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Coming into the game, I only hadn't seen Nyakuhwa and Mafico. The former definitely impressed me, the latter didn't.
Lawlor did well today too, and Rubin hit a great free kick and some good buildup play. Salech red card unfortunate, and avoidable, but at least shows he's playing with passion, he just needs to not lose his head.
Turner definitely doesn't seem ready in goal.
When it was obvious Jake Dennis had no option but to pump the ball 80 yards upfield, I’d expect any retreating defenders to get the hell out of the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays
Disappointing end to the game. Rubin’s a class above.
They subbed their sending off we couldn't?
Tsunoda looked good before the injury, hopefully it's not anything major.
2-2 and we will have a hard time next season.
I think the scoreline does flatter them a little bit, we just had some defensive issues that will hopefully improve with more co-ordination and leadership on the pitch. The second half's attack and the first half's defence is for the most part the template we should go for here.
If Mafico has played full back before for us, I’ve not seen it. He was on a hiding to nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coyote
I thought Rubin was a class apart. On the evidence of tonight I'd start Lawlor ahead of Kpakio at right back. Nyakhuwa and King did well.
We desperately need a dominant 5, a pacey left winger and probably a 6.
I'm not sure who other than our strikers and Rubin are going to score goals for us.
The formation appeared to such both full backs and wingers further forward than previous seasons and we played with a single, rather than a double pivot. This is going to leave us a bit exposed at the back on times. That said - last season, even with a defensive set up, we were so open to a counter anyway.
But early days. I'm guessing we will be a little more organised come the 3rd August
Agreed, although I'm not sure why he is being fast tracked ahead of Perrett and Twose.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Agreed, but he's not big enough to play centre back in League 1Quote:
Originally Posted by Coyote
The defence still looks ropey, though Lawlor looked solid. They were a dirty team though, the kind of game we probably need to prepare for league one.
Be sure to catch this one. It’s a belterQuote:
Originally Posted by NottinghamBlue
Never want to overhype a young player but I hope we keep hold of Lawlor, he’s passed every test so far at a position where typically young players really struggle
Interesting game. More competitive than usual.
2nd half team definitely better with Colwill, Wintle, Salech .looking good.
Attach wise we look decent, defensively a lot to work on.
As tempting as it is to try to read anything into this fixture , I don't think we can.
Hopefully the injury to Tsunoda isn't bad
Spot on, how anyone can take anything from a joke game like this is beyond me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
It's a pre-season friendly. Not a joke game. I hope BBM learned a lot from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
I doubt he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garth Blue
Why do you say that Pep?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Work it out for yourself, if you can :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Garth Blue
I thought it might be too difficult a question for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Coleman and Mackay both thought friendlies were borderline pointlessQuote:
Originally Posted by Garth Blue
We can have a discussion if you like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garth Blue
Are they a law firm?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
**** me no. What have a done to deserve that?
Perhaps they should pass on their advice to every team everywhere and save them the bother.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
Aren't friendlies a better place than, for instance, training to demonstrate the way teams are meant to set up? Even if it's against Merthyr u19s or a Malaysian team.
Do you do Team meetings in work?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays
:hehe::hehe: a pre season game has got to be better than a running box to box sessionQuote:
Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays
a good set of pre-season games imho gives a team a bit of a head start as the season starts
I bet they learned nothing todayQuote:
Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays
Not really. Are you suggesting that players could just be told what to do and how to play and they go and do it on a matchday? Genuine question; friendlies have always been there and I've never really questioned them as part of the pre-season process.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
If you play against crap teams, at whatever level, you learn nothing. They'll learn more playing vs each otherQuote:
Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays
Just stop for a moment and have a think about how daft that comment is. I grant you the comment is step up from "a joke game". Or maybe it isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
I think that non competitive games are pretty much a waste of time in terms of analysing players, they're training exercises in game format. There's not much to learn from them in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays
Fair enough. Yeah they are training exercises, but I doubt any manager/head coach would be happy to rely on everyday training and then wait for a league game to see who's better equipped to do what he wants them to do. BBM, in the post-match interview, seems to think there was something learned today, unless he's just trying to justify the gallivanting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
https://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news...moving-forward
Brian Barry-Murphy spoke to Cardiff City TV following a valuable workout in a 2-2 draw against Johor Darul Ta'zim in Murcia.
The clash was one of two fixtures the Bluebirds will play in Spain this summer, with David Turnbull and Rubin Colwill on the scoresheet at the Pinatar Arena.
“We wanted to get an idea of where the players are in terms of their understanding of the way that we want to play, and seeing how that materialises under pressure in a competitive game." Brian began.
"Tonight was a competitive game, so that gave me a lot of food for thought and it’s clear that we have a lot of work to do, as we would expect at this stage of the season.
“It was a competitive game in an environment that, due to the weather, can feel uncomfortable. To have a standard of opposition like that, who have done so well over the course of previous seasons and are unbeaten in a huge amount of games, for our lads to feel that type of game where there is stress and there is pressure, it’s very good for them.
"We can have all the training games that we want, but it doesn’t quite have the same feel of playing an opponent that you don’t quite know. There was a lot of learning for us and insight into the players when they become under pressure, where they can improve, and a lot of good signs for us moving forward."
City showed real appetite to press and win the ball back throughout the contest, with the two sides' defences coming out on top in the first half, resulting in a goalless opening period.
Brian continued: “I felt that we sometimes misinterpreted the way that we wanted to play and weren’t progressive enough in terms of how we wanted to attack and move the opponent from side to side. We were a little bit in a rush to do certain things and were unproductive.
"In the second half, you saw an improvement in that. Our understanding of how to attack efficiently was better. The players were really aggressive in wanting to create chances.
“In the first half, we were a little bit rushed to attack on one side and didn’t switch play effectively enough, but in the second half, we managed to do that more effectively, and as such the attacking opportunities were more obvious.
"That was evident in the way that we attacked to score our first goal and created the chance that gave us the free-kick for the second goal. It’s nice to get goals for the players, to give them a reward for their play and understand how important it is to have those finishing actions to make the game the way we want it.
"I think it’s good for the players to understand how much work we have to do. It’s going to be a really important process that they will go through and as long as they have an open mind and a want to develop, we will improve quickly."
The Bluebirds' wide players posed a threat throughout the contest, whilst also making contributions to the side's defensive structure.
“The demands of the way that we want to play for those wide players means that we want to attack from both wide areas, but also defend for the team," Brian explained.
"There isn’t really much discussion on that - it’s non-negotiable. The players understand the role and its importance in how we attack, but it’s just as important for the team that they defend and be a part of a strong unit, so they will get used to the way that we want them to operate.
"There’s good competition in the wide areas and as the pre-season progresses, the sense of being in the best possible shape to compete and try and start the season will be evident, and we’re very keen to have that in the squad."
Thing is, it's not like there are options out there, so friendly games have to happen i suppose. What managers and coaches take out of them would be interesting to know. I can only give my opinion, right or wrong, and whatever we saw this evening won't look like that in a competitive setting, as you well know yourself. We could even extend that to cup games, which are becoming increasingly uncompetitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays
So not a joke game then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
I have played in friendlies, admittedly nowhere near a professional standard but trust me, if the opposition is garbage they're borderline pointless. Fitness is the most you get out of them. You'll think, "oh that worked" and then in the real world, in a league game vs a side that trains twice a week in a league game, it won'tQuote:
Originally Posted by Garth Blue
:hehe: Sorry, only just saw this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluebirdman Of Alcathays