If another club..........................

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

at least with no new players so far the transfer 'committee' hasn't been able to waste any more money..

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:hehe::hehe:

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

We are skint, maybe he doesn't want to keep spending Xmillion a year on a club, where the fans are protesting to try and remove him as owner, it's a pretty toxic situation to be fair, whats the saying don't bite the hand that feeds you.

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**** him. He’s been feeding us shit for years.

I'm genuinely surprised by how negative this thread is overall.

Some are even suggesting that we might be in danger of going down again.

I genuinely think that even if we don't make a single signing this summer we will be one of the stronger teams in the division.
Of course that's no guarantee that we will go straight back up, but I for one am looking forward to the new season with anticipation of winning a fair few more games than we have in recent seasons.

If we take an example line-up, off the top of my head:.

Alnwick

Ng Fish Chambers Bagan

Wintle

Colwill Robertson

Ashford Salech Davies

I don't think there's a single player there that wouldn't be a really good signing for many clubs at this level.
And that's not even including the likes of Robinson, Turnbull, Willock etc hell even Horvarth or Daland

Some people seem to think that league one football is completely different to the championship, and you need a specific type of player to be successful - I don't think that's the case at all. the league one football I saw last season was very much like the championship with less overall quality on show.

I think we will be fine.
I'm sure i#ll be reminded of this if we're 12th after 6 games or something but meh.

Id be delighted with 12th after 6 games and 46.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Id be delighted with 12th after 6 games and 46.

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"Delighted"? Really?

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Originally Posted by City123

"Delighted"? Really?

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Yep - There is hope now of a takeover. Tan and co are only going to drag us further down.

Consolidate next season and pray we have new owners next season.

This squad is weak. Mid table id take that.

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Originally Posted by rich munn

Much better to have 3 or 4 good signings in due course than a rash of journeymen now, and after our new long-term manager has had a chance to evaluate the squad he has.

Too much need to see something happen immediately on here.

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Obviously. But not signing players now doesn't guarantee we'll sign better later. When there are fewer to choose from. We need to hit the ground running. The failure of a takeover bid could **** our whole season.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Obviously. But not signing players now doesn't guarantee we'll sign better later. When there are fewer to choose from. We need to hit the ground running. The failure of a takeover bid could **** our whole season.

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Not signing any players now is not some brilliant masterstroke by the clowns its just general cluelessness and as soon as they've gone the better.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I'm genuinely surprised by how negative this thread is overall.

Some are even suggesting that we might be in danger of going down again.

I genuinely think that even if we don't make a single signing this summer we will be one of the stronger teams in the division.
Of course that's no guarantee that we will go straight back up, but I for one am looking forward to the new season with anticipation of winning a fair few more games than we have in recent seasons.

If we take an example line-up, off the top of my head:.

Alnwick

Ng Fish Chambers Bagan

Wintle

Colwill Robertson

Ashford Salech Davies

I don't think there's a single player there that wouldn't be a really good signing for many clubs at this level.
And that's not even including the likes of Robinson, Turnbull, Willock etc hell even Horvarth or Daland

Some people seem to think that league one football is completely different to the championship, and you need a specific type of player to be successful - I don't think that's the case at all. the league one football I saw last season was very much like the championship with less overall quality on show.

I think we will be fine.
I'm sure i#ll be reminded of this if we're 12th after 6 games or something but meh.

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On paper we were too good to go down last season. Last season we lacked characters and we’ve lost a few so need to get some more in.

As you all know i'm very optimistic when it comes to CCFC, but when have things really gone well for us?. Even when we got to the Prem we got shafted and apart from the odd win both ventures ended in a debacle.
So i'm thinking we won't bring in players to a false over confidence and it will be a hard season.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I'm genuinely surprised by how negative this thread is overall.

Some are even suggesting that we might be in danger of going down again.

I genuinely think that even if we don't make a single signing this summer we will be one of the stronger teams in the division.
Of course that's no guarantee that we will go straight back up, but I for one am looking forward to the new season with anticipation of winning a fair few more games than we have in recent seasons.

If we take an example line-up, off the top of my head:.

