I am not convinced by any of the labour teamQuote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
Starmer , Reeves, Cooper , Rayner , Kendal , Powell , Lammy
Hopeless all of them
That Welsh secretary is poor too
I would bin the lot of them
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I am not convinced by any of the labour teamQuote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
Starmer , Reeves, Cooper , Rayner , Kendal , Powell , Lammy
Hopeless all of them
That Welsh secretary is poor too
I would bin the lot of them
Electoral Calculus is a good site
It's just done a report on why reforms vote is increasing so much
It's summary ....
The Economy ....stagnant for several years
Immigration
The NHS
They conclude that whilst Reform are not providing any solutions its almost as if some are saying why not five them a go , it couldn't get any worse , could it ?
Which is worrying for the main parties if not the country
Not his finest hour.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cql2de96kn3o
Well I would prefer a Labour government to reform but I think unless starmer goes its all too lateQuote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Ed Milliband ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
He's even more hopeless than Starmer
So, can we all at least agree that Plaid Cymru is the way forward?
Thank you.
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I don’t think he went to Albania to hear the Albanians say they did not agree to what he’d just spoken about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
I was reading about this on Reddit this morning, apparently the media coverage was cut to make it look as though it was an Albanian response/answer to a Starmer answer, when in fact the Albanian Prime Minister was asked his question first and Starmer's question about return hubs came after. The guy who was claiming this linked to the full press conference and was pretty confident but the captioning on the press conference is difficult to follow so I gave up trying to confirm his claim.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Not sure to what end but if the above is true, the press seemed determined to turn 'Starmer goes to Albania to talk about cooperation in a number of areas' into 'starmer embarrassed as he pleads with albania for return hubs and they say no'
The constant hammering of immigration by the last few governments has been particularly bad for me - having married an immigrant a couple of years back.
The fees involved increased massively under the tories, not only the visa fees themselves, but the NHS surcharge they have to pay went up from 600 ish a year to over 1000 a year, over the course of a 5 year immigration process this adds thousands of pounds per person.
Now Labour want to increase the language requirements to A2 (previously B2) which is quite a big jump and worst of all extend the process from 5 years to 10 years - that will cost us tens of thousands more if it is put in place before we complete the ILR process.
A few times over the last 23 years I’ve wanted to move back and bring my Mrs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
The financial hurdles were always too big.
As much as I miss the place, it’s probably for the best.
It’s not just the place but the times that I had there then will never be the same.
One day though, maybe!
You’re not missing anything. It’s worse than you remember.
You should be admired I suppose for your defence of starmer and LabourQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
But it's all too late
His position is now toxic
He will soon be a dead man walking
Wait till Nigel gets inQuote:
Originally Posted by stevo
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This article, more than any other I've read, captures why I've come to thoroughly despise the leader of the party I've voted for through most of my adult life.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinio...t-racist-right
Can't remember who said this and where I heard it, but it was on some Podcast. Apparently, Starmer was in a foul mood for much of the night of his greatest triumph as he was so annoyed when it began to become clear that his majority and number of seats won was going to be lower than Tony Blair managed in 1997 - what an odd attitude and yet he govenrs as iif his majority was 17, not 170 odd.
We need a moderate party encompassing labour , liberal and old school one nation ToriesQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I think the problem with left of centre British politics is the fact there are too many parties all poncing about for votes
It would make sense
If Labour can't see they need to get rid of starmer rapido then it's curtains
What "left of centre" British politics? It doesn't exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
A party to represent those that vote for itQuote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
There's loads of us , more than the right wing
We just need to knock heads together
Labour is finished
Peter Oborne accusing people of changing their morals/philosophy is pretty hilarious in and of itself but I do agree with a lot of the points in that article (notably Israel arms sales and nationalisation - which I am guessing PO himself has perhaps changed his mind on..).Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
The migration commentary centres around Starmer's apparent difference in opinion around migration in 2019 Vs today. I just think that is fatally flawed, I support migration at the levels we saw in 2019, I don't support 2024 levels as I just can't see how that can be sustainable, most notably because it blows a massive hole in the governments ability to deliver on promises around housing/NHS.
Peter Oborne has been very consistent in his views and arguments for at least 10 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Kier Starmer has done a complete 180 degree flip in 5 years.
Although to be fair to Starmer he didn’t believe what he said 5 years ago. He was and is a serial liar who says what he thinks some people want to hear, or else what Peter Mandelson whispers in his ear.
Oborne is consistently interesting (as a life long conservative). Starmer is consistently despicable (as a life long chameleon).
Oborne says himself that it can be a sign of maturity to change your mind, but not to the extent that Starmer does - not only can you not trust such a person, you have to wonder about their judgment. Oborne mentions Starmer’s wavering attitude towards Jeremy Corbyn - what’s all that about? He even lies on a personal level if it suits his current agenda, how can anyone trust anything he says?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Interesting to see Oborne mentions the possibility of Starmer losing his seat at the next Election, I reckon there’s every chance he will and I’d celebrate if he did because it would be thoroughly deserved.
Unless he's ousted Labour is absolutely finished , surely ?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Andrew Feinstein took a chunk out of Starmer’s majority at the last election - got 19% to Starmer’s 49% - with no one else in the frame.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Feinstein is a South African (worked for the ANC and for Mandela), is Jewish, and is a prominent anti-Zionist and activist for Palestine. In that seat - where he and other independents continue to campaign - he could be a real threat to Starmer next time around. Reform might be a distant third, but in that part of London the opposition is independent socialists.
