Unlike the last few years of rising council tax and falling services which have been an absolute barrel of laughs for all involved!Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
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Unlike the last few years of rising council tax and falling services which have been an absolute barrel of laughs for all involved!Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Corbyn and Sultana finally got their act together (or more likely, Corbyn finally got his act together) and announced a new party.
Temporarily called 'Your Party'.
It may crash and burn like most of the previous left parties in recent decades, but this time the state of Labour and the breakdown of traditional voting patterns (along with the rise of populism and the impact of social media) it may be different.
The pitch is this:
It’s time for a new kind of political party. One that belongs to you.
The system is rigged.
The system is rigged when 4.5 million children live in poverty in the sixth richest country in the world. The system is rigged when giant corporations make a fortune from rising bills. The system is rigged when this government says there is no money for the poor, but billions for war.
We cannot accept these injustices – and neither should you.
We will only fix the crises in our society with a mass redistribution of wealth and power. That means taxing the very richest in our society. That means an NHS free of privatisation and bringing energy, water, rail and mail into public ownership. That means investing in a massive council-house building programme. That means standing up to fossil fuel giants putting their profits before our planet.
Meanwhile, millions of people are horrified by the government’s shameful complicity in genocide. We believe in the radical idea that all human life has equal value. That is why we defend the right to protest for Palestine. That is why we demand an end to all arms sales to Israel. And that is why we will carry on campaigning for the only path to peace: a free and independent Palestine.
Our movement is made up of people of all faiths and none. The great dividers want you to think that the problems in our society are caused by migrants or refugees. They’re not. They are caused by an economic system that protects the interests of corporations and billionaires. It is ordinary people who create the wealth – and it is ordinary people who have the power to put it back where it belongs.
It’s time for a new kind of political party. One that is rooted in our communities, trade unions and social movements. One that builds power in all regions and nations. One that belongs to you.
Sign up at www.yourparty.uk to be part of the founding process, leading to an inaugural conference. At this conference, you will decide the party’s direction, the model of leadership and the policies that are needed to transform society. That is how we can build a democratic movement that take on the rich and powerful - and win.
Real change is coming.
Jeremy Corbyn MP Zarah Sultana MP
https://www.yourparty.uk/#/
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...leftwing-party
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2795189.html
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdeze706jw8o
https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-co...party-13401114
https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articl...rbyn-led-party
140,000 signed up today in under 10 hours
That's Farage as PM thenQuote:
Originally Posted by fingers
Cheque signed by Corbyn
If he had waited for Starmer to fold it wouldn't have mattered
Selfish
Brilliant news! I'm excited!Quote:
Originally Posted by fingers
It's been a long time coming. Will be interesting to see what they come out with. If it's genuinely in tune with working class opinions or just a load of middle class guardian guff.
I sadly suspect the latter but I will be keeping a keen and open mind
I checked the governmental website (i.e. UKIPO) that deals with the application and registration of trade marks yesterday - and it seems that Jeremy Corbyn made a submission for a 'word mark' (a trademark defined by words and not a logo, the other type of trade mark) on 7 July this year.
The classes (i.e. categories) that the TM is to fall into are all related to politics.
The word itself is not visible yet but the procedure is for applications to eventually be promulgated to all other TM owners with similar TMs in the same categories lest they want to make any objections to the applications.
Until that process is cleared the TM won't be registered.
Just sayin'
P.S. Having subsequently checked elsewhere for domain name (i.e. website) registrations, 'Your Party' (supposedly just a temporary name) seems to be included in a tranche of domains that are not currently used - the only one in use being the website bring used to garner interest in Corbyn's new party.
For the sake of just over a quid for 12 months I have nabbed one that was still available lest the reason for the name being temporary is because the TM hasn't passed through the system.
Thinking back to my trademark examining days, I think the mark “your party” for things like political management and administration would have caused a lot of discussion in the office. I’d have edged towards allowing it because I reckon it’s got a little bit of distinctiveness. However, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if the mark was objected to by a third party in the manner you mention and often it would be a case of the mark applied for having to prove it had “acquired distinctiveness” over a period that would usually be measured in years and, of course, Corbyn’s new party doesn’t have that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
In saying that, it’s sixteen years since I worked in Trade Marks and the examination criteria may have changed in that time.
As you know, the objective is for a new application not to be confused with any existing ones and whilst not throwing a blanket over generic terms already widely used in the classes of products and services concerned. That would perhaps represent what you consider to be the distinctive component - as it should any consequential confusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Please can we get back on trackQuote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
Cheers
A facebook post from Zarah Sultana midday today:
Attachment 6621
I'm not so sure about that. As things stand, I can quite easily see Labour, Your Party, Tories and Reform getting an equal share of the vote. It will be interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Starmer isn't the only thing wrong with Labour, so if he did fold, I can't see it fixing all their issues.
