been 22nd if he had those games.
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Re: Derby County tonight!
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Eric the Half a Bee
So you're backtracking from your claim he'd do it in 2 weeks?
I reckon he would yes, he did it with most teams he took over around that time you said.
The point is he would have improved us very quickly and got us out of this mess like he did when he came here last time and got promoted the following season.
Your man Riza is more likely to get us relegated two years in a row.
If you think Riza compares favourably with a Warnock in his prime, you should stick to knitting and stop wasting people's time on here that want to discuss football and our relegation fight.
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Re: Derby County tonight!
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Originally Posted by
Bobby Dandruff
Ok, well firstly this team (or a similar one at least) was good enough to finish mid table last year.
Secondly they were good enough to go on a mini run of decent results as soon as Bulut left.
Thirdly, so many Championship teams that I have seen this year are absolutely terrible, with worse players than ours.
And fourthly, we have got rid of the real rubbish (see Kanga for Salech etc). Whereas we still have some passenger (I’ll leave that to you to decide who) we have a starting XI easily capable of mid table.
Whereas the players aren’t world beaters there are enough players who are good enough for mid table but the manager isn’t and directionless leadership is responsible for not maximising the potential of the players.
The players of course are culpable too but I think that ignoring the fact that we have a very inexperienced manager who has regularly made poor in game decisions that most people can spot straight away is akin to an ostrich sticking its head in the sand.
There you go.
Spot on nailed it! :thumbup:
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Re: Derby County tonight!
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
In his prime, Neil Warnock would have transformed defenders like Fish, Bagan, Darland, or Goutis into a more cohesive unit. He would likely have deployed traditional full-backs in defence and utilised wingers in their natural positions. If we had a Warnock from five or six years ago, our safety in the league would be assured by now. However, some might then complain about the direct style of play, preferring a more possession-based approach, even if it leads to losses, huge goals against and relegation.
If you only look back at what Warnock did in his first 18 months or so with us then of course that would be great - nobody would be complaining about the style of football, because it was great to watch - especially at the start of the promotion season.
If you were guaranteed that then there wouldn't be a manager in the division who wouldn't want him.
However that is ignoring everything else that happened.
He filled our squad with ageing players on inflated salaries that weren't good enough.
We completely wasted the parachute payments we had on dross.
I wou;dn't want him anywhere near the side again.
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Re: Derby County tonight!
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Loads better, you've taken out the toughest run of games in the season, Sunderland, Burnley away, Swansea away, Boro, Derby away, Leeds, we'd still have been 22nd if he had those games.
How many points would we need from those games to make a big difference though? we only got 1 and we looked completely abject under Bulut - have people forgotten how toothless we were?
If we had that run of games coming up I would be expecting more than 1 point from them.
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Re: Derby County tonight!
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
1. You're using your opinion as if you're qioting facts and so I'll do the same and say that last season was a freak in which the stats show us as consistently one of the weakest squads in the division - albeit a weak squad which was able to keep clean sheets, unlike this one.
2. Every side in the Championship goes on a mini run of good results at some time in the season - we've had two decent runs of results followed by the inevitable fall from grace because you cannot expect to have any concerted success when you only keep two clean sheets in twenty seven games.
3. That's your opinion about how poor other teams are. Mine is that we were lucky to beat Millwall, Norwich and Hull while I struggle to think of many we haven't won that we might have - maybe Stoke and Watford.
4. How can we have possibly have a starting eleven "easily capable of mid table?' when we can only keep two clean sheets every twenty seven games? These players aren't as good as you think they are.
In my opinion, Riza made a really big mistake in his third game in charge (Bristol City) and the worst thing about that is there's been few signs that he learned from it. As I mentioned we've had two decent to good spells this season, but, having started so poorly, they've both been followed by bad spells where the same old mistakes are repeated. Riza has made mistakes, but he's not been helped by a squad that keeps on repeating the sort of defensive mistakes I don't believe you can blame managers or coaches for when they keep on happening so regularly (always assuming the coaching staff have tried to sort things out on the training ground).