Alnwick

Ng Fish Chambers Bagan

Wintle

Colwill Robertson

Ashford Salech Davies

I don't think there's a single player there that wouldn't be a really good signing for many clubs at this level.
And that's not even including the likes of Robinson, Turnbull, Willock etc hell even Horvarth or Daland

Some people seem to think that league one football is completely different to the championship, and you need a specific type of player to be successful - I don't think that's the case at all. the league one football I saw last season was very much like the championship with less overall quality on show.

I think we will be fine.
I'm sure i#ll be reminded of this if we're 12th after 6 games or something but meh.

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its a decent team in the championship ( on paper )

If Turnbull wants to play, he should be decent in L1

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I'm genuinely surprised by how negative this thread is overall.

Some are even suggesting that we might be in danger of going down again.

I genuinely think that even if we don't make a single signing this summer we will be one of the stronger teams in the division.
Of course that's no guarantee that we will go straight back up, but I for one am looking forward to the new season with anticipation of winning a fair few more games than we have in recent seasons.

If we take an example line-up, off the top of my head:.

Alnwick

Ng Fish Chambers Bagan

Wintle

Colwill Robertson

Ashford Salech Davies

I don't think there's a single player there that wouldn't be a really good signing for many clubs at this level.
And that's not even including the likes of Robinson, Turnbull, Willock etc hell even Horvarth or Daland

Some people seem to think that league one football is completely different to the championship, and you need a specific type of player to be successful - I don't think that's the case at all. the league one football I saw last season was very much like the championship with less overall quality on show.

I think we will be fine.
I'm sure i#ll be reminded of this if we're 12th after 6 games or something but meh.

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A decent team would have stayed up or ? and tbh we have been getting worse over the last few seasons. You could see a relegation coming

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Originally Posted by blue matt

its a decent team in the championship ( on paper )

If Turnbull wants to play, he should be decent in L1

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Considering we finished bottom, it's a pretty dreadful team in the Championship, on grass and paper

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Yep - There is hope now of a takeover. Tan and co are only going to drag us further down.

Consolidate next season and pray we have new owners next season.

This squad is weak. Mid table id take that.

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Its weak for the Championship, not League 1

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Not signing any players now is not some brilliant masterstroke by the clowns its just general cluelessness and as soon as they've gone the better.

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:thumbup:

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Originally Posted by City123

Its weak for the Championship, not League 1

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Too weak for the Championship. Finished bottom. So nothing really to go on. What makes you think we won't be a weak League One team? The squad is weaker now than it was in April and May. When we didn't win any games, and took 3 points from 21.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

Too weak for the Championship. Finished bottom. So nothing really to go on. What makes you think we won't be a weak League One team? The squad is weaker now than it was in April and May. When we didn't win any games, and took 3 points from 21.

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Because of the sides that went up last season. Take a look at Wrexham's squad and its full of players who are either past it or were never good enough for the Championship. Steven Fletcher for instance was done at Championship level about 4 years ago, he played 40 games last season, James McClean likewise. Creatively they've relied on Elliott Lee who consistently failed at Championship level. Their squad is littered with those types and they'll be looking to improve it massively (seen them linked with a £5m move for Lewis O'Brien today). Charlton are similar, their top appearance maker couldn't get on the bench at Plymouth. The gap between the divisions is big.

If we keep the squad together we'll be fine. We may not run over teams like Birmingham did and we may not even get promoted, but it certainly isn't a lower half League 1 squad, anyone who's saying it is is catastrophising

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Originally Posted by City123

Because of the sides that went up last season. Take a look at Wrexham's squad and its full of players who are either past it or were never good enough for the Championship. Steven Fletcher for instance was done at Championship level about 4 years ago, he played 40 games last season, James McClean likewise. Creatively they've relied on Elliott Lee who consistently failed at Championship level. Their squad is littered with those types and they'll be looking to improve it massively (seen them linked with a £5m move for Lewis O'Brien today). Charlton are similar, their top appearance maker couldn't get on the bench at Plymouth. The gap between the divisions is big.

If we keep the squad together we'll be fine. We may not run over teams like Birmingham did and we may not even get promoted, but it certainly isn't a lower half League 1 squad, anyone who's saying it is is catastrophising

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yes, spot on.

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Originally Posted by City123

Because of the sides that went up last season. Take a look at Wrexham's squad and its full of players who are either past it or were never good enough for the Championship. Steven Fletcher for instance was done at Championship level about 4 years ago, he played 40 games last season, James McClean likewise. Creatively they've relied on Elliott Lee who consistently failed at Championship level. Their squad is littered with those types and they'll be looking to improve it massively (seen them linked with a £5m move for Lewis O'Brien today). Charlton are similar, their top appearance maker couldn't get on the bench at Plymouth. The gap between the divisions is big.

If we keep the squad together we'll be fine. We may not run over teams like Birmingham did and we may not even get promoted, but it certainly isn't a lower half League 1 squad, anyone who's saying it is is catastrophising

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To me, not getting promoted next season would be a catastrophe.

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Originally Posted by NYCBlue

To me, not getting promoted next season would be a catastrophe.

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It depends, it might make Tan sell up.

I think it is going to be difficult to bounce back but Plymouth have lost half their team, there's no "big boys" ie Sunderland, Sheff Wed kicking around, and Luton have suffered a double relegation. Plus the 3 best teams last season went up, if you had to pick a season to play in L1, this would be it.

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Originally Posted by City123

Because of the sides that went up last season. Take a look at Wrexham's squad and its full of players who are either past it or were never good enough for the Championship. Steven Fletcher for instance was done at Championship level about 4 years ago, he played 40 games last season, James McClean likewise. Creatively they've relied on Elliott Lee who consistently failed at Championship level. Their squad is littered with those types and they'll be looking to improve it massively (seen them linked with a £5m move for Lewis O'Brien today). Charlton are similar, their top appearance maker couldn't get on the bench at Plymouth. The gap between the divisions is big.

If we keep the squad together we'll be fine. We may not run over teams like Birmingham did and we may not even get promoted, but it certainly isn't a lower half League 1 squad, anyone who's saying it is is catastrophising

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They're focussing on Jesper Daland :hehe:

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Originally Posted by City123

Because of the sides that went up last season. Take a look at Wrexham's squad and its full of players who are either past it or were never good enough for the Championship. Steven Fletcher for instance was done at Championship level about 4 years ago, he played 40 games last season, James McClean likewise. Creatively they've relied on Elliott Lee who consistently failed at Championship level. Their squad is littered with those types and they'll be looking to improve it massively (seen them linked with a £5m move for Lewis O'Brien today). Charlton are similar, their top appearance maker couldn't get on the bench at Plymouth. The gap between the divisions is big.

If we keep the squad together we'll be fine. We may not run over teams like Birmingham did and we may not even get promoted, but it certainly isn't a lower half League 1 squad, anyone who's saying it is is catastrophising

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So far this summer, we’ve behaved as if those running the club fully agree with you. I think they’ve got the managerial appointment right, but we’re still run in a “Tan knows best” manner because nothing has been done to tackle the widespread structural problems at the club, indeed we’re weaker when it comes to coaching numbers and placing too much faith in BBM and the two people he’s been allowed to bring in performing miracles on the training pitch.

I look at that squad going to Spain and think it’s weak. It won’t be if something like five of the youngsters step into the first team squad seamlessly, but can they also become the leaders that we lacked last season? BBM is generally regarded to have done a decent job at Rochdale because they were minnows by League One standards - I’m not saying we’re there yet, far from it, but, based on what we’ve seen so far, the plan seems to be to turn us into something resembling Rochdale circa 2020.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

I'm genuinely surprised by how negative this thread is overall.

Some are even suggesting that we might be in danger of going down again.

I genuinely think that even if we don't make a single signing this summer we will be one of the stronger teams in the division.
Of course that's no guarantee that we will go straight back up, but I for one am looking forward to the new season with anticipation of winning a fair few more games than we have in recent seasons.

If we take an example line-up, off the top of my head:.

