A personal message from Tan Sri Vincent Tan | 29/04/2025

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Originally Posted by Cyclops

Am I the only one who wonders if this is actually from Tan?

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No.

I won't accept that Tan has any respect for this fanbase until that ridiculous dragon is removed from our club crest. We have our own dragon. It is our national emblem. It's on our flag FFS! To replace it with a Chinese dragon the epitome of disrespect. And for me shows exactly who Tan is.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

hilarious, people were complaining that there wasn't an apology or any indication from the club that they want to change. now we've had pretty much exactly what people were wanting and people are saying it was probably written by AI or by someone else.
some of you are just desperate to be angry at him whatever he does? have you all been taking lessons from my ex wife?

if he l
halved the cost of a season ticket some of you would find some way of complaining about that.

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I’ve not complained about him quiet, less we hear from the twat the better in my opinion.

You are correct though. He could put 100 million into the club tomorrow and I’d want him gone

lets be honest here, people were moaning they hadn't heard anything from the club, the club make a statement and people are moaning its not " heartfelt enough or written by AI

we all now Tan makes the final decisions, but the day to day running is down to Choo and Dalman who lets face it should have been sacked a long time ago

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Originally Posted by blue matt

lets be honest here, people were moaning they hadn't heard anything from the club, the club make a statement and people are moaning its not " heartfelt enough or written by AI

we all now Tan makes the final decisions, but the day to day running is down to Choo and Dalman who lets face it should have been sacked a long time ago

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And who's fault is that?

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Originally Posted by blue matt

lets be honest here, people were moaning they hadn't heard anything from the club, the club make a statement and people are moaning its not " heartfelt enough or written by AI

we all now Tan makes the final decisions, but the day to day running is down to Choo and Dalman who lets face it should have been sacked a long time ago

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Remind me, how much money has Dalman’s company loaned the club? And also remind me, who employed Choo as CEO? And also remind me, who brought both Dalman and Choo to Cardiff City FC in the first place?

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Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo

Would rather a proper CEO come in and run the club with a decent manager than a DoF tbh.

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Same, don’t get the calls for a DoF. What if they turn out to be crap?

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Originally Posted by EastbourneBlue

Same, don’t get the calls for a DoF. What if they turn out to be crap?

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:hehe: :hehe: :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:

On that basis, there's no point in employing a new manager in case he's crap. We can just leave everything to Vinnie.

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Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo

Would rather a proper CEO come in and run the club with a decent manager than a DoF tbh.

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Me too. A full time CEO with a proven track record within football. I'm sure we could poach one from another club. It would be money well spent. He/she would need the autonomy to run the club without the owner telling them what to do all the time of course.

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Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo

Would rather a proper CEO come in and run the club with a decent manager than a DoF tbh.

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Here's a wacky idea: why don't City appoint a full-time CEO, a Director of Football and a team manager?

I'm pretty sure a few clubs have gone down this crazy route...

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Here's a wacky idea: why don't City appoint a full-time CEO, a Director of Football and a team manager?

I'm pretty sure a few clubs have gone down this crazy route...

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Then you're just increasing the variables. On that basis, what's the chances of getting all your ducks in a row?

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

:hehe: :hehe: :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:

On that basis, there's no point in employing a new manager in case he's crap. We can just leave everything to Vinnie.

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It's a fair point though. Look how much man united spent chasing their guy and they lasted 4 months and sacked him. Their fans were so excited and encouraged when they got him.

Stoke have jon walters. Blackburn have rudy gestade. Both seem unpopular at their clubs but when failure comes it's the manager who gets sacked not them.

If cardiff just had a DOF it would be a disaster. Tan would either not trust them at all and would be lip service, or tan would trust them and then sack them when something goes wrong.

Bulut last summer for example was asking for more control the kind of stuff a DOF would do. What do you do if you appoint someone like that?

The idea behind the DOF is you employ the coaches/managers to suit them etc. I.e its not them that gets fired.

I'm not against one with a proper overhaul of a structure on and off the pitch- but the way some people seem to think it would be a silver bullet is crazy. Especially as the managers we keep appointing were at best untested before us, crap with us then disappear after us. If we had a real manager people wouldn't be so bothered about a DOF.

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Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five

Then you're just increasing the variables. On that basis, what's the chances of getting all your ducks in a row?

