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I just watched the highlights and I don't think I've ever seen such a pathetic attempt at being a goal keeper than Horvath yesterday. I never want to see him play for this club again.
Also the ref didn't need to blow up when he did and send Chambers off (although we eventually improved when we wasn't on the pitch). The ball ran free to Nunez who was 1 on 1 with our feeble keeper,
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PontBlue
I just watched the highlights and I don't think I've ever seen such a pathetic attempt at being a goal keeper than Horvath yesterday. I never want to see him play for this club again.
The first goal is bizarre. He's in the middle of the goal and the ball isn't fired into the net. Maybe he was wrong-footed or anticipated something else but it was a strange lack of effort.
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llan bluebird
The point I was making is that there are two distinct camps, and neither will have what the other camp says.
Our wider group meets up in the Grange after a game every four or five weeks, and the main conversation inevitably is Colwill.
I am in the he is only just 23 in a body that only stopped growing with a vision not seen since Whitts and Tomlin, his execution isn't where it needs to be, but he is still young. He is not 10 or even a forward, but you go think so because of the touch, dribbling and vision. He has been used centre forward !!!! I think he is an 8 at the top of a double pivot, but in a team that should be on the front foot, rather than the backs to the wall CCFC of the last four seasons.
Half my mates think he is a slow, lazy, over hyped show pony that offers nothing, and they'd give him away for free. We'll disagree on every point for hours, and it's been like that for two seasons, neither group give an inch.
I can't think of a player thats split the fans as much as Colwill since Whitts.
Fair enough he certainly gets some supporters argue he could be a very, very top player and others who can't see how he is a professional at any level.
I'm just in the camp of he's good with time space, useless without and he will be good in league 1. :thumbup:
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PontBlue
I just watched the highlights and I don't think I've ever seen such a pathetic attempt at being a goal keeper than Horvath yesterday. I never want to see him play for this club again.
Also the ref didn't need to blow up when he did and send Chambers off (although we eventually improved when we wasn't on the pitch). The ball ran free to Nunez who was 1 on 1 with our feeble keeper,
Yeah and he did score also. :hehe:
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the other bob wilson
No, I watched the game with no preconceived ideas about him. You don’t say anything about the bit where I mention the question where was this from him when we really needed it and say it’s not unreasonable to ask that. What I actually said was he was superb with a very big but though.
You saw the game and Colwill's performance yesterday, as I saw it. I thought he was very good. I could have guessed who would be first to have another pop at him and I would have been right. Maybe he did have more space yesterday, but let's not forget we were playing with a man down. And we won the second half. Yes, Colwill has disappointed to often. But yesterday (the game you were reporting on) he was very good. Credit where it was due.
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You saw the game and Colwill's performance yesterday, as I saw it. I thought he was very good. I could have guessed who would be first to have another pop at him and I would have been right.
Superb he was! Superb!
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Superb he was! Superb!
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Looks like you've taken my spot......... Careful........
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Tuerto
Looks like you've taken my spot......... Careful........
We'll have to tread carefully with Garth Blue. He was a big Omer Riza fan and took umbrage with my criticism of him. He's probably feeling a bit sore given the way things eventually panned out.
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We'll have to tread carefully with Garth Blue. He was a big Omer Riza fan and took umbrage with my criticism of him. He's probably feeling a bit sore given the way things eventually panned out.
A big fan is an exaggeration. I maintain that he started well under very difficult circumstances and initially got a lot of things right. I was also very clear that the way his position was handled by Tan and the board was a disgrace. He should have been made permanent or replaced in the November international break. After that he was hung out to dry and put under immense pressure by the lack of support. And he couldn't take it. Whether it was lack of experience or his character, who knows - probably a combination of both. In the end, he was broken and should have been replaced in the March international break. I only come on this board occasionally. But, a recurring theme is your negativity. The only time you were quiet was after the Swansea game. You struggle when things go well. Weird really. And now when Colwill plays well, you can only have a pop. I never said he was superb, I said he played very well - he did. So did Bob, sorry if it doesn't fit your agenda.
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You say: “I only come on this board occasionally. But, a recurring theme is your negativity.”
The irony of that claim is you were incredibly negative about Bulut and you’ve also posted some very negative observations about the board and the owner. So, apparently it’s fine for you to be negative when you so desire, no problem at all, but you get upset when others (or more specifically me) dare to criticise any managers or players you happen to be enthusiastic about.
You were scathing in your criticism of Bulut, but effusive in your praise of Riza. I thought both were utterly hopeless, and the latter in particular should never have been anywhere near a management job at this level. The fact that we’ve just finished rock bottom of a dreadful Championship would suggest I wasn’t too far off the mark, but sorry if that doesn't fit your agenda.
You say: “The only time you were quiet was after the Swansea game. You struggle when things go well. Weird really.”
As I’ve previously explained, I was given a diagnosis of prostate cancer in the run-up to the Swansea game, which knocked the stuffing out of me for a little while, so I’m sure you can forgive the fact that I wasn’t turning cartwheels at the time. But I struggle when things are going well? Really?!? Remind me, when in recent years have things been going well exactly? Most people seem to agree that this relegation has been a long time in the making. Perhaps you don’t agree with that and the whole thing has come as a nasty shock to you?
As regards Rubin Colwill, TOBW said (and I quote): "Best of the subs though was Rubin Colwill who replaced Joe Ralls at half time, in fact I thought he was superb."
You didn’t say he was superb, but you have suggested you agree with TOBW, so presumably you thought he was superb without actually saying it?
I thought it was a typical Colwill performance - he looked good at times, but ultimately there was no end product. I guess that’s why Craig Bellamy has selected Swansea reserves and League One players for Wales ahead of him, and why Aaron Ramsey didn’t give him a start in any of his three matches as caretaker manager. Or maybe you reckon they also have an agenda?
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City123
Ralls' contract is up I believe
The "pay as you play" deals don't exist, but if Ramsey is here next season then he should only be given the lowest basic salary possible
depends on how many games triggered the 1 yr extension
Personally, he will do a job for us in L1, he has passion and cares about the club, always gives 100% , now that's a decent start
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The Lone Gunman
You say: “I only come on this board occasionally. But, a recurring theme is your negativity.”
The irony of that claim is you were incredibly negative about Bulut and you’ve also posted some very negative observations about the board and the owner. So, apparently it’s fine for you to be negative when you so desire, no problem at all, but you get upset when others (or more specifically me) dare to criticise any managers or players you happen to be enthusiastic about.
You were scathing in your criticism of Bulut, but effusive in your praise of Riza. I thought both were utterly hopeless, and the latter in particular should never have been anywhere near a management job at this level. The fact that we’ve just finished rock bottom of a dreadful Championship would suggest I wasn’t too far off the mark, but sorry if that doesn't fit your agenda.
You say: “The only time you were quiet was after the Swansea game. You struggle when things go well. Weird really.”
As I’ve previously explained, I was given a diagnosis of prostate cancer in the run-up to the Swansea game, which knocked the stuffing out of me for a little while, so I’m sure you can forgive the fact that I wasn’t turning cartwheels at the time. But I struggle when things are going well? Really?!? Remind me, when in recent years have things been going well exactly? Most people seem to agree that this relegation has been a long time in the making. Perhaps you don’t agree with that and the whole thing has come as a nasty shock to you?
As regards Rubin Colwill, TOBW said (and I quote): "Best of the subs though was Rubin Colwill who replaced Joe Ralls at half time, in fact I thought he was superb."
You didn’t say he was superb, but you have suggested you agree with TOBW, so presumably you thought he was superb without actually saying it?
I thought it was a typical Colwill performance - he looked good at times, but ultimately there was no end product. I guess that’s why Craig Bellamy has selected Swansea reserves and League One players for Wales ahead of him, and why Aaron Ramsey didn’t give him a start in any of his three matches as caretaker manager. Or maybe you reckon they also have an agenda?
Sorry about the prostate diagnosis. I hope the prognosis is better.
On Colwill - I said he was very good. He was very good....on Saturday.
On Bulut - He was a fraud. He had us playing god-awful football.
On the Board - the way they run the club is a joke. Their handling of the Riza situation was painful.
But there are positives. Brightest of those is the Academy in recent years. I fully support the Board's investment here. And probably the reason it performs, is because the board is more hands-off following the investment. I think we should build the club under a particular style of play which is progressive and positive. This is happening at the Academy and needs to be replicated at first team level as more players come through. I also refuse to believe that the squad is shit. But is painfully lacks balance and there is a lack of leadership on the field.
I think "Leadership" is one of 2 words I would.use to sum up why the club is where it is today. Leadership is lacking throughout the club at all levels. Leadership doesn't mean investment it means doing the right thing and setting an example. It also means inspiring support. Wrexham has investment but it also has brilliant leadership. The only part of the club where I have seen true leadership recently is Gavin Chesterfield at the Academy. And whilst Warnock isn't my favorite person, he was a leader. We need fresh leadership and perhaps Ramsey can be part of that.
The other word is "Soul". We no longer have a soul. It started with the red debacle and we have never recovered from it.
I said I call it as I see it and yes all I see from you is negativity. It appears to be negativity for the sake of it. And your response to Bob's article summed it up for me. Yesterday, you criticised someone for commenting on players season scores, you said they they should bother to create their own scores before they comment on others - or words to that effect. Bob makes the effort to create good content and to write excellent reports on every City match. His report on the Norwich game was very good. It could hardly be said to be positive ... even the heading was about us being at the bottom because we deserved to be at the bottom and this is undoubtedly true. But god forbid he should say anything positive about Colwill (even though he caveated that with comments about his season overall). This is what you pick up on because, well, because that's what you do.