Yes there is a petition

Tan is caught between a rock and a hard place

Sell at a loss
Managed decline, reducing his annual losses, but also watching his asset depreciate
Or gamble again and try to get closer to the bigger money of the Premier League

I really am not concerned about him leaving

The trouble is you need to speak with the butcher directly and not the block. To be fair I wouldn't want to meet with any group that just wants to shout and goad as a tactic of negotiation. Besides that, the OP wants Sam Hamman back and if that happens I would prefer to support the Jacks.

If I'd posted this on the other board I'd probably be banned and perhaps I still will.

I would however support any movement that wanted to put their points directly to Vincent Tan in the right manner.

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Originally Posted by Jonny L

Strange and disappointing response. Poking fun and having a laugh does nothing to bring supporters together. I'll put you under the apathy and the accepting groups.

I promise not to tell Vincent if you sign.

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You can be as snide as you like, I've just pointed out some glaring issues with your petition, most notably that nothing Tan has done brings his fit and proper ownership credentials into question so the whole basis for the petition is nonsensical.

And in terms of groups, you can put me under the maybe shouting get the guy we owe tens of millions to out with no idea what happens next might not be the best idea group, I reckon there's quite a few of us in it

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Originally Posted by Jonny L

I’m not a new poster, in fact an old poster, but not been on here for a long while. I used to post under Anne Widdecombes Mirror. We all have views and opinions, especially now.

Let’s get straight to the point. We all know Tan has made serious mistakes, we also don’t need reminding that the experience of following our football club is at its lowest ebb. Bottom line? Tan needs to go. Tan has to go. Tan should not be allowed to run a football club. Action is needed. No action does nothing, and either confirms our apathy towards the club or our acceptance of Tans tyranny.

The easiest thing you can do is sign the petition to show that there is an opposition. FAB or Trust don’t show it, and are lapdogs. Signing the petition is so easy, takes a few clicks and is FREE FREE FREE. If you don’t sign, it’s your choice, but you have to decide, if you don’t sign, whether you fall under the apathetic or the accepting group.

Here’s the link. HTTPS://chng.it/fY8ttxHMbY

Once you have signed, you must confirm your signature via an email you will receive otherwise your signature will not count or show. DO NOT DONATE. THIS IS A REQUEST BY THE WEBSITE ONLY AND CAN BE SKIPPED.

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Have you got an alternative to Tan? Can you put some creditable names forward that we can mull over and perhaps get behind? Or are you pissing in the wind?

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Originally Posted by Jonny L

My last Point on this as I have said my piece. If everyone who said 'what's the point' actually took a minute to sign something that wouldn't harm them then Our numbers and our togetherness would be far far healthier.

There are thise who want change and do something about it. Something is better than nothing. Doing nothing means we keep Tan which will mean we end up with NOTHING.

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Getting rid of Tan also has the potential of us ending up with NOTHING.

That NOTHING being the same NOTHING the fans of Bury, Darlington, Hereford have ended up with after their clubs failed to pay the bills.

From the day he announced his big plan for Cardiff City, I have detested Tan’s attitude toward fans.

He treats us with disdain, and has not a care in the world for what we think of him and his methods.

His methods have only served to dig himself into an enormous hole. One he would, I’m sure, love to get out of. But he is now stuck.

He is pouring money into the hole, but he gets further and further away from the way out.

All of that said - he does not fail the EFL tests for “fit and proper” ownership of a football club. He is simply inept at running a successful club in terms of the results on the pitch.

For that reason I will not sign a petition that is well-meaning, but fundamentally flawed.

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Originally Posted by Crisp White Lines

From the day he announced his big plan for Cardiff City, I have detested Tan’s attitude toward fans.

He treats us with disdain, and has not a care in the world for what we think of him and his methods.

His methods have only served to dig himself into an enormous hole. One he would, I’m sure, love to get out of. But he is now stuck.

He is pouring money into the hole, but he gets further and further away from the way out.

All of that said - he does not fail the EFL tests for “fit and proper” ownership of a football club. He is simply inept at running a successful club in terms of the results on the pitch.

For that reason I will not sign a petition that is well-meaning, but fundamentally flawed.

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Spot on, of all the petitions that could be done, this one makes no sense what’s so ever.

Fit and proper tests are about whether or not the owner has any Director sanctions, or to examine the source of the owners money. If either way a problem for Tan, I think we'd know by now.

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Originally Posted by The Bloop

Fit and proper tests are about whether or not the owner has any Director sanctions, or to examine the source of the owners money. If either way a problem for Tan, I think we'd know by now.

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Makes you wonder if the people who signed it know what they signed. Such a shame.

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Originally Posted by NinianKnight

OK is Borely wrong...

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Yes, Borley is wrong. 'Be careful what you wish for...' is a mantra of utter cowardice. Either that or it's the mantra of someone who has a vested interest in maintaining the current status quo.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with any Cardiff City supporter wishing the club had a better owner than an individual who has treated the fans with disdain for more than a decade and has just led two different clubs to relegation in the same season.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Yes, Borley is wrong. 'Be careful what you wish for...' is a mantra of utter cowardice. Either that or it's the mantra of someone who has a vested interest in maintaining the current status quo.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with any Cardiff City supporter wishing the club had a better owner than an individual who has treated the fans with disdain for more than a decade and has just led two different clubs to relegation in the same season.

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Flip that do you want to piss off the only person keeping the club afloat and “hope” they sell to the best bidder not the highest bidder.

Maybe Sam will come back ideal as we know he leaves his debt leaves with him.

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Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo

Flip that do you want to piss off the only person keeping the club afloat and “hope” they sell to the best bidder not the highest bidder.

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I sincerely hope Tan is already pissed off.

The notion that this guy is our saviour and the only person who could or would keep this club afloat just goes to show how weak the fanbase has become. It's Stockholm Syndrome in full effect. Be careful what you wish for, blah blah blah.

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Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo

Flip that do you want to piss off the only person keeping the club afloat and “hope” they sell to the best bidder not the highest bidder.

Maybe Sam will come back ideal as we know he leaves his debt leaves with him.

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I would be happy if he sold to SpongeBob Square Pants. It's got to the "any port in a storm" situation. Hold your nerve!

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Originally Posted by Jonny L

The Trust and the FAB are under total.control of Tan. You've suggested alternatives rather than criticise, however Tan has totally divided the support against each other......

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The Trust is not under total control of Tan at all. And i would wager the FAB is not either. The FAB is a bit constrained by the MOU they signed with the club. Both set ups have very good level-headed people that have fans at heart. If you wish to promote yours or someone else's crusade against VT then go ahead. But do not run other fans' groups down, If you are going to state that the FAB and Trust are under control, then give us some evidence of such.
Spedger

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Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo

Flip that do you want to piss off the only person keeping the club afloat and “hope” they sell to the best bidder not the highest bidder.

Maybe Sam will come back ideal as we know he leaves his debt leaves with him.

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Is he keeping the club afloat ? Or is he just consistently making terrible decisions that ends up costing him and our club millions? When did he last hire a decent manager……and then theres the transfer committee….:hehe:

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Originally Posted by goats

Is he keeping the club afloat ? Or is he just consistently making terrible decisions that ends up costing him and our club millions?

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He's doing both.... isn't he?

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Originally Posted by jon1959

He's doing both.... isn't he?

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Thats the hardest thing to understand, why?
Unless there’s a massive financial incentive for when the Sala case is settled, what keeps him involved?

Not every decision you make in business is going to come off, and this business decision seems to keep costing him money?

Maybe there’s a belief that we can be successful and sold off at a higher price? but the last few years haven’t shown that!

Usually you would want to employ the best people you can afford to drive a business forward!

I doubt they’ll be a big launch for Tans guide in how to run a successful football club, if it ever appears

Although the one chapter on go to employ a successful manager would be an interesting read!

Let’s hope that this time he gets it right

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Originally Posted by olderblue

Thats the hardest thing to understand, why?
Unless there’s a massive financial incentive for when the Sala case is settled, what keeps him involved?

Not every decision you make in business is going to come off, and this business decision seems to keep costing him money?

Maybe there’s a belief that we can be successful and sold off at a higher price? but the last few years haven’t shown that!