Alnwick

Ng Fish Chambers Bagan

Wintle

Colwill Robertson

Ashford Salech Davies

I don't think there's a single player there that wouldn't be a really good signing for many clubs at this level.
And that's not even including the likes of Robinson, Turnbull, Willock etc hell even Horvarth or Daland

Some people seem to think that league one football is completely different to the championship, and you need a specific type of player to be successful - I don't think that's the case at all. the league one football I saw last season was very much like the championship with less overall quality on show.

I think we will be fine.
I'm sure i#ll be reminded of this if we're 12th after 6 games or something but meh.

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Decent team on paper, the only problem is that five or six would be out injured most weeks. If we don't sort the training or the medical team out, we will struggle again.

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Considering we finished bottom, it's a pretty dreadful team in the Championship, on grass and paper

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Down to the Manager's though, they would have stayed up if they'd changed with fifteen to go, it's not as bad a squad as people are saying. The problem is I'm still not convinced on this one yet.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Decent team on paper, the only problem is that five or six would be out injured most weeks. If we don't sort the training or the medical team out, we will struggle again.

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Chambers and Fish at cb is exceptionally weak. Ng is injured.

Hopefully Lawlor steps up. However we need new players through the spine of the side and it doesn't look like its happening.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

Down to the Manager's though, they would have stayed up if they'd changed with fifteen to go, it's not as bad a squad as people are saying. The problem is I'm still not convinced on this one yet.

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Yes, despite all the evidence to the contrary and this lot consistently finishing about 20th or lower for 3 out of 4 seasons, it's just the manager's fault.

I just don't know what you're basing any of this on? They're not very good and they keep showing us!

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Yes, despite all the evidence to the contrary and this lot consistently finishing about 20th or lower for 3 out of 4 seasons, it's just the manager's fault.

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12th season before with a weaker squad.

If this Manager is any good, we will be straight back up, it's a piss easy League, Birmingham did it in their sleep and Wrexham were a team of has been cloggers.

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Chambers and Fish at cb is exceptionally weak. Ng is injured.

Hopefully Lawlor steps up. However we need new players through the spine of the side and it doesn't look like its happening.

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I do not believe that Chambers and Fish is exceptionally weak for league one at all.

Also the fact that pretty much all of the players we tried at centre back last season looked bad - even ones who had been really good in the division previously like Goutas - suggests that the problem wasn't just the players being bad, there must have been some issue with the coaching or organisation or something - that many players don't all suddenly become bad overnight.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

12th season before with a weaker squad.

If this Manager is any good, we will be straight back up, it's a piss easy League, Birmingham did it in their sleep and Wrexham were a team of has been cloggers.

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Birmingham spent £35 million - I think it's safe to say we can forget about that.

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Originally Posted by North Cardiff Blue

12th season before with a weaker squad.

If this Manager is any good, we will be straight back up, it's a piss easy League, Birmingham did it in their sleep and Wrexham were a team of has been cloggers.

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McGuinness, Phillips and Grant all walk into the team. We were slower, worse defensively and scored less goals, and everyone else was a year older. The 7 players we signed last summer, bar Robertson, were all largely terrible

This

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So far this summer, we’ve behaved as if those running the club fully agree with you. I think they’ve got the managerial appointment right, but we’re still run in a “Tan knows best” manner because nothing has been done to tackle the widespread structural problems at the club, indeed we’re weaker when it comes to coaching numbers and placing too much faith in BBM and the two people he’s been allowed to bring in performing miracles on the training pitch.

I look at that squad going to Spain and think it’s weak. It won’t be if something like five of the youngsters step into the first team squad seamlessly, but can they also become the leaders that we lacked last season? BBM is generally regarded to have done a decent job at Rochdale because they were minnows by League One standards - I’m not saying we’re there yet, far from it, but, based on what we’ve seen so far, the plan seems to be to turn us into something resembling Rochdale circa 2020.

