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15-04-25, 16:35
LA Bluebird

Re: Where’s Ramsey

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Originally Posted by Rjk

well he can't exactly magic up a bunch of additional players, he's either starting them or bringing them on, there is nobody else.

he has definitely made some peculiar subs at times, but what manager doesn't? I can recall the same thing being said of many managers over the years.

against Preston the subs he brought on scored both of our goals.

Loads of people criticised the subs against Wednesday, but before they came on Wednesday were dominant and looked like they could score again and afterwards they barely threatened.

Rizas on a hiding to nothing at the moment :hehe:

whatever substitution he makes, or starting lineup some people will hate it and say it's evidence he doesn't know what he's doing.

Part of a managers job, in fact a big part of it, is identifying the way he wants his team to play and having some idea of his best team and then establishing that in training and matches. That way he gets the most out of his squad and they have a clue what they are supposed to be doing. By chopping and changing tactics, starting lineups and throwing players on all over the place out of position, Riza has massively contributed to the shit we're in, IMO.

People say it's evidence he doesn't know what he's doing because he pretty clearly doesn't know what he's doing. The players aren't good enough but equally if you went into work week to week and were working in a totally different group than you were a few days ago and doing a different job in a different way, would you perform to your best you reckon?
15-04-25, 16:46
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Originally Posted by goats

It’s too late, the Luton and Stoke games specifically, have ruined them.

It's not too late. A point where it's too late might yet come, but it's not too late yet
15-04-25, 17:12
Rjk

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

If you segment things, then there will always be successes and positives, even when a player has had a poor game there will be instances where that player may have done alright in a passage of play. We have to look at the whole picture, and it's ultimately failed for Riza up to now. It's his job to devise a way of playing that is affective with the players he has at his disposal, and he has rarely done that. As for the playing staff, well, i've been calling them out for 18 months, and i took some shit over it on here, because standards are low, people are biased or easily pleased. This lot are weak, soft and not very good, and i include the manager in that.

I'm not about to say that Riza has been a success, or that he should be kept on, as I don't think either thing.

I think our problems are larger than Riza and anyone thinking that if we'd just hired a "proper" manager weeks ago this would be fine.

Our defence is very leaky - and Riza inherited Tom Ramasut who is in charge of the defensive organisation
Our set pieces are bad at both ends of the pitch - these are handles by Darren Purse (who was previously the U21 manager) and Gavin Ward the GK coach.

The players seem a quiet bunch, without any real leaders on the pitch. And too many of them are prone to dropping an absolute clanger.

It's possible that another manager would have had more impact, but with the same players and same backroom staff its also possible that we would have had the same major issues.

Also even with all that going on we could easily have been clear by now with a bit of luck here and there, or a bit more mettle shown by the players.
15-04-25, 17:16
Bluebirdman Of Alcathays

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In 2001, with two games to go, Crystal Palace sacked their manager and appointed Steve Kember with the remit of winning those two matches. If they did, they stayed up. And it worked (although both victories were against relegation rivals). So it wouldn't be unprecedented. It doesn't matter though, I doubt our board have Steve Kember's number.
15-04-25, 17:34
Hilts

Re: Where’s Ramsey

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I'm not about to say that Riza has been a success, or that he should be kept on, as I don't think either thing.

I think our problems are larger than Riza and anyone thinking that if we'd just hired a "proper" manager weeks ago this would be fine.

Our defence is very leaky - and Riza inherited Tom Ramasut who is in charge of the defensive organisation
Our set pieces are bad at both ends of the pitch - these are handles by Darren Purse (who was previously the U21 manager) and Gavin Ward the GK coach.

The players seem a quiet bunch, without any real leaders on the pitch. And too many of them are prone to dropping an absolute clanger.

It's possible that another manager would have had more impact, but with the same players and same backroom staff its also possible that we would have had the same major issues.

Also even with all that going on we could easily have been clear by now with a bit of luck here and there, or a bit more mettle shown by the players.

Is Ramasut in charge of the defence?

Riza brought in Richard Shaw as defence coach didn't he?
15-04-25, 17:53
Tuerto

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Is Ramasut in charge of the defence?

Riza brought in Richard Shaw as defence coach didn't he?

And people were praising Shaw up during one of our little purple patches, saying that he must have had some input...... yeah, right.... Riza oversees the whole thing, he makes the calls, never mind Ramasut etc, who i'm sure is equally poor. The biggest problems we have iare poor concentration levels, switching off and decision making, or lack of. If Riza could get this lot of clowns to stop with the basic errors then we may have a chance, although he hasn't been able to do so up until now.
15-04-25, 19:30
Rjk

Re: Where’s Ramsey

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Is Ramasut in charge of the defence?

Riza brought in Richard Shaw as defence coach didn't he?

ramasut in charge of the overall defensive setup I believe, Shaw involved with 1 to 1 coaching with individual players
15-04-25, 20:16
Eric the Half a Bee

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15-04-25, 20:28
tforturton

Re: Where’s Ramsey

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Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays

In 2001, with two games to go, Crystal Palace sacked their manager and appointed Steve Kember with the remit of winning those two matches. If they did, they stayed up. And it worked (although both victories were against relegation rivals). So it wouldn't be unprecedented. It doesn't matter though, I doubt our board have Steve Kember's number.