Having watched us defend for eight months now, it cannot be denied that we're hopeless at it. I also look at this team's character and they wilt too easily, they don't strike me as having the street wise credentials that are needed in this division and they are weak when it comes to basics like set pieces - I think most managers currently in this division would not be able to keep our current squad out of the bottom six.
This season's team surpasses last year's in quality but suffers from mismanagement. The issues originate from an inexperienced manager who prioritises attacking play and ball movement. While an attacking approach is commendable, establishing a solid defence is crucial as a foundation.
Relegation isn't always due to the weakest squads; often, it's the result of managers failing to maximise their players' potential.
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Re: Derby County tonight!
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
I reckon he would yes, he did it with most teams he took over around that time you said.
The point is he would have improved us very quickly and got us out of this mess like he did when he came here last time and got promoted the following season.
Your man Riza is more likely to get us relegated two years in a row.
If you think Riza compares favourably with a Warnock in his prime, you should stick to knitting and stop wasting people's time on here that want to discuss football and our relegation fight.
Are you intentionally being a shit? Riza is not my man, let's get that straight. Stop suggesting it and stop acting like a prick.
I also said that Warnock rarely achieved that. Try reading what I write instead of making up things and claiming I've said them.
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Re: Derby County tonight!
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Loads better, you've taken out the toughest run of games in the season, Sunderland, Burnley away, Swansea away, Boro, Derby away, Leeds, we'd still have been 22nd if he had those games.
You don't know that, nobody does.
Once again, please stop claiming things as facts when you don't have a clue.
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Re: Derby County tonight!
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
If you only look back at what Warnock did in his first 18 months or so with us then of course that would be great - nobody would be complaining about the style of football, because it was great to watch - especially at the start of the promotion season.
If you were guaranteed that then there wouldn't be a manager in the division who wouldn't want him.
However that is ignoring everything else that happened.
He filled our squad with ageing players on inflated salaries that weren't good enough.
We completely wasted the parachute payments we had on dross.
I wou;dn't want him anywhere near the side again.
We needed someone like him to ensure our safety. I mentioned him as an example because there were numerous experienced managers available, yet we appointed a coach instead. It's like letting one of the Youth Training Scheme trainees drive the team bus to away games. They might get us there, but there's a higher chance they'd end up in the River Severn trying to cross the bridge.
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Re: Derby County tonight!
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
How many points would we need from those games to make a big difference though? we only got 1 and we looked completely abject under Bulut - have people forgotten how toothless we were?
If we had that run of games coming up I would be expecting more than 1 point from them.
Fair enough, I think one point for Riza would be about right, although he does have Salech and Davies instead of Kanga :hehe:
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Re: Derby County tonight!
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Eric the Half a Bee
You don't know that, nobody does.
Once again, please stop claiming things as facts when you don't have a clue.
I don't think Riza would have done any better, based on his record since, we can't fecking beat Luton even with Alves, Salech and Davies.
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Re: Derby County tonight!
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Are you intentionally being a shit? Riza is not my man, let's get that straight. Stop suggesting it and stop acting like a prick.
I also said that Warnock rarely achieved that. Try reading what I write instead of making up things and claiming I've said them.
You've backed Riza all season, don't drop him now he's struggling, your man Riza needs your backing more than at any time now.
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Re: Derby County tonight!
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Are you intentionally being a shit? Riza is not my man, let's get that straight. Stop suggesting it and stop acting like a prick.
I also said that Warnock rarely achieved that. Try reading what I write instead of making up things and claiming I've said them.
I think at his best those few years around us and Rotherham he was doing just that, Warnock at his prime was a top-firefighting Championship Manager, and that's what we needed not your man Riza.
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Re: Derby County tonight!
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North Cardiff Blue
I think at his best those few years around us and Rotherham he was doing just that, Warnock at his prime was a top-firefighting Championship Manager, and that's what we needed not your man Riza.