At present reform are on 30 percent ...that may give them a small majority but if not DEFINITELY make them the biggest party in a hung parliament and therefore the right to try and form a governmentQuote:
Originally Posted by stevo
That will clearly be with the Tories because even if they are only say 15 percent that gives a workable majority
Scary
The other parties are poncing about here and are walking blindfolded into being cut adrift
Either form an electoral pact and stand on an anti reform platform and make deals afterwards or labour will clearly need to get starmer put in a siberian prison and get a leader in who can at least pull a few votes into the middle
These are the only two options
Another left wing party , labour voters going liberal etc are just going to hand farage the big job
In Wales Labour are in such a bad way I think only voting Plaid will possibly stop reform ....I am going to be voting tactically to keep farage out , independent , green , Plaid even tory if it meant for now he was stopped
The Labour Party need to grow some bollocks NOW and start the process of getting starmer replaced, I havnt met one fellow labour voter who thinks he has any positives at all , its absolutely desperate out there ...if local activists want him gone then its clear the voting public wont back him
Blair , even after his ego driven appalling attack on Iraq still had a element of support and carried an election ...Starmer cant carry a bag of shopping without dropping it and breaking all the eggs
Are you going to tell something new, old fruit?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...tana-new-party
Zack Polanski, the Green party leadership candidate, has said he may be willing to cooperate with a new leftwing party led by Jeremy Corbyn and Zarah Sultana, after calls for the two groups to form an alliance.
Polanski emphasised that any decision would be for Green members, and would depend on the eventual form of the as yet unnamed party, which currently does not officially exist.
His comments to the Guardian open up a divide with his competitors for the leadership, Adrian Ramsay and Ellie Chowns, who have warned against the Greens becoming “a Jeremy Corbyn support act”.
A day after Corbyn and Sultana jointly launched a website for people to register interest, with the interim title of Your Party, a leftwing campaign group called for it to seek a formal alliance with the Greens in England and Wales.
We Deserve Better, which argues for electoral pacts on the left, said a united ticket for the Greens and the new party had the potential to unseat dozens of Labour MPs, whereas both running could split the vote.
Polanski, the Greens’ deputy leader, has built his push for the leadership around the idea of making the party a mass-membership “eco-populism” organisation that could take on not only Labour but also Reform UK.
Somebody please tell me the "Your Party" name is only a temporary placeholder. I'd personally prefer "The People's Party"
Up to 250,000 now. I’d love their membership number to go above Labour’s - Starmer’s mob deserves that.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
It is a temporary name.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
A permanent (and hopefully better) name will be decided by the members of the new party - maybe at the founding conference which is being organised.
Sadly the chances of Party McPartyface are going south!
https://x.com/wearecollectiv_/status...23652024819815Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Have you missed the " us " in that statement , old fruit ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
Indeed. I shall self-flagellate and join TOBW on the naughty step.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Well make it quick , there is no time for mindless personal indulgent these days on hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
Plenty of Reform snowflakes commenting I SEE.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
You may have to join us there then, old fruit.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I'll organise a whip round for youQuote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
Probably just people making an observation that a quarter of a million people have signed up to a far-left party set up by an old war horse kicked out of his last party for racism, that has no name and even less policies? Seems a reasonable thing to not overly excited about.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I thought you didn't make things up, James. Seems I was wrong about that!Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
What did happen then?Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-65102128
But my wider point was hundreds of thousands of people signing up for something with no name and no policies.
Bit odd 🤣
It is the beginning of a process. It indicates the level of support for a radical party of the left. It may collapse. It may become odd. But not yet - and it may succeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Bit of a statement on how the two main parties are perceived these days I’d say. People are desperate for something different from Conservatives and Labour. As for your allegations of so called racism, all sorts of decent, ordinary people (even inciuding thousands of Jews) are labelled “anti Semitic” because they recognise what Netanyahu’s Israel is doing in Gaza for what it is. There is a need for a new party on the left for all sorts of reasons, not least of them being that the traditional party of the left is increasingly out of touch with what the country is thinking when it comes to Gaza.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Still, if three hundred thousand people signed up for something without a name or policies in an area of politics not to your liking you would definitely be making references to koolaid!Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Ah,that's okay then! Not my allegations!Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
I do agree there is a need for a party firmly on the left, representing a segment of public opinion, as there is in most countries 👍
My point was that anti Semitism, like racism, is a charge which gets thrown about too easily these days. I’ve never been that big a fan of Corbyn, but I’ve never thought of him as a racist and I’m not going to start doing it because Starmer’s Labour says he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Well, they’re halfway towards the party with the lead in the opinion polls with the no policies bit - although I’m not being fair there, Reform does have one policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I think they've got two...Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
1. Xenophobia rules ok!
2. MEGA (Make Elites Great Again)
Another example of 'anti Semitism' being used (by the Israeli government and the Telegraph) as casual abuse of anyone or any organisation that challenges the actions of the Israeli state or Israeli citizens. After the cynical lies about Maccabi fans in Amsterdam last year this one about racist French-Israeli teenagers on a Spanish flight (until thrown off) is no surprise.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
https://www.thecanary.co/trending/20...dmarsdn8syijsb
It is Israeli government policy to label all of its critics as anti Semites (especially the Jewish ones) and that is echoed by too many western governments and institutions that adopted the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance definition of anti semitism (against the opposition of its main author) that conflates hostility towards Jewish people with anti Zionism or criticism of the State of Israel.
I agree with most of that, save for the mantra of nationalisation. There is a place for private/public collaboration, not everything non-public needs to be looked at with suspicionQuote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Pride comes before a fall.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
:yikes:Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY