With regards to US involvement, it can never be a good thing. Didn't we learn anything from the Iraq war?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
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With regards to US involvement, it can never be a good thing. Didn't we learn anything from the Iraq war?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Only two individuals know Jon's real motives for saying and doing what he does, however on this and many other matters he would appear to be so on Israel's case that his comment re WW3 indicates he is so focused on his opposition to all things Israeli that he makes throw away comments like - 'who cares about WW3'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canton Kev
He is free to make such comments although you and he would disagree with me re the ultimate consequences of such a mindset.
Are you really that dense? Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
Two points. Why not let Iran have nuclear weapons - North Korea do. Having them just makes them less vulnerable to bullying from the West [which is prob. why they don't want them to have them], but even if they did, they couldn't use them in anger as the U.S. would wipe Iran off the planet before they had the chance.
Second point. Israel will lead us into WW3 if there is to be one.
I marched against that war on three occasions. It was wholly unjust and nothing to do with 9/11. But that doesn't mean all foreign involvement is a bad thing. We don't know what would have happened with no intervention. Less so in Iraq, which was a disaster, but in other cases.Quote:
Originally Posted by stevo
Disasters in foreign intervention also isn't just a US thing. There's examples across the board of failed and successful interventions. I don't think never doing anything and letting every totalitarian regime develop nuclear weapons is a particularly good idea tbh
He is dense enough to fabricate the opinions of other posters. That has been proven time and time again.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Seems like jaw-jaw is being adopted for a couple of weeks...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c994v4gm9jmt
Could change tomorrow of course. Or by the time I hit "post quick reply"
Another example of the humongous dickhead showing his normal level of empathy and concern for others (not). And his self interest is driving state policy to ensure the part-fascist coalition holds together and that his corruption trials are kicked into the long grass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canton Kev
Meantime dozens of civilians are murdered at the handful of aid distribution points every day and the world doesn’t care any more (our leaders have happily moved on to Iran) or has become numbed/bored.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...srael-backlash
I do wish people would post more about the behaviour of leaders elsewhere in the middle east too. Iran is a repulsive regime who's citizens enjoy vastly inferior rights for example.
Just a suggestion. Netanyahu clearly deserves all the criticism he gets, but others do too.
Netanyahu has just said Iran targeted a hospital a dipicable act?what has he been doing in Gaza.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
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He's been bombing hospitals too, but that wasn't really the point being made.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeepster
Yes we know , we knowQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
You are a mouthpiece for the right
Farage , Trump , SS Netanyahu
Can you go half an hour without making excuses or defending them or saying but yeah but whatabout etc etc ?
Good grief
The World is a complex place but Netanyahu stands out for his evilness.. It's a lot better to analyse individually rather than collectively.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Pritti Patel is a poisonous little freakQuote:
Originally Posted by stevo
Only the Sludgebot could respond to a post that says "X deserves all the criticism he gets" and then turn that into "you've defended X".Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Try again.
That doesn’t answer the question. Try again.Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
What a reflection of the times we live in that so called civilised countries are being led by crooks, grifters and chancers who behave like they’re characters in a soap opera so that we get the will he, won’t he “cliffhanger” of will Trump authorise an attack on Iran? I’m already heartily sick and tired of about 90 per cent of news bulletins starting with something about what the moron in the White House is doing in his never ending attempts to make him the story.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
As for Netanyahu’s Israel, as opposed to Israel, they are bombing a country for the “crime” of being on the brink of having nuclear weapons since 1992, at least, according to the man himself. Yet, contrary to all sorts of treaties and agreements it seems, Netanyahu’s Israel has nuclear weapons of their own and nobody says a word despite them definitely being the most trigger happy and aggressive “civilized”country in the world.
Yes, I know about the Holocaust and cannot imagine what it must have been like for a Jew who lived through it, but the amount of latitude the current day rogue state of Israel gets because of it is inexcusable. Okay, Iran is many of the things it is routinely accused of, but, if Hamas are held by Netanyahu’s Israel to be the aggressors behind the fall out from what happened on 7/10/23, then they have to accept that they are the aggressors when it comes to this situation which has taken the world to the brink in recent days.
Scare event necessary
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Only option available to me the past couple of days has been BBC news, totally unhinged channel desperate for Trump to bomb Iran the decision has already been made they say according to their sources and Trump comes out last night saying he will decide in two weeks 😂😂😂, if Trump does infact bomb Iran, the he will have likely made a decision from intelligence initially from Bibi, I don't think he will and will be smoothed over but if he does, he then joins the war monger brigade and confirms without any doubt to those who live life without TDS that he is owned by the Israel lobby. His base loyalists are turning on each other and it's entertaining to follow, makes CCMB look like a kindergarten club. Will the ME crises result with the deep state end game where so far, the Ukraine Russia conflict has failed ? A war is desperately wanted by those in dark glasses and crisp suits.
Extension on the extension, if he does bomb em, it will probably be a Friday night or Saturday morning so as not to panic the markets and give them time to settle before they re-open.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
That’s considerate!Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
I wonder what's those Chinese cargo planes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
You can't even do the Ayatollah these days without being bombed.
Probably resupplying their aircraft carrierQuote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Immediate denial was predictable.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Yet you can't help painting the same picture on a daily basis.
As you were.
Boom boomQuote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
😂
In Iran?Quote:
Originally Posted by Packerman
Denial of what?Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
You completely ignored the issue in the thread and came back with the implication that anyone who questions Netanyahu’s motives for attacking Iran (or Gaza, or the West Bank, or Lebanon or Syria) is an anti semite.