The problem is, our record since Riza was appointed has us well above the bottom three.
https://www.twtd.co.uk/league-tables...home-and-away/
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Re: Derby County tonight!
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the other bob wilson
Yes that's been mentioned before and does give us some hope but that has taken out the toughest run of games in the season. Sunderland, Burnley away, Swansea away, Boro, Derby away, and Leeds, I don't think Riza woud have got more than one or two points from them.
On the positive side, we've got goals, good strikers in form, and a good attacking set of midfield/wingers, we just need to get the best from the defence and defensive midfielders, and stop the errors.
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Re: Derby County tonight!
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the other bob wilson
It does make you wonder what people would deem a success for Riza's first season - he took over a side who were completely devoid of any ideas and were rock bottom of the table.
Since taking over we've been inconsistent - and there are definitely issues with the defence - but we've been the 16th best team since he took over.
If this is Riza being hopelessly out of his depth, how much further up the table do people think would be reasonable to expect?
Presumably nobody thinks we should have gone from rock bottom to in the playoffs?
Top half since he took over - that would only be 3 points more than we've got
Top 10 would be 5 points.
Is the difference between hopelessly out of depth and doing a decent job in the circumstances really 5 points?
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The trouble is our best back four isn't a good back four
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Re: Derby County tonight!
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the other bob wilson
The problem with that particular table is that it takes no account of the opposition.
City have thus far won just two away games this season. Those victories were against the teams currently 11th and 9th in the table, while the home victories have come against sides who are currently ranked no higher than 10th.
Based on everything we've seen so far this season, how many extra points do you reckon City would have gained from the first six matches if Riza had also been in charge for those? I think an additional two points is probably optimistic.
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Re: Derby County tonight!
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Rjk
Since taking over we've been inconsistent - and there are definitely issues with the defence - but we've been the 16th best team since he took over.
That's bollocks.
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Re: Derby County tonight!
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Yes that's been mentioned before and does give us some hope but that has taken out the toughest run of games in the season. Sunderland, Burnley away, Swansea away, Boro, Derby away, and Leeds, I don't think Riza woud have got more than one or two points from them.
On the positive side, we've got goals, good strikers in form, and a good attacking set of midfield/wingers, we just need to get the best from the defence and defensive midfielders, and stop the errors.
Riza has beaten Swansea and Derby, and got a draw against Boro. Bulut had a tough start but Derby are garbage and the Championship is proof anyone can beat anyone. We made it harder by having Bulut in charge, who is a dreadful manager and one of the very worst Tan has appointed
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Pedro de la Rosa
Riza has beaten Swansea (H) and Derby (H), and got a draw against Boro (A).
Let's put those results in context....
Under Riza we beat Portsmouth and Hull at home, but lost both of the away games.
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Re: Derby County tonight!
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The Lone Gunman
Let's put those results in context....
Under Riza we beat Portsmouth and Hull at home, but lost both of the away games.
I think Riza is crap but to say we might have got something at the start of the season is not out of this world. Keeping Bulut made a tough job, tougher
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Re: Derby County tonight!
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Pedro de la Rosa
I think Riza is crap but to say we might have got something at the start of the season is not out of this world. Keeping Bulut made a tough job, tougher
I don't disagree with the second part, but based on what we have seen since he took over, how many additional points from the first six fixtures do you think we would have got if Riza had been in charge?
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the other bob wilson
I chose the Jacks at random to look at the records of other sides below us during the period that table covers. In that particular date range, Swansea have played Leeds twice, Sheffield United twice, Burnley twice and Sunderland once. City, meanwhile, have played the top four teams only once each since Riza took over (and lost all four games).
I don't think a table like this has any real merit. If a table was produced that included only the results from equivalent matches against the same opponents (if that makes sense), I doubt City would be 16th.
For instance, City's record in that date range includes a home game against Plymouth but omits a home game against Leeds, while Swansea's record includes a home game against Leeds but omits a home game against Plymouth.