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Zero. I think Vinnie should just pull the plug.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

I'm not against one with a proper overhaul of a structure on and off the pitch- but the way some people seem to think it would be a silver bullet is crazy.

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So what do you suggest?

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

So what do you suggest?

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Just the appointment of a DOF would need to be part of many changes, including full time CEO, a genuine coaching staff etc..... and others.

My fear/prediction would be tan could just give us a DOF if he thinks that would take the heat off. Lots of fans here would be delighted but everything would still be just as crap and he can say I told you so.

I'm not sure why people are so focused on a DOF specifically as it's always that that gets mentioned?

Eg in my opinion whoever the DOF was we would still have been totally shit with morison hudson and riza as managers.

Edit- I get the point a real DOF would never have appointed people like that but hopefully you get the point! And chances of us appointing a good DOF when you look at the managerial choices?

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

Just the appointment of a DOF would need to be part of many changes, including full time CEO, a genuine coaching staff etc..... and others.

My fear/prediction would be tan could just give us a DOF if he thinks that would take the heat off. Lots of fans here would be delighted but everything would still be just as crap and he can say I told you so.

I'm not sure why people are so focused on a DOF specifically as it's always that that gets mentioned?

Eg in my opinion whoever the DOF was we would still have been totally shit with morison hudson and riza as managers.

Edit- I get the point a real DOF would never have appointed people like that but hopefully you get the point! And chances of us appointing a good DOF when you look at the managerial choices?

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Also to throw in while a good DOF can have a very positive impact.

A bad DOF can be even more costly and have an even greater negative impact than a couple of bad managers.

I get you could say the same with a CEO or anyone but again likelihood of this board appointing a good DOF? Zilch.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

I'm not sure why people are so focused on a DOF specifically as it's always that that gets mentioned?

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I'm going to take a wild guess and suggest it may be because the football club's board of directors currently comprises of a Malaysian business mogul, an investment banker, a car salesman and an engineer.

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

I get you could say the same with a CEO or anyone but again likelihood of this board appointing a good DOF? Zilch.

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Time to pull the plug, then.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I'm going to take a wild guess and suggest it may be because the football club's board of directors currently comprises of a Malaysian business mogul, an investment banker, a car salesman and an engineer.

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Yes and the way I'm looking at it to go straight to a DOF misses a few gaps.

Full time CEO and people running the club then I can look at it.

What chance would any DOF have in that current structure? Would be impossible.

I give up. This discussion is absolutely ****ing ridiculous. I'm out.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Time to pull the plug, then.

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Pretty much!

I think we've all just accepted it's treading water until the sala thing is done? Whenever that is.

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Originally Posted by WJ99mobile

He has failed. But as has everyone at the club. The main but not sole reason for our relegation is pitchside.

Do you see Dalman / Choo protests? No
Do you see Bulut protests? No
Have you heard many boo's at the players? Very few.

There's apathy right across the club and it's supporters except when it comes to Tan, (who bankrolled quite a number of signings last summer and January that on the whole, thought we're to be better than it's transpired). When it comes to Tan it's rather targetted and venomous.

That's why I believe he's a scapegoat.

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I don't think he's a scapegoat, I think his failure to appoint football understanding directors/controllers/whatever to make the football decisions is the reason we are in a mess.

He's backed us financially, but has failed with Manager appointments and an ongoing philosophy/strategy.

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Originally Posted by WJ99mobile

https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...finishing-20th

A lot of fans clearly are clueless.

Not many would have put us relegated.

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Hindsight, who would have thought they would appoint some random inexpereinced coach to run the team for a year?????

Half decent Manager would have got that squad ten points plus clear of the relegation spots.

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Yes I’ve seen posts saying checks state AI probably 95% generated the statements . No idea if this true or not ( I’m not up with Chatgbt or whatever it’s called) but that’s shocking if it is the case , certainly the statements lack any “personality “

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All big businesses use AI, 95% of most business stuff is run through AI, staff do it even if the company knows about it or not.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

hilarious, people were complaining that there wasn't an apology or any indication from the club that they want to change. now we've had pretty much exactly what people were wanting and people are saying it was probably written by AI or by someone else.
some of you are just desperate to be angry at him whatever he does? have you all been taking lessons from my ex wife?

if he l
halved the cost of a season ticket some of you would find some way of complaining about that.

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Thats true, I don't care how it's kocked up, as long as he means it and plans big changes that's great news.

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Originally Posted by Jamsarnie

Why can’t there be a fans/local review?

Somebody from WalesOnline can easily set up a series of four or five podcasts with FAB members and invite other fans to discuss where things have gone wrong over the past season and beyond - each episode covering a separate area where the club have made a mess of things.

Maybe the first episode could cover the lack of criticism from the local media over several years - helping sustain the status quo in the Cardiff City boardroom - and kick off the series with an apology. :shrug:

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It depends what fans, one of them thought Riza was a great idea :hehe:

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

It depends what fans, one of them thought Riza was a great idea :hehe:

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And some would probably recommend bulut came back......

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I give up. This discussion is absolutely ****ing ridiculous. I'm out.

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Pulled the plug? :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Father Dougal

It's a fair point though. Look how much man united spent chasing their guy and they lasted 4 months and sacked him. Their fans were so excited and encouraged when they got him.

Stoke have jon walters. Blackburn have rudy gestade. Both seem unpopular at their clubs but when failure comes it's the manager who gets sacked not them.

If cardiff just had a DOF it would be a disaster. Tan would either not trust them at all and would be lip service, or tan would trust them and then sack them when something goes wrong.

Bulut last summer for example was asking for more control the kind of stuff a DOF would do. What do you do if you appoint someone like that?

The idea behind the DOF is you employ the coaches/managers to suit them etc. I.e its not them that gets fired.

I'm not against one with a proper overhaul of a structure on and off the pitch- but the way some people seem to think it would be a silver bullet is crazy. Especially as the managers we keep appointing were at best untested before us, crap with us then disappear after us. If we had a real manager people wouldn't be so bothered about a DOF.

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Is there a successful football club in European football that doesn’t have a DOF/Sporting director or equivalent?

I’m pretty sure the answer is “no”…..

…..it’s, like, as if there is, like, a correlation or something between employing someone to oversee the long term strategy of the club and having footballing success.

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Originally Posted by Divine Wright

Is there a successful football club in European football that doesn’t have a DOF/Sporting director or equivalent?

I’m pretty sure the answer is “no”…..

…..it’s, like, as if there is, like, a correlation or something between employing someone to oversee the long term strategy of the club and having footballing success.

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Is there a successful football club in Europe that doesn't have a full time ceo and an absent board and owner like us?

I'm not against a DOF but without other changes also it wouldn't change anything. :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Cyclops

Am I the only one who wonders if this is actually from Tan?

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"..my family will tell you, I kick every ball.."

Yes, put that in, they'll like that !!!

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

You’re right to the extent that I think relegation to League One is more likely to make Vincent Tan “see the light” when it comes to how a modern day football club should be run than anything else that has happened in his time here. However, I’m far from convinced it will do.

It’s hardly promising to read in the club statement on the website that it seems that it’s the same clowns who have got us in this mess who will be carrying out the “thorough period of review” - why should anyone believe they’ll get it right this time when they’ve got so much wrong in the past?

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We did go with 'tried and tested' with Mad Mick and look how that worked out.

Our issue is we've flip-floped between philiosophies too many times out of panic.

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Originally Posted by WJ99mobile

We did go with 'tried and tested' with Mad Mick and look how that worked out.

Our issue is we've flip-floped between philiosophies too many times out of panic.

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this is very true

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Originally Posted by WJ99mobile

One of our many issues is we've flip-floped between philosophies too many times out of panic.

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Fixed for you.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Fixed for you.

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If you wouldn’t mind - Summarise what you feel are our issues in order of effect. Nothing fancy.

For example, I see a lot of clamour for a DOF, but that can have exactly the same pitfalls too.

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Originally Posted by WJ99mobile

If you wouldn’t mind - Summarise what you feel are our issues in order of effect. Nothing fancy.

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1 - Vincent Tan
2 - The entire off-field structure at the club under Vincent Tan's ownership

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Originally Posted by WJ99mobile

We did go with 'tried and tested' with Mad Mick and look how that worked out.

Our issue is we've flip-floped between philiosophies too many times out of panic.

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I don’t understand what you’re saying in your first sentence in relation to my post where I made no reference to the type of manager we should appoint - if anything, I’ve argued against the view that our next manager has to be an experienced one.

Wish it was as straightforward as just being down to what type of football we want to play. We’d become a crap long ball team by the time we tried to change our approach and we’ve made changing to the way of playing favoured by our Academy look much harder than it needed to be.