Even with just four games to go, I still reckon a good, experienced manager could keep us up. Someone with real tactical nous, and solid man-management skills - they could do it. Sadly, we don't have anyone like that, and I can't see Tan rushing out to find anyone either.
It's still possible in other ways, like Derby losing all four of their games, for example, and us scraping the points required to get past them. But judging on recent performances (like taking two points from three games we really should have won) it's not very likely. Still, we live in hope.
15-04-25, 21:29
MacAdder

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15-04-25, 22:14
Father Dougal

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https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...Ramsey%20signs

Everyone's reaction when he signed for those saying they didn't want him to sign etc......
15-04-25, 22:57
B. Oddie

Re: Where’s Ramsey

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Originally Posted by Undercoverinwurzelland

Is it a no lose situation for him though? If we go down then nobody was really expecting anyone to be able to save us in our current state with 4 games to go - if he kept us up he really would be a legend. Plus, he must be frustrated that he's not been able to contribute more on the pitch so this is a chance to put that behind him.

Good point, but it didn't work for Alan Shearer who never went back to management after Newcastle were relegated.
15-04-25, 23:25
Father Dougal

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Originally Posted by B. Oddie

Good point, but it didn't work for Alan Shearer who never went back to management after Newcastle were relegated.

Yep and everyone remembers shearer had those games and failed.

Whether fair or not it's absolutely what people remember and it would be with ramsey. Most football fans of probably never heard of riza. Our relegation would become ramseys.
16-04-25, 02:36
The Lone Gunman

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

Everyone's reaction when he signed for those saying they didn't want him to sign etc......

Everyone’s? Are you sure?
16-04-25, 06:14
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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

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Too easy

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16-04-25, 07:09
Father Dougal

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Everyone’s? Are you sure?

Everyone who commented on the couple of pages of the confirmed ramsey signs post I linked to from summer 2023 yes. It seems to be 100% positive.

(I'm sure other people commented differently in different places or on different forums etc but on the thread about him signing it seems 100% positive.)
16-04-25, 08:06
The Lone Gunman

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

Everyone who commented on the couple of pages of the confirmed ramsey signs post I linked to from summer 2023 yes. It seems to be 100% positive.

(I'm sure other people commented differently in different places or on different forums etc but on the thread about him signing it seems 100% positive.)

There were many, many threads on here before and after Ramsey signed, and plenty of people expressed concerns about his general fitness and his ability to withstand the physical demands of Championship football. I also expressed doubts that his signing would lead to the sort of increased crowds many believed it would (and I got some stick for that).
16-04-25, 08:33
Eric the Half a Bee

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

There were many, many threads on here before and after Ramsey signed, and plenty of people expressed concerns about his general fitness and his ability to withstand the physical demands of Championship football. I also expressed doubts that his signing would lead to the sort of increased crowds many believed it would (and I got some stick for that).

Agreed. However, I was in the club shop a year or so ago getting a new shirt for my boy's birthday. Randomly he wanted Goutas on the back. The young lady in the shop had to check how to spell it first, she'd never done on with his name on before :hehe: . Anyway, she reckoned that when Ramsey signed, there weren't many shirts they did with a name other than Ramsey on them. He helped shit a few shirts at least.
16-04-25, 08:55
A Quiet Monkfish

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Agreed. However, I was in the club shop a year or so ago getting a new shirt for my boy's birthday. Randomly he wanted Goutas on the back. The young lady in the shop had to check how to spell it first, she'd never done on with his name on before :hehe: . Anyway, she reckoned that when Ramsey signed, there weren't many shirts they did with a name other than Ramsey on them. He helped shit a few shirts at least.

Must have been painful..
16-04-25, 09:34
Father Dougal

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

There were many, many threads on here before and after Ramsey signed, and plenty of people expressed concerns about his general fitness and his ability to withstand the physical demands of Championship football. I also expressed doubts that his signing would lead to the sort of increased crowds many believed it would (and I got some stick for that).

https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...t=Ramsey+signs

This a much longer one.
16-04-25, 10:01
The Lone Gunman

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

This a much longer one.

So what are you saying? Everyone was positive about Ramsey coming here, as you first claimed? Or plenty had reservations (as mentioned by others in the thread you've just bumped)?
16-04-25, 10:22
Father Dougal

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

So what are you saying? Everyone was positive about Ramsey coming here, as you first claimed? Or plenty had reservations (as mentioned by others in the thread you've just bumped)?

In the ramsey signing confirmed thread it seems to be 100% positive.

However other threads are available- which are still mainly very positive but some comments broadly positive albeit with reservations.

Most of the reservations were before he signed but once he had signed and for the first few months and up until the Swansea game had a poll been done at that time asking if fans were happy we signed ramsey or should we let him go I think most would have said to keep him at that time.

What I'm saying basically is it depends when you ask the question depending on what responses you get.

I still think although it hasn't worked out we would only have signed someone else shit instead so it doesn't really matter either way.
16-04-25, 14:05
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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

Must have been painful..

:hehe: :hehe:

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