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Jesus there’s so many pessimists

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Jesus there’s so many pessimists

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Realistically, apart from a managerial appointment which I’m quite upbeat about, what has happened this summer to be optimistic about until the rumours of a takeover prove to be something more than rumours? Our squads got weaker, we have a tiny first team coaching staff and we still have all of the structural weaknesses that have dragged us down in the last decade.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Realistically, apart from a managerial appointment which I’m quite upbeat about, what has happened this summer to be optimistic about until the rumours of a takeover prove to be something more than rumours? Our squads got weaker, we have a tiny first team coaching staff and we still have all of the structural weaknesses that have dragged us down in the last decade.

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At the moment I'm quite pessimistic too - no signings, no structural changes, an underpowered coaching team and regular 'news' reports that dampen any optimism about Bale and his mysterious backers transforming the club for the better.

However, I have become much more positive about Brian Barry-Murphy. I wanted him as manager last time he was mentioned (4 years ago?) because he seemed the best of the options touted. This time I wanted someone with experience of League One promotion and developing youth. BBM though is growing on me - and has the 'youth' box ticked anyway. He is a proper coach, and probably what we need to bring through our (yes, let's hype it up!) 'golden generation' from the Academy. The training session clips from the past few weeks seem to show more purpose and intensity than I have seen for years.

The other positive is that there are 7 youth players at the Spain training camp integrated with the First Team and (apart from Giles) listed on the club website as First Team players - in addition to the break throughs from last season: Turner, Ashford and Davies. They are a year older and a year more developed and experienced than last year. Wrong to put too much pressure on them, but I reckon BBM is the right sort of manager (Head Coach) to give them the best chance.

And Tsunoda - who was a success in Belgium last year.

Overall, still pessimistic because of the lack of signings (squad and coaches) and status quo with Tan and the club structure, but with some positives in the mix. I have no idea what to expect this season.

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McGuinness, Phillips and Grant all walk into the team. We were slower, worse defensively and scored less goals, and everyone else was a year older. The 7 players we signed last summer, bar Robertson, were all largely terrible

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Exactly. The team the season before while not great was stronger.

Also Ralls and Goutas were a year younger.

Last seasons squad was rubbish with a rubbish coaching set up and useless board.

We are completely relying on BBM being a really good appointment and young players really dramatically improving the side.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Realistically, apart from a managerial appointment which I’m quite upbeat about, what has happened this summer to be optimistic about until the rumours of a takeover prove to be something more than rumours? Our squads got weaker, we have a tiny first team coaching staff and we still have all of the structural weaknesses that have dragged us down in the last decade.

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we aren't going to be playing any teams that are as good as the ones we played last year

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Originally Posted by Rjk

we aren't going to be playing any teams that are as good as the ones we played last year

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I wish people would stop this - clubs in league one are not rubbish / easy pickings. The division is full of seasoned gnarled professionals who will be keen to give newly relegated clubs a footballing lesson.

Cardiff finished bottom of the Championship (that's how good we were) - and many of our more experienced and "better" players have departed. If club's require any motivation before playing us in August all they have to do is pin up this message board on the dressing room wall!

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I wish people would stop this - clubs in league one are not rubbish / easy pickings. The division is full of seasoned gnarled professionals who will be keen to give newly relegated clubs a footballing lesson.

Cardiff finished bottom of the Championship (that's how good we were) - and many of our more experienced and "better" players have departed. If club's require any motivation before playing us in August all they have to do is pin up this message board on the dressing room wall!

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nobody will be pinning this message board on the dressing room wall

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we aren't going to be playing any teams that are as good as the ones we played last year

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The squad we’re taking to Spain will only be strong by League One standards if a good number of our young players significantly fulfill their potential as soon as they become regular/semi regular first team players, especially when you consider that there could well be more departures from this group of players.
Of course, spending on a level we saw last summer could transform my outlook, but, let’s face it, we don’t have a good record when it comes to recruitment and, anyway, I suspect that, if we do any recruitment this summer, it’ll be more akin to what we saw in the summer of 2022 under Steve Morison than what happened last year.
I just think that we’re relying on BBM to too large an extent, he and the two coaches he’s been allowed to bring in have got to overcome all of the things that were widely recognized as being wrong about City two months ago to get us success on the pitch because they’ve not gone away at all.