Any spies last night i.e. everyone, will know to play their most physical players against us as we have no defenders who have enough height or physicality to deal with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
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Any spies last night i.e. everyone, will know to play their most physical players against us as we have no defenders who have enough height or physicality to deal with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by splott parker
We need a few League One veterans who can scrap, particularly in the CB and wing-back role.
CB, LWB to cover Bagan and replace Collins/Rinomhota and another winger.
nope...me too ..if he doesn't start knocking in a goal a game, he can feck off back to Sirius in the Swedish allsvenskanQuote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Why can't 23 be mid twenties?Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
They are veterans of League One for a reason - they're not good enough to play in the higher divisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coyote
If we want to get out of this division, we need players who can take us out, not players who are in a comfort zone of staying in League One.
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Originally Posted by NYCBlue
20 = twenty
21, 22 and 23 = early-twenties
24, 25 and 26 = mid-twenties
27, 28 and 29 = late-twenties
But if you want 23 to count as being mid-twenties, that’s your choice I guess. Time is an abstract concept.
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It’s very rare for a team to get promoted without it containing a number of players who are fully established at that particular level but not really good enough to play (or at least be successful) at the next level. For example, the City team that was promoted under Warnock was littered with decent Championship players who weren’t good enough for the Premier League.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five
Horses for courses.
From one Danish striker to another......Ken Zohore is now playing in the Danish 3rd tier, he's scored 1 goal in 11 games for his club Fremad Amagar.
Even if we take 23 to be mid-twenties, Prophet described that as "approaching your prime", so still young for a footballer if they haven't hit their prime yet as they have room to grow according to their own postQuote:
Originally Posted by NYCBlue
Therefore answered the point themselves
Knowing us we'd give them long contracts and fail to win promotion. The same logic of "get in tough Championship players" was followed on relegation from the Premier League and is a large part of why we've declined so rapidlyQuote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
It may be painful at times, but I think the youth are the way to go
At his age, Gyokeres was failing to score in 11 games on loan to the Jacks FWIWQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Tango
The supply to him is very poor and limited at the moment
It's about balance, obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
I've said a number of times in recent months that I'd be confident of City having a good season if the club brought in three or four experienced, battle-hardened leaders. They wouldn't have to be anything spectacular and wouldn't have to cost a lot of money by any means, but this team desperately needs leadership and direction, both on the field and in the dressing room.
I was impressed by Ojo in Port Vale's midfield on Thursday. He's 33 and has been playing in the UK since 2017 for the likes of Scunny, Aberdeen, Wigan, Shrewsbury and Port Vale. I have no idea if Thursday was his usual level of performance, but I thought he had a really good game. He'd have been an asset in City's midfield on the night for sure.
I honestly don't know too much about League One these days, I've watched very little football at this level in recent years, but what I know for certain is our current squad lacks experience, leadership and is often a soft touch. I think if things were left as they are, we wouldn't have even a remote chance of promotion this season.
My concern is BBM is waiting for PL loans.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
If that is the case I hope even if young they are tough and physical.
Ten years have to be split in to three groups. To me it makes sense to have three at the beginning and the end, and four in the middle. But whatever. My point is that it's far from odd or wrong to suggest that 23 is mid-twenties.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
One bad game which we didn't even lose and it's chuck out the kids and get in a load of 35 year old League 1 warhorses
We're straying closer and closer to this
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Delmbox throws his first hissy fit of the season and it’s only August.Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
That's not true is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
But we clearly need some leaders experience and physicality particularly in central defence.
It's also 2 of the most experienced players most are saying need replacing.
most have been calling for the club to have some direction, some identity, use the youth, build on thatQuote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
you are right, 1 game it didnt work out, lets change it, we are only one game away from "lets get Warnock back and sign 30 yr old's on 3 yr deals" :hehe: its laughable at times
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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
What’s laughable is that some of you apparently can’t see this team desperately needs genuine leadership when it’s been blatantly obvious for more than a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
The fact that Chambers is captain and Colwill is vice-captain tells its own story.
In fairness, to me, it seemed Delmbox was the one calling out those who were having a hissy fit after the Port Vale game, rather than having one himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
He’s so dramatic. Literally nobody has said what he claims or anything even remotely similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five
Chuck out the kids? Give me a ****ing break.