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A further example is that date range includes the results of home games for City against the other four bottom sides - Plymouth, Luton, Hull and Derby.
Swansea's record for the same period only includes a home game against Luton - they are yet to play at home to Plymouth, Hull or Derby.
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Re: Derby County tonight!
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The Lone Gunman
I don't disagree with the second part, but based on what we have seen since he took over, how many additional points from the first six fixtures do you think we would have got if Riza had been in charge?
I think a few, who knows. It's hard to say after the rot set in but I think we'd have got a result in 1 of those games. Again, it's a question we'll never know the answer to but Bulut and Riza are two terrible managers and their appointments, as well as the club's horrendous recruitment has finally caught up with us.
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
The problem with that particular table is that it takes no account of the opposition.
City have thus far won just two away games this season. Those victories were against the teams currently 11th and 9th in the table, while the home victories have come against sides who are currently ranked no higher than 10th.
Based on everything we've seen so far this season, how many extra points do you reckon City would have gained from the first six matches if Riza had also been in charge for those? I think an additional two points is probably optimistic.
Who knows, it’s impossible to tell. Im trying to deal in facts amongst a deluge of opinions. These are all facts.
1. We made the worst start in the history of the club by taking one point in seven games with the last defeat coming while Riza was in charge.
2. We have thirty nine points from thirty three games with Riza in charge - that’s well above the bottom three over that period and equates to something like fifty six points over a season.
3. We have two 1-0 wins all season and have kept two clean sheets in our last twenty seven matches - that last stat in particular is relegation form surely.
4. Forty three goals scored in thirty nine games isn’t great, but forty two from thirty three under Riza is certainly competitive by the low scoring standards of this season’s Championship. - we’re the eighth highest scorers in the division since Riza took over. That comes down to about sixty scored in a season, nothing spectacular, but better than you’d expect from a relegation side.
5. The obvious counter to point 4 is that only Plymouth and Luton have let in more than us since Riza took over from Bulut.
That’s a mixed bag and Im not claiming that Riza has done a great job,far from it. However, I disagree with the argument that we are where we are because of Riza and that this is a squad of players that would be comfortable in mid table were it not for the manager - this squad is weak mentally and physically, ordinary in execution from and ineffective offensively and defensively when it comes to set pieces and clearly not good enough at keeping the ball out of our net. Any manager that kept a team with those weaknesses up after they’d made a club record worst start to a season would be deserving of some credit surely?
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'Kin hell lads! calm down. If i thought you would all be arguing i wouldn't have started the thread :hehe::biggrin:
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the other bob wilson
Who knows, it’s impossible to tell. Im trying to deal in facts amongst a deluge of opinions. These are all facts.
1. We made the worst start in the history of the club by taking one point in seven games with the last defeat coming while Riza was in charge.
2. We have thirty nine points from thirty three games with Riza in charge - that’s well above the bottom three over that period and equates to something like fifty six points over a season.
3. We have two 1-0 wins all season and have kept two clean sheets in our last twenty seven matches - that last stat in particular is relegation form surely.
4. Forty three goals scored in thirty nine games isn’t great, but forty two from thirty three under Riza is certainly competitive by the low scoring standards of this season’s Championship. - we’re the eighth highest scorers in the division since Riza took over. That comes down to about sixty scored in a season, nothing spectacular, but better than you’d expect from a relegation side.
5. The obvious counter to point 4 is that only Plymouth and Luton have let in more than us since Riza took over from Bulut.
That’s a mixed bag and Im not claiming that Riza has done a great job,far from it. However, I disagree with the argument that we are where we are because of Riza and that this is a squad of players that would be comfortable in mid table were it not for the manager - this squad is weak mentally and physically, ordinary in execution from and ineffective offensively and defensively when it comes to set pieces and clearly not good enough at keeping the ball out of our net. Any manager that kept a team with those weaknesses up after they’d made a club record worst start to a season would be deserving of some credit surely?