I am convinced that Netanyahu is mainly driven by self interest - continuing a forever war and promoting external threats - to avoid being convicted of fraud or worse and moving to an Israeli gaol. It is why he had undermined the judiciary and hollowed out civil society for the last decade.
He is also a racist mass murderer and Old Testament waving political Zionist who regards Palestinian arabs as squatters and believes in Israeli (not Jewish) exceptionalism. He believes it partly because he has experienced seven decades of Israel - as a rogue nuclear state - being given arms, money and total diplomatic cover by the USA and the west as it ignores international law and UN resolutions at every turn.
Now he is in the happy position of having a US President in his pocket and with his ‘war’ on Iran distracting world attention again from his apartheid, ethnic cleansing, war crimes and genocide.
When a barbaric theocratic state like Iran commits crimes against humanity it faces sanctions and diplomatic isolation (or worse). When Israel acts that way it gets cover, more arms, a servile and supportive western press, cheerleading from Washington, London and Berlin, and no consequences!
But I expected nothing else from you. You have more in common with the Israeli and Iranian leaders than with their victims, continue to support ethnic cleansing and war crimes, and see the world through the prism of a book of stone age fantasies.
Well put sir:thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Glad to see quality effort posts here on this stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
I'll also add: It's more anti-Semitic to presume all Jewish people are perfectly fine with how Israel has conducted itself on the international stage and that Netanyahu and his cabinet/party speak for all Jewish people as a whole.
There were thousands of Jewish people yet again marching in London on Saturday for Palestine - as part of the Jewish Bloc, as individuals identifying themselves as holocaust survivors (or children of) or as members of other delegations. Jewish opponents of Israel’s actions in Gaza and of the political ideology behind that have been a major part of the Palestine solidarity movement from the start - 27 or 28 national marches since October 2023 - and always amongst the platform speakers at the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coyote
It is the same pattern in the USA where anti Zionist Jewish people - many through Jewish Voice for Peace - have led the Palestine demonstrations and occupations.
Yes, the Markets are important. It took him a while to realise, mind. Hopefully, he's forgotten about the tariffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Isn't anyone talking about the price of eggs anymore,?Quote:
Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue
The US managed to make nuclear weapons in about 4 years with 1940s technology.
they've been saying that Iran is trying to make a nuclear weapon for as long as I can remember.
surely if they'd really wanted to they won have done it by now.
WtfQuote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
Calm down Sludge, just playing with the massive 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Nice try, but everyone including myself have not endorsed all the actions of Israel and I for one have never backed all the actions of any political leader. I have no need to highlight your atttitude towards Israel because you more or less publish it daily.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
The events we discussed here years ago and the consequences for China, Russia, Europe, America, Iran and Israel have moved on to an expected and key phase, and into the position that was expected by those who are aware of the times we are living in, hence my infrequent visits to this board. You and other have all the information you need.
Unfortunately for them lots of the top people involved in the programme have been very clumsy. Allowing their cars to overheat and blowup, or keeping explosives at home and blowing up, one of their scientists managed to get himself shot by a robot. Very short lifespan for the average Iranian nuclear scientist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
The attack on Iran has led to predictable repression and diplomatic collapse. This piece by Simon Tisdall is a powerful summary of the consequences.Quote:
Originally Posted by stevo
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...uclear-weapons
Hanging is the preferred method of execution in Iran, although stoning and crucifixion offer alternative options for an ever-vengeful theocracy. Death by hanging is not necessarily quick. Strangulation and suffocation can take several minutes. The UN says more than 600 people have been judicially murdered so far this year. Iran has more executions per capita than any country in the world. Since June’s US and Israeli attacks, growing numbers of victims are political dissidents.
Fifty days on, nothing remotely positive has resulted from the illegal bombing raids and missile strikes mounted by the US president, Donald Trump, and Israel’s leader, Benjamin Netanyahu, despite their boasts of world-changing success. Iran’s nuclear facilities were not obliterated, as Trump claimed. Tehran has not abandoned uranium enrichment. The regime did not fall, despite Netanyahu’s call for an uprising. If anything, the supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, is more defiant. He has since launched a new crackdown on opponents, hence the executions.
Deploring last weekend’s hanging of political prisoners Behrouz Ehsani and Mehdi Hassani, Amnesty International linked their fate to the US-Israeli attacks. Arrested in 2022, the two men were charged with rebellion and “enmity against God”. They were tortured, forced to sign confessions and sentenced last year after a five-minute trial. The decision to execute them now “highlights the authorities’ ruthless use of the death penalty as a tool of political repression in times of national crisis to crush dissent and spread fear”, Amnesty said.
Hundreds have been arrested since June in a regime drive to unmask spies and collaborators, real or imagined. Glaring intelligence failures that, for example, allowed Israel to locate and bomb a national security council meeting, injuring Iran’s president, Masoud Pezeshkian, are officially blamed not on gross incompetence but supposed fifth columnists. Iran’s parliament wants to expand use of capital punishment. Up to 60 political prisoners face execution.
This typically harsh reaction by clerical hardliners around Khamenei, and within the judiciary and Revolutionary Guards, comes despite a surge in patriotic sentiment after the attacks, which reportedly killed at least 935 people, mostly civilians, and injured more than 5,000. By intensifying repression, the regime squandered a chance to harness public anger, not least against Britain and European governments that turned a blind eye.
US-Israeli actions have had other far-reaching, negative consequences. The attacks breached the UN charter and international law, as the Brics group of “global south” countries noted. They led Tehran to suspend UN nuclear inspections. They exacerbated US-Europe divisions. And, ironically, they increased the likelihood of Iran building a bomb for self-defence.
Worse than I thought then.