Riza press conference today- the club is divided.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

Those comments about the fans being clueless will become a big issue. It's picking up a lot of social media traction across the UK press.

He will have to do a statement backtracking tomorrow or be sacked.

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https://www.ccfctrust.org/

Trust issue a statement calling riza comments ""disrespectful"

I had a feeling this will really snowball.

Probably suits dalman and Tan though as it's all about Omer now.

I doubt either are clever enough to think of such a PR stroke but getting Omer out there to call the fans clueless would be a genius move to take attention away from them had they thought of it.

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Originally Posted by Garth Blue

I agree with this. I think he has been hung out to dry by the club leadership - happy for someone else to answer the difficult media questions. I know that the season has proved he did not have the experience and perhaps the character to succeed. But there was a brief period when we played some very attractive football and turned around an awful start under Bulut. But from the very beginning, the club has handled the management issue really poorly seeminging just keeping him hanging on a string. His constant tinkering is evidence of his gradual loss of confidence and now we see a broken man. Sad for him, depressing for us and shameful from the club.

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I agree — it's a really unfortunate situation. It seems like Riza may have been promoted before he had the necessary experience or support in place. Without the right level of coaching exposure and mentorship, it's incredibly difficult to succeed at that level. What's particularly tough to watch is how often he's been put in front of the media without any real training — it comes across as unfair and even a little cruel. Others've struggled for years with far more experience, so the expectation placed on him seems disproportionate

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Here's what he said:

"They (the fans) will be there in their numbers. There is a really good core of supporters at this club. That's something I've learnt. They look at the game, don't profess to know everything about the game, but they understand what their main objective is - to support the players no matter what. When you have got fans like that, they are very important to the club and I've seen a lot of them away from home."

I'm amazed anyone has got any sympathy for this condescending clown. His air of superiority is hilarious considering he's clearly as thick as two short planks.

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The signs were absolutely there as soon as bulut left and his bizarre comments about how much he wanted the job and backed himself. Unbelievable arrogance. Extremely unusual approach for someone of his (lack of) pedigree.

When it all went wrong as it was always going to- it was always going to end like this- with him hitting out at everyone apart from himself.

He's been at the players for a while publically now. Maybe understandable but he's on to the fans now. Who's next in his firing line?

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Originally Posted by LA Bluebird

By all accounts a team in the top half of the league in wage bill, transfer spend and agent fees, if the various sources are to be believed.

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Mind you, that doesn't always equate to success. Teams with larger wage bills have gone down from the Championship and other divisions, while sides with more modest ones have been successful. While there's an element of "you get what you pay for" in football, there's much more going on than just the players themselves. For what Tan has spent over the years, we should be nowhere near the bottom of the Championship. This isn't just on Riza, but successive managers, a generally awful record in the transfer market and, most relevantly, a board and owner with the footballing knowledge of a pubic louse with brain damage.

I have a certain amount of sympathy for Riza, not because I think he's any good, but I fear that we've been shoveling water out of our leaky dinghy for years. Riza is in charge of the lifeboat as it's about to capsize. Anyone better might have applied a few more sticking plasters to keep us afloat a little longer, but the end of life in the Championship has been nigh for some time.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Mind you, that doesn't always equate to success. Teams with larger wage bills have gone down from the Championship and other divisions, while sides with more modest ones have been successful. While there's an element of "you get what you pay for" in football, there's much more going on than just the players themselves. For what Tan has spent over the years, we should be nowhere near the bottom of the Championship. This isn't just on Riza, but successive managers, a generally awful record in the transfer market and, most relevantly, a board and owner with the footballing knowledge of a pubic louse with brain damage.

I have a certain amount of sympathy for Riza, not because I think he's any good, but I fear that we've been shoveling water out of our leaky dinghy for years. Riza is in charge of the lifeboat as it's about to capsize. Anyone better might have applied a few more sticking plasters to keep us afloat a little longer, but the end of life in the Championship has been nigh for some time.

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I saw man united spent £660 million under ten haag alone. Yet lower mid table side now. Had they won the league people would say was meaningless as they had bought the league and of course they'd be successful spending that much money.

Similar to cardiff in that however much man u or cardiff spent- both would still be crap.

There's many reasons cardiff are going down- the club spending money on players, wages, agents fees etc is way down the list.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

I saw man united spent £660 million under ten haag alone. Yet lower mid table side now. Had they won the league people would say was meaningless as they had bought the league and of course they'd be successful spending that much money.

Similar to cardiff in that however much man u or cardiff spent- both would still be crap.

There's many reasons cardiff are going down- the club spending money on players, wages, agents fees etc is way down the list.

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Good analogy

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Originally Posted by Garth Blue

I agree with this. I think he has been hung out to dry by the club leadership - happy for someone else to answer the difficult media questions. I know that the season has proved he did not have the experience and perhaps the character to succeed. But there was a brief period when we played some very attractive football and turned around an awful start under Bulut. But from the very beginning, the club has handled the management issue really poorly seeminging just keeping him hanging on a string. His constant tinkering is evidence of his gradual loss of confidence and now we see a broken man. Sad for him, depressing for us and shameful from the club.

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I'm not sure I'd say he's been hung out to dry. I think a lot of it is self inflicted - I do not like him, the way he talks and the way he conducts himself but I do have sympathy for him losing his father and having to carry on in the biggest job of his life - but more from a wellbeing point of view as to me he looks very unwell in general, not just the stresses of football.