I think you misread his post - it was irony, but if you put out a back four of Kpakio, Bagan, Lawlor and Fish, 9 times out of 10 they are in for a hiding. Individually they're all fully capable of playing 90 minutes at this level, but not altogether. There's nothing in our coach's comments however that suggests he's looking to bring in 'experience', just exceptional quality, probably from Crystal Palace's under 21's..Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
ItÂ’s no secret to ourselves that we get outbattled by anyone who applies an ounce of determination (a la Oxford, Portsmouth, Port Vale). PV fans were beside themselves that they had given us a game on Thursday and were praising their team to the hilt. They obviously were unaware we are pretty dreadful. We need to take advantage of the misplaced fear factor for as long as possible until we are truly rumbled in this league or it will be a case of deja vu and on to League 2.
Stevie Wonder can see this team needs leaders and more experience. Yes we need to bring the kids through but not 7 or 8 starting at the same time out of 10 outfield players. You can’t have 3 of the back 4 learning their trade at the same time. You just can’t.
We’ve gone from one extreme under Warnock and everyone over the age of 30 to everyone under the age of 23.
The 3 “senior” older heads showed absolutely no leadership on Thursday night.
oh relax, it was a slightly hyperbolic comment on a messageboard because of the contrast in reactions after one bad game, not everyone approaches life as angrily as youQuote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
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Originally Posted by lardy
I’m totally relaxed. You’re the one who’s whinging. “The kids, the poor kids, won’t somebody think of the kids?”Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
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I agree its about balance, but I'm pretty terrified of the kind of signings our much fabled recruitment team will cook up if they're given the brief of "experienced League 1 players"Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
The team on Thursday was young but there was also some experience in all thirds of the pitch. It may have been his first start but the keeper was a 27 year old who's played at this level and higher before, including the Danish top flight, at centre back was a 30 year old former England international with almost 200 PL games under his belt, our holding midfielder was a 28 year old with over 300 EFL appearances and on the wing we had a 27 year old who played almost 200 Championship games. That's a decent amount of experience, what they lack sadly is almost any kind of physical edge in a game that is increasingly concerned with speed. I reckon the worst thing we could do is bring in someone like Grant Hanley (off the top of my head I think he's available for free) and partner him with Chambers, we'd end up with the worst of both worlds - no youthful exuberance/quality and no physical edge in favour of experience
Personally I think keeping Joe Ralls would have gone some way to addressing the concerns about on and off field leadership, I also think making Chambers captain could have been a mistake despite him feeling like the natural option due to his seniority
The likes of Chambers, Wintle and Willock may be experienced but they are not leaders in any way, shape or form.Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
City were relegated last season with barely a whimper. The team was a soft touch and was often out-battled. In the main, the players lacked fight, courage, direction and leadership. Nothing has been done to address that situation. Absolutely nothing, and that doesn’t bode well for a season in League One.
We need a centre half and a midfielder with a hard edgeQuote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
I tend to agree, which is why I said the worst thing I think we could do is play them alongside any experienced signings, which is what I think would inevitably happen. It would take a brave manager to make Calum Chambers captain, then drop him.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
Something else I'd mention is the recruitment setup at the club, like I said I'd hate to see the kind of players they'd sign with the "experienced League 1" remit. Are they capable of identifying courage & leadership? After all its the same guys who brought in Chambers, Willock et al and loaded our team with slow players
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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
So very true. :thumbup:
Back in the day, they named Will Carling as captain of the Lions...a certain Scott Gibbs kept him out of the Test matches...sometimes you have to do what you have to do
One problem solved - Grant Hanley signed for Hibs (2 year contract) 5 days ago!Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
TLG, I've "known" you on here since 2008, not once during that entire time have you been relaxed. You're more uptight than a parchutist's backpack strap but I generally like your posts so leave me alone :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
We need a couple of players who can manage situations during a game, we don't have any, they all seem to fold up or continue to do the same things that aren't working. I have absolutely no evidence to state this, but i do believe that the children of Pep (nearly any new coach in the age range of 38-45 have way too much influence on how games should be managed these days, and players continue to carry out the coaches tactical wishes when it's detrimental to performance and result. I think that modern coaches are so bogged down in detail that they forget that players can make decisions that suit the way a game is going at any given time.Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
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Originally Posted by Tuerto
Really like this.
I always wanted man u to lose under Ferguson but I think his teams were a good example of what you mean. Yes they were structured and everyone knew their jobs of course but on the pitch you always felt the players would find a way of getting the job done eg in the CL final gary neville sprinted to take a throw in on the left wing from right back that they equalised from as he spotted something.
Fergies man u had so many leaders. Leaders in every position really. Same as wengers arsenal.Compare that to modern day arsenal and man u.
Football was definitely more entertaining in the 90s and most of the 00s until pep came along and killed football.