Yeah I'd agree with you on Corbyn, that was political opportunism at it's finest. Corbyn bombed the 2019 election and they needed to get rid of him. I still reject (and I note nobody has tried to challenge this directly) the idea that it's a sign of inconsistency to be in favour of 2019 levels of migration and against 2024 levels of migration. Let's say net-migration was 50 million in 2025, you would be against that, right? Would that make you a hypocrite or untrustworthy?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I admire Oborne as one of the few conservative political journalists not to lean into insanity (it would have been great for him financially to do so) when the party moved that way but the migration aspect of that article is just not rational.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Nice to see a few of the big hitters in the CCMB massive throwing their choice at the ballot under the bus 🤣🤣🤣🤣 any truth in the rumours about the young Ukrainian alleged to have been involved in the fire at Sir free gears gaff ?
I think the advantage of your position ...none of the above blah blah blah .....is that you can scoff away without coming up with any options or alternativesQuote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
I have thought for many years a moderate party of labour , liberal and old school Tories backed up by a decent green agenda would be far preferable to the constant scrabble for votes we currently see
You don't offer anything except telling everyone you are some kind of visionary and you don't vote
So as far as I am concerned you may as well wobble away like a jelly in a fantasy world
I am sure if nobody voted at all we would definitely sort of the economy , the nhs and everything else
You silly sausage ��
Rattled :hehe::hehe::wave:Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Starmers pathetic language and his moribund talk was the problem not the issue of immigration itselfQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
And , of course , the pathetically weak home secretary who is now in a position to say we are doing this , this and this and we have done this that and this to start dealing with the issue of immigration ....
But when interviewed by Victoria Derbyshire she was absolutely hopeless
That's the problem
Well why don't you come up with something you hopeless old drunkQuote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
I've just finished going through the process with wife and stepson, so hadethe expenses you know off times 2. It's horrendous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
And throughout the 5 years + that it was going on theyhad no accessto public funds orany supportif somethimg happened to me or my work.
As you can imagine when I see and read about what illegal immigrants can claim it doesn't make me a happy bunny.
It hasto stop.
And the Civil Rights Lawyer who went through the courts using the human rights laws to force HMG to give all these benefits which have the double effect of costing UK tax payers billionsandencouraging moreto come?
Guess, but you only get 1 guess.
I’m in the what sometimes seems to be one per cent who can’t get too worked up about immigration. In resality, I suspect that there are plenty more who feel like I do, but, in the case of Starmer’s Labour Party, they’re determined to chase the votes of a group of people who, in most cases, would never vote for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
What you see or read isn't always the factsQuote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
https://fullfact.org/immigration/ill...nefits-access/
It appears by chasing votes to the right starmer is losing key voters to the Lib dems , greens etc or in some cases such as here in Wales, PlaidQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
That's going to cause him so many problems in marginal seats where he needs the votes so badly
I have sympathy for those affected by his policies but not for him and his servile bunch of wet ministers
Get him gone pronto
I'm in the 1% too Bob. There's far too many other more serious issues going on for me to get exercised over immigration. There's also far too many of the elite who are wildly happy that us proles get our anger deflected from their own interests.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
My point is that politics is always a game of where you draw the line. I remember an episode of question time years ago where an audience member went off on a 'public sector can't run a tap, everything should be privatised, free markets hurrah' rant and a panel member picked his overconfidence apart by listing off things that are currently government funded/run that it would be mental to privatise demonstrating the above - it's always about where you draw the line. Similarly with the WFA, its probably the threshold that divides opinion on the policy - I can't believe a majority of Britons think millionaire retiree should get free money for energy bills.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
The problem that focusing on principles leads to is that the maths doesn't add up long term. The projections of benefits system right now, the projections of triple lock, the projections of just letting migration drift. And when you combine it all together we have a country where:
- Pension cohort and cost increasing
- Benefit claimants increasing massively (in work and out of work)
- Importing more and more people to do low paying jobs (filling the gaps left by UK workers)
Project that forward and it just isn't sustainable, right? It doesn't even sound functional now. And I'll say it again, labour has no hope of achieving anything they said without doing it - e.g. they could build more houses than ever and not even keep up with demand..
But not a druggie,Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Isn't it politicians who are supposed to come up with something? when they are not taking brown envelopes for influence and orders from globalist organisations. Your boy has royally fked an already failing country. Own it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
I want him gone , if the people who voted Labour just say nothing now he's turning into a clown then they would be hypocritical and foolish
But I don't know anyone personally who are going to be voting for him again or indeed the party unless he's given his marching orders
So that's us
But what are you offering ? .....oh yes the old conspiracy brown envelopes nonsense 🙄 , gorged from the internet
You are going to be about 80 , sat in front of your keyboard saying I am great , I am a individual , I don't vote for any of them
Well feck off then you soppy old tart
Lol, has the old lady from No.89 refused to pay you cash in hand again, can I update rattled to extremely rattled, you do not have to vent your guilt on me but man up and live with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
The only lady I am interested in is the divorcee over the roadQuote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
You are not offering anything , all you are doing is poncing about on the internet with your conspiracy buddies .....all absolute fruitcakes who think after a few searches they know more the medical profession, financial analysts , historians ......whilst coming forward with feck all
So again .....those that wanted a change at the last election have quickly felt that the government under starmer is not up to the job
Some will be voting elsewhere , some with be pressurising their local mp and some will be trying everything they can to get the government to change course or get rid of starmer or both
Some will be not bothering voting until they snuff it , just like you always tell us
That's great but it doesn't achieve anything but suggest you are under the impression you are wiser than everyone else
Which is clearly absolute nonsense
We need law and order , we need security , we need an economy , we need a health service
Now there can be debate about the best ways of achieving that but if you just want to pipe up now again with this faaar right bullshit mixed in with some sort of pseudo conspiracy theory cobblers with a few stupid quotes and symbols thrown in .....special codes between you and your expert buddies .....or slag off those that have taken part in the democratic process ....unlike you ......then wtf are you doing with the time you have left on this planet ?