Usually you would want to employ the best people you can afford to drive a business forward!

I doubt they’ll be a big launch for Tans guide in how to run a successful football club, if it ever appears

Although the one chapter on go to employ a successful manager would be an interesting read!

Let’s hope that this time he gets it right

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There can’t be many clubs that have been managed so badly by an owner? We usually come top of that table

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Originally Posted by jon1959

He's doing both.... isn't he?

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Keeping us afloat while slowly sinking perhaps.

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Originally Posted by goats

Is he keeping the club afloat ?

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In 15 years of ownership we have never been in a winding up petition, which we seemed to be every 5 minutes under the Riddler and PMG. Yes he is keeping the club afloat even if he is making loads of mistakes.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

He's doing both.... isn't he?

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I would say so

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

Yes, Borley is wrong. 'Be careful what you wish for...' is a mantra of utter cowardice. Either that or it's the mantra of someone who has a vested interest in maintaining the current status quo.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with any Cardiff City supporter wishing the club had a better owner than an individual who has treated the fans with disdain for more than a decade and has just led two different clubs to relegation in the same season.

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Is that fact or opinion? I agree if you want another owner because you don't like the current one then you are perfectly entitled to hold that opinion. But it is not fact that things will get better and could make a bad position worse. Borley's opinion is that things could get worse. Would you be happy if he sold out to an American investment firm or hedge fund? I would be terrified if that happened

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Keeping us afloat while slowly sinking perhaps.

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Probably the best description so far

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Keeping us afloat while slowly sinking perhaps.

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Like a giant turd in the local swimming baths

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Originally Posted by NinianKnight

Is that fact or opinion? I agree if you want another owner because you don't like the current one then you are perfectly entitled to hold that opinion. But it is not fact that things will get better and could make a bad position worse. Borley's opinion is that things could get worse. Would you be happy if he sold out to an American investment firm or hedge fund? I would be terrified if that happened

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Half the Premier League is owned by American investment vehicles of one shape or another.

A third of all English football is owned by Americans.

But hey, Vinny is doing a great job.

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Originally Posted by NinianKnight

Is that fact or opinion? I agree if you want another owner because you don't like the current one then you are perfectly entitled to hold that opinion. But it is not fact that things will get better and could make a bad position worse. Borley's opinion is that things could get worse. Would you be happy if he sold out to an American investment firm or hedge fund? I would be terrified if that happened

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Remember how we all felt back in 2010 when we learned there was something to those rumours linking us with a billionaire? It felt like the sky was the limit and, after all of the Hammam bluster and the Ridsdale flying by the seat of our pants, we were set for a time to match or even better anything in our history. Fifteen years later, the same man is in charge and now the word is “things could get worse” - where did it all go wrong?

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Remember how we all felt back in 2010 when we learned there was something to those rumours linking us with a billionaire? It felt like the sky was the limit and, after all of the Hammam bluster and the Ridsdale flying by the seat of our pants, we were set for a time to match or even better anything in our history. Fifteen years later, the same man is in charge and now the word is “things could get worse” - where did it all go wrong?

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Not how I remember it, we had several winding up order, HMRC plus several others. My memory is just wanting a club.

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Originally Posted by NinianKnight

Is that fact or opinion?

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It it a fact that there is absolutely nothing wrong with any Cardiff City supporter wishing the club had a better owner than an individual who has treated the fans with disdain for more than a decade and has just led two different clubs to relegation in the same season.

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Originally Posted by 2b2bdoo

Not how I remember it, we had several winding up order, HMRC plus several others. My memory is just wanting a club.

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Course you did!

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Originally Posted by goats

There can’t be many clubs that have been managed so badly by an owner? We usually come top of that table

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In the 15 years Tan has been here, I’d imagine the fans of Bolton, Derby, Bury, Blackburn, Wigan, Blackpool, Reading, Wednesday, Portsmouth, Notts County and probably a few more would’ve at some point or another bitten your hand off it you’d offered them Tan.

I would rather Tan sold up. I absolutely don’t wish him to sell up to the first available buyer.