A friend of mine is an Orient fan and stated it went the same way as at Orient for him, eventually turning on fans and slating the club's hierarchy when they didn't give him the job. I'm sure he is planning on selling to Tan why he is the man to bring us back to the Championship.

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Originally Posted by TheBirchgrovePub

I'm not sure I'd say he's been hung out to dry. I think a lot of it is self inflicted - I do not like him, the way he talks and the way he conducts himself but I do have sympathy for him losing his father and having to carry on in the biggest job of his life - but more from a wellbeing point of view as to me he looks very unwell in general, not just the stresses of football.

A friend of mine is an Orient fan and stated it went the same way as at Orient for him, eventually turning on fans and slating the club's hierarchy when they didn't give him the job. I'm sure he is planning on selling to Tan why he is the man to bring us back to the Championship.

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He only had 7 games with orient and lost 5 of those. :hehe:

Anyone know how it ended for him at cheshunt in 2014 (his only previous managerial job)? Unbelievably his record there was even worse than it has been at cardiff with a win record of 24.49%. His cardiff win record is 25.64%.

Yet its the fans who are clueless. :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

He only had 7 games with orient and lost 5 of those. :hehe:

Anyone know how it ended for him at cheshunt in 2014 (his only previous managerial job)? Unbelievably his record there was even worse than it has been at cardiff with a win record of 24.49%. His cardiff win record is 25.64%.

Yet its the fans who are clueless. :shrug:

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It's odd really. Practically everyone involved in professional football knows what football message boards are like. I suspect 80% of them have supporters slagging off the manager, players and directors. The bit that Riza doesn't grasp is that when it comes to matchday everyone is 100% behind the club. The only sign of dissent/unrest I've heard this season is at the end of the Stoke game.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

It's odd really. Practically everyone involved in professional football knows what football message boards are like. I suspect 80% of them have supporters slagging off the manager, players and directors. The bit that Riza doesn't grasp is that when it comes to matchday everyone is 100% behind the club. The only sign of dissent/unrest I've heard this season is at the end of the Stoke game.

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Indeed. And if a manager thought football forums or Facebook comments were a useful place to get some additional tactical insights we'd all be even more worried!!

Of course they are full of nonsense.

As I say it's an interesting tactic to get everyone on side though. He was asking for help from fans the day before!

And he will be gone, so will any player worth 250k, another generation lost to the liverpools and Man City’s of this world….all because of the ego of a clueless owner 1000’s of miles away

He's read Eric's posts :hehe:

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Cardiff City fans hit back at 'disrespectful' Omer Riza's 'clueless' comments
The under-fire Bluebirds boss has been criticised for his 'disappointing and disrespectful' comments

I've just seen it and have well and truly given up on him.

What a tool.

That interview was very worrying for me. He looks like a broken man who has lost all hope. How he is going to motivate the team!

I agree with his comment that a lot of us fans are clueless but saying it was just stupid on his part.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Worse than Bulut, then you got there eventually; 12th is higher than 24th, 23rd, or 22nd.

Poor bugger has been out of his depth since day one, how you didn't see it God only knows.

A half-decent experienced manager would have us way up the table, and safe by now.

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Bulut was a dreadful manager in the end. As I've said before, but you ignore as you enjoy twisting things to suit your own idiotic comments, arguing over who is worse between Bulut and Riza is pointless.

You probably reckon we'd be top half under Bulut. You're still harping on about our start to the season and blame our fixtures, not Bulut, for our bad start. Let's face it, you're a clueless idiot who believes what he wants regardless of the evidence and it's getting tiring wasting my time getting you to see what most fans know.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Mind you, that doesn't always equate to success. Teams with larger wage bills have gone down from the Championship and other divisions, while sides with more modest ones have been successful. While there's an element of "you get what you pay for" in football, there's much more going on than just the players themselves. For what Tan has spent over the years, we should be nowhere near the bottom of the Championship. This isn't just on Riza, but successive managers, a generally awful record in the transfer market and, most relevantly, a board and owner with the footballing knowledge of a pubic louse with brain damage.

I have a certain amount of sympathy for Riza, not because I think he's any good, but I fear that we've been shoveling water out of our leaky dinghy for years. Riza is in charge of the lifeboat as it's about to capsize. Anyone better might have applied a few more sticking plasters to keep us afloat a little longer, but the end of life in the Championship has been nigh for some time.

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Of course, how poorly the club is run and how badly we've spent for years is a whole other topic. I was talking about the line that the fans have unrealistic expectations. I think it's perfectly reasonable that the fans expect that we shouldn't be favorites to go down at this point of the season, no matter all the other issues with the club. If that wasn't a realistic expectation then we might as well not bother watching and there'd be about 500 people at each game. It's not like he's getting criticism from the stands for not having us in the top 3.

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

Bulut was a dreadful manager in the end. As I've said before, but you ignore as you enjoy twisting things to suit your own idiotic comments, arguing over who is worse between Bulut and Riza is pointless.

You probably reckon we'd be top half under Bulut. You're still harping on about our start to the season and blame our fixtures, not Bulut, for our bad start. Let's face it, you're a clueless idiot who believes what he wants regardless of the evidence and it's getting tiring wasting my time getting you to see what most fans know.

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:hehe:

At the end he was terrible, but even your mates aren't backing you with we'd be fine if your man Riza had the first five games, you're clueless, there are no arguments just fact, one finished 12th and one will finish 23rd probably, 12th is higher than 23rd :thumbup:

Youre predictions were terrible last year too. Bulut would finish 20th, and he finished 12th, stick to knitting :wave: