Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
I’m really not sure what your angle is with this. I don’t think anyone believes Adams is a top player with the potential to go to a higher level or anything daft like that. Not even the Derby fans. He’s just a very hardworking individual with a good attitude who has had a decent season in the Championship on a personal level.
The fact that he was deemed to be not good enough for Cardiff City by our management is ironic in retrospect, especially as our midfield has been so feeble this season.
No angle, if he's been really good this year, them the measure is the market. That doesn't mean he hasn't been good for Derby, but as you know, a top 6 championship club may snap him up if he's done well. I would say that it's probably more likely that Derby's style of play suits him, and by the looks of things, it isn't very good, Although better than us. In all honesty, whether he would have been good enough for us or not is marginal in my opinion, But i suppose it's only the crumbs that we're left with.
Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
No angle, if he's been really good this year, then the measure is the market.
Not often I disagree with you about football, but you’re waffling bollocks on this occasion.
There are lots of players who have had decent seasons on individual levels in the Championship this year but who’ll probably be going nowhere during the summer. Adams is one example and there are plenty of others.
Potential fees, contract length, wages, availability, personal circumstances - there are many factors that dictate whether or not players attract transfer bids or make moves. It’s not simply a matter of form.
Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Not often I disagree with you about football, but you’re waffling bollocks on this occasion.
There are lots of players who have had decent seasons on individual levels in the Championship this year but who’ll probably be going nowhere during the summer. Adams is one example and there are plenty of others.
Potential fees, contract length, wages, availability, personal circumstances - there are many factors that dictate whether or not players attract transfer bids or make moves. It’s not simply a matter of form.
All of those variables are the same for every player that is transferred to a better club, the clubs usually find a way around it. He's had a good season, no doubt, if he's been really good then other clubs will take notice. That is a measure of a players progress, and usually the measure in which footballers and football clubs live by.
Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
The thing about all these players is it was right to move them on. The fact they have gone on to prove themselves as championship players just goes to show to me how poorly run our team is in every regard. They should have flourished at our club but it looks like whatever goes on during the week isn't good enough either.
Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
Fair enough, it's not what i like to see really, it's not a brand of football that i want to see, but that's just my personal choice. :thumbup:
But doesn’t picking a player with Adams’ particular talents enable a manager to pick an extra footballer of the type you like in their team if they’re so minded? Isn’t selection about getting the balance between artists and artisans right? To me, you pick an Adams and that could mean you could fit, say, a Koumas type and a McPhail type in your team.
Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
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Originally Posted by
Bald Barry Bastad
The thing about all these players is it was right to move them on.
Adams never really got much of a chance here (just three Championship starts). Bulut obviously didn't fancy him, but as I said earlier, the fact that he was deemed to be not good enough for us is ironic in retrospect considering we sold him in July and our midfield has been so hopelessly weak this season.
The rest needed to go when they went. Brown has seemingly developed well following a couple of solid seasons in League One, Harris looks to be no different now to how he was when he was with us and it took Murphy a few years to rediscover his best form. Nevertheless, it's kind of typical to see these players apparently thriving at our relegation rivals while our feeble lot drop tamely into the third tier.
Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
Such a fuss about Adams, Siopis was much better, he helped Greece beat England at Wembley and we ditched him too.
As TLG says, he's an average player giving his all, I doubt he will get a move up.
Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
Such a fuss about Adams, Siopis was much better, he helped Greece beat England at Wembley and we ditched him too.
As TLG says, he's an average player giving his all, I doubt he will get a move up.
hes very unlikely to get a move up a league at the age of 29, but if he was 23 and posting these kind of numbers he'd be getting snapped up pretty quickly IMO.
looking back, the number of tackles he's won is higher than any player in the last 6 years (before which the data isnt as readily available).
the only player who comes close in terms of tackles won was Trai Hume at Sunderland last season, who is a defender and his tackles were mostly I. the defensive third unsurprisingly.
Hume will probably get a move to the premier League before long
Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
What makes me laugh is that almost all the players listed on this thread have been at one time or another dismissed by our fanbase as not being good enough for this level.
I think the same will apply to the current squad, its nowhere near as a bad as some have made out. Just a lot of players playing well below their ceiling, lacking in confidence and leadership and abysmally managed.
Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
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Originally Posted by
Cardiff Ultra
What makes me laugh is that almost all the players listed on this thread have been at one time or another dismissed by our fanbase as not being good enough for this level.
More importantly, they were also dismissed by our management as not being good enough for this level.
Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
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Originally Posted by
Cardiff Ultra
What makes me laugh is that almost all the players listed on this thread have been at one time or another dismissed by our fanbase as not being good enough for this level.
I think the same will apply to the current squad, its nowhere near as a bad as some have made out. Just a lot of players playing well below their ceiling, lacking in confidence and leadership and abysmally managed.
Agreed, the squad would have finished much higher with a half-decent Manager.
Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
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Originally Posted by
Undercoverinwurzelland
Josh Murphy won Portsmouth's Player of the Season, Players’ Player of the Season and Goal of the Season awards.
I've been trying to make sense of Murphy's career since he joined us in 2018 but without much success.
He started well here (I'm sure I remember talk of him pushing for the England squad in one interview but maybe I'm mistaken) and made 22 starts for us in the Premier League but it fell away from there.
He only made 16 starts the following season and 12 the one after. Mad Mick had a look at him for the one after that but sent him out on a season long loan after the Brighton League Cup tie, which turned out to be his last game for us.
It was the final year of his contract with us so he had every incentive to make an impression at Preston but he didn't make a start for them in any competition and we released him in June '22 to nobody's surprise.
There wasn't exactly a rush for his signature and it was deep into pre-season before Oxford picked him up on a 2 year deal. Even a fresh start didn't seem to inspire him as he only made 10 starts in his first season there and by the February in his second season he'd only made 3.
However, just as his contract was running down there, he suddenly sparked into life, helping Oxford into the play offs, in which he played every minute and got the two goals at Wembley to get them promoted.
This caught Oxford out as they hadn't offered him a new contract and when they did he decided to join Portsmouth instead. I found an article when Murphy left Oxford and under it someone had left a comment saying
'Thanks Josh for the half a dozen times you bothered to show up'
Under that someone had added that it was three more times than he'd bothered to show up for us.
And yet here he is, in his thirties now, picking up awards after 40 starts at Portsmouth this season. Go figure.
Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
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Originally Posted by
Loramski
I've been trying to make sense of Murphy's career since he joined us in 2018 but without much success.
He started well here (I'm sure I remember talk of him pushing for the England squad in one interview but maybe I'm mistaken) and made 22 starts for us in the Premier League but it fell away from there.
He only made 16 starts the following season and 12 the one after. Mad Mick had a look at him for the one after that but sent him out on a season long loan after the Brighton League Cup tie, which turned out to be his last game for us.
It was the final year of his contract with us so he had every incentive to make an impression at Preston but he didn't make a start for them in any competition and we released him in June '22 to nobody's surprise.
There wasn't exactly a rush for his signature and it was deep into pre-season before Oxford picked him up on a 2 year deal. Even a fresh start didn't seem to inspire him as he only made 10 starts in his first season there and by the February in his second season he'd only made 3.
However, just as his contract was running down there, he suddenly sparked into life, helping Oxford into the play offs, in which he played every minute and got the two goals at Wembley to get them promoted.
This caught Oxford out as they hadn't offered him a new contract and when they did he decided to join Portsmouth instead. I found an article when Murphy left Oxford and under it someone had left a comment saying
'Thanks Josh for the half a dozen times you bothered to show up'
Under that someone had added that it was three more times than he'd bothered to show up for us.
And yet here he is, in his thirties now, picking up awards after 40 starts at Portsmouth this season. Go figure.
And when we signed him was he even in the Norwich team? Do I remember they went on to win the league without him?
Where was his brother when we signed josh?
Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
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Originally Posted by
Father Dougal
And when we signed him was he even in the Norwich team? Do I remember they went on to win the league without him?
Where was his brother when we signed josh?
Jacob was at Newcastle, he came on against us here, but was sent out on loan in the second half of the season.
Yes, Norwich won the league under Farke the season after Josh left but he was in the team the season before, he made 34 starts.
Re: Ex-Bluebirds at Oxford United
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Originally Posted by
Loramski
I've been trying to make sense of Murphy's career since he joined us in 2018 but without much success.
He started well here (I'm sure I remember talk of him pushing for the England squad in one interview but maybe I'm mistaken) and made 22 starts for us in the Premier League but it fell away from there.
He only made 16 starts the following season and 12 the one after. Mad Mick had a look at him for the one after that but sent him out on a season long loan after the Brighton League Cup tie, which turned out to be his last game for us.
It was the final year of his contract with us so he had every incentive to make an impression at Preston but he didn't make a start for them in any competition and we released him in June '22 to nobody's surprise.
There wasn't exactly a rush for his signature and it was deep into pre-season before Oxford picked him up on a 2 year deal. Even a fresh start didn't seem to inspire him as he only made 10 starts in his first season there and by the February in his second season he'd only made 3.
However, just as his contract was running down there, he suddenly sparked into life, helping Oxford into the play offs, in which he played every minute and got the two goals at Wembley to get them promoted.
This caught Oxford out as they hadn't offered him a new contract and when they did he decided to join Portsmouth instead. I found an article when Murphy left Oxford and under it someone had left a comment saying
'Thanks Josh for the half a dozen times you bothered to show up'
Under that someone had added that it was three more times than he'd bothered to show up for us.
And yet here he is, in his thirties now, picking up awards after 40 starts at Portsmouth this season. Go figure.
A very odd career. What will he do next?