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Originally Posted by Canton Kev

In the 15 years Tan has been here, I’d imagine the fans of Bolton, Derby, Bury, Blackburn, Wigan, Blackpool, Reading, Wednesday, Portsmouth, Notts County and probably a few more would’ve at some point or another bitten your hand off it you’d offered them Tan.

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And yet four of those clubs will start 2025/26 in the division above us.

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Originally Posted by Canton Kev

In the 15 years Tan has been here, I’d imagine the fans of Bolton, Derby, Bury, Blackburn, Wigan, Blackpool, Reading, Wednesday, Portsmouth, Notts County and probably a few more would’ve at some point or another bitten your hand off it you’d offered them Tan.

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Would that be the case if they knew a rebrand would happen?

I bet Wrexham, Brum, Burnley, Leeds and Charlton are glad they have different owners

I read the petition statement with interest.
If somebody makes a claim I like to believe it’s balanced.
I am not saying that all is right. Far from it.
But for balance, I have supported City for 62 years, remember the good days under Scoular, all the bad seasons that we had, particularly in the lower leagues, remember the nearly moments under Dave Jones and seeing CITY in the top league for two seasons, 2 from 62+,
both under the ownership of Tan.
Yes change is necessarily, but the right change.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Remember how we all felt back in 2010 when we learned there was something to those rumours linking us with a billionaire? It felt like the sky was the limit and, after all of the Hammam bluster and the Ridsdale flying by the seat of our pants, we were set for a time to match or even better anything in our history. Fifteen years later, the same man is in charge and now the word is “things could get worse” - where did it all go wrong?

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it's almost heresy nowadays to say anything good about the Hammam/Ridsdale era but by heck, they were good, fun, exciting times. The key thing for me that the current owner and his chums just don't grasp is that a football club and its supporters need feel a 'buzz' about the place, things happening, directors keeping themselves in the media. With our distant [in all senses] owner it just feels a bit cold and flat. I've always had a pragmatic stance on Tan, but now I'd wish he'd go. whatever the circumstances, even administration..

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Originally Posted by llan bluebird

Half the Premier League is owned by American investment vehicles of one shape or another.

A third of all English football is owned by Americans.

But hey, Vinny is doing a great job.

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I don't know if you noticed but we are not a PL club we are a League 1 club. But seeing as you mentioned it Manchester United are one of those clubs. If taking the biggest club in the UK to the level it is now (below Bournemouth Brighton Brentford) then I really don't think that is a good advert for American ownership

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Originally Posted by NinianKnight

I don't know if you noticed but we are not a PL club we are a League 1 club. But seeing as you mentioned it Manchester United are one of those clubs. If taking the biggest club in the UK to the level it is now (below Bournemouth Brighton Brentford) then I really don't think that is a good advert for American ownership

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Birmingham did OK last season. Wrexham too. Liverpool weren’t too shabby. Leeds coped reasonably well in the Championship, as did Burnley.

Remind me, how did the Malaysian-owned clubs get on?

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

It it a fact that there is absolutely nothing wrong with any Cardiff City supporter wishing the club had a better owner than an individual who has treated the fans with disdain for more than a decade and has just led two different clubs to relegation in the same season.

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That is word salad. Is it fact that if Tan sold, we would get better? We know your opinion and mine is different. Both are opinions not fact. Now answer the question is it ‘Fact’ we would get a better owner if Tan sold or is it ‘Fact’ we should be careful what we wish for.

To me they are both opinion

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

it's almost heresy nowadays to say anything good about the Hammam/Ridsdale era but by heck, they were good, fun, exciting times. The key thing for me that the current owner and his chums just don't grasp is that a football club and its supporters need feel a 'buzz' about the place, things happening, directors keeping themselves in the media. With our distant [in all senses] owner it just feels a bit cold and flat. I've always had a pragmatic stance on Tan, but now I'd wish he'd go. whatever the circumstances, even administration..

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Very good post. i would stop short of taking administration, but i hear you, and a number of clubs have come back from it better shaped. No doubt we have been held in contempt, not respected and keeping us enthused has been bottom of the priority list.
Spedger

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Originally Posted by NinianKnight

That is word salad. Is it fact that if Tan sold, we would get better?

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Is it fact that if Tan sold, we would get worse?