You've got to be a pretty decent team to recover from 1 point from 21 available, and we're not pretty decent. There may be 3 teams worse than us, but we're always playing catch up and aren't good enough to have that average sort of run that can put you up amongst the 'going nowhere' brigade. It's noticeable that there's a band of mediocrity in this Championship that seems incapable of challenging for the play offs but doesn't get dragged into the relegation battle. That we are in that battle is unfortunate for this squad, who don't have the steel for it, and also a manager who doesn't know how to grind out wins instead of draws and draws instead of defeats. Those teams around us all seem to have woken up and become battle hardened - not something you could tag our squad with.
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Re: Derby County tonight!
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Pedro de la Rosa
Riza has beaten Swansea and Derby, and got a draw against Boro. Bulut had a tough start but Derby are garbage and the Championship is proof anyone can beat anyone. We made it harder by having Bulut in charge, who is a dreadful manager and one of the very worst Tan has appointed
Yes, that's right. Bulut finished 12th with a weaker team, so he must be terrible. It was awful NOT having to worry about which bottom-of-the-table relegation candidate we weren't going to lose to next.
But with Eric's Pep things are so much better, even after the new Manager bounce with all the players backing him and pushing us away, he has successfully dragged us back down with a double over Luton and many more spectacular performances.
We've spent money on a big improvement in players and he's doing an amazing job of trying every possible combination and finding more and new positions to make decent players look shit. He might still fail at relegation if he keeps picking that Salech mind, maybe he could try him as a centre half?
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Re: Derby County tonight!
Arguing over the best manager between Bulut and RIZA is like two bald blokes arguing over a comb.
Utterly pointless. Both are shite and both to blame for us getting relegated this season. Bulut started this shit season rolling with the worst start in the clubs history and the squad he built going into this season, but RIZA had more than enough games to do something about it and was given some good players in the transfer window.
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Re: Derby County tonight!
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
1. You're using your opinion as if you're qioting facts and so I'll do the same and say that last season was a freak in which the stats show us as consistently one of the weakest squads in the division - albeit a weak squad which was able to keep clean sheets, unlike this one.
2. Every side in the Championship goes on a mini run of good results at some time in the season - we've had two decent runs of results followed by the inevitable fall from grace because you cannot expect to have any concerted success when you only keep two clean sheets in twenty seven games.
3. That's your opinion about how poor other teams are. Mine is that we were lucky to beat Millwall, Norwich and Hull while I struggle to think of many we haven't won that we might have - maybe Stoke and Watford.
4. How can we have possibly have a starting eleven "easily capable of mid table?' when we can only keep two clean sheets every twenty seven games? These players aren't as good as you think they are.
In my opinion, Riza made a really big mistake in his third game in charge (Bristol City) and the worst thing about that is there's been few signs that he learned from it. As I mentioned we've had two decent to good spells this season, but, having started so poorly, they've both been followed by bad spells where the same old mistakes are repeated. Riza has made mistakes, but he's not been helped by a squad that keeps on repeating the sort of defensive mistakes I don't believe you can blame managers or coaches for when they keep on happening so regularly (always assuming the coaching staff have tried to sort things out on the training ground).
Having watched us defend for eight months now, it cannot be denied that we're hopeless at it. I also look at this team's character and they wilt too easily, they don't strike me as having the street wise credentials that are needed in this division and they are weak when it comes to basics like set pieces - I think most managers currently in this division would not be able to keep our current squad out of the bottom six.
How is finishing 12th ‘my opinion’? It is a pretty clear fact that I don’t think anyone can dispute.
And how is a team that features player like Robertson, Salech (on current form anyway), O’Dowda, two decent keepers and quite a few others including a much lauded Champions League player (who I actually think is rubbish) not good enough when they have clearly shown in flashes that they are. (taking the lead on 22 occasions but not seeing out the game?)
That is on the manager and the berks who appointed him Robert and pretty much everyone on this board can see that.
