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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Well you are now voting reform a right wing bunch of idiots , after years of saying you were a moderate , mostly tory voterQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
So that was utter bollocks wasn't it ? 😆
Moderate 😆
Go to bed
Your last paragraph is gibberishQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I haven't voted in an election for a few years.
And the last vote I had in a local election was for Labour.
Admittedly that was for the candidate rather than Cardiff Council as a,whole.
Carers have been treated badly by all parties.
Don't,t forget I was a carer many years under the last labour govt.
They were just as bad as the tories.
And this lot have hardly rushed to help the carers have they?
What do you regard as a Tory then Sludge?
Thatcher privatised the care systemQuote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
Its been an utter disaster ever since
We are stuck with it though as the money involved to take it back under the control of the local councils and health boards would completely cripple us , just like the privatisation of the gas , elec , water etc etc
Thats your shout as you voted for all this
If you vote Tory, you are a tory
What does right-wing mean here? Not supporting immigration rates that bring 10 years worth of people to the country in one year?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Not voting for a party that has failed Wales for 25 years? Or one that even you admit was a failure at a UK level?
You throw words like idiot around because you struggle to pinpoint what's really different about them.
You talk about Tories and right-wing things, like a medieval priest talking about the devil and hell.
Why on earth would I vote Labour? Why would I do that? You tell me.
I voted Liberal SDP or Lib Dems during the Thatcher years dear boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
To clarify are you on about child care social care or both.
It means you and other right wing reform and tory votersQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
You are even closer to the devil than you were before , dont expect me to debate with the likes of you
There is a lot of sophism going on in this thread.
All care , its all completely feckedQuote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
Yeah ok ��
BBC News - Rupert Lowe MP mistook charity rowers as possible 'illegal migrants' - BBC NewsQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdd32lnq445o
JW endorses this idiot and Nike trainers
When did JW endorse Rupert Lowe?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Set you up for an easy open goal there Sludge. All you needed to do was write something sensible and you knocked it four feet over the bar from the middle of the box!Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
When didn't he you mean ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
JW is a reform voter
Until a few weeks ago before he was kicked out over a Lovers tiff with Farage , Lowe represented who JW votes for
Theres loads more far right nutcases in reform , and JW is backing them
As spiralling arguments go, this is a great one! 🤣Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
At least Rupert Lowe only made his laughably stupid post once!
JW you vote reformQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
So your talk of nuance and fair play is utter bollocks
Even a vote for the tories is a push but you could argue your case I suppose
But Reform are nationalistic , sound bite , dog whistle idiots
And you have joined them at the party
Every one of your nuanced , look at me I am a caring tory posts over the year , bollocks , blown out of the water
You are about as nuanced as Genghis Khan
The very fact that you think in order to believe in nuance, "fair play" (whatever that is) or anything else is only possible if someone supports the same party(ies) you do demonstrates how unfit you are to cast judgement on those matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Obviously voting is optional but we have to vote for someone, no? I asked you earlier why I should vote Labour and all you've offered is rambled rants and the usual personal attacks. Don't you think that says something?
You just called me a liar SludgeQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
You really are an ignorant clod at times aren't you
Balderdash!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Sludge is too far gone to reason with as you will have noticed, i just take the piss with him , its the only way. You're a Tory, you voted Reform , same old shit from him day in day out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
"Q"
Organ Morgan!Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
And I think you are a daft old toryQuote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
You're a dinosaur Elwood, stuck in the past and without a moral compassQuote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
I would have been cruder and said B******sQuote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
But the last time I used that word relating to Dorcus he threw a hissy fit.
Anyway I like words like Balderdash.
I just need to find a post where I can say
Disestablishmentarianism
as a response.
One lives in hope Bob
He is like a broken recordQuote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
Should of course have beenQuote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
Antidisestablishmentarianism,
formerly the longest word in the English language
But then I find that certain dictionaries no longer recognize it.
Now it's
pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis
I have to try and use somewhere,!
Oh what the hell.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Bollocks!
I was going to type a more thorough and less crude reply.....but I can't be bothered at this time of night.
Dealing with you and Sludge on the same night is not my idea of fun!
A lot of god botherers and conservatives .....usually the same thing .....dont like swearing 🤔Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
Its all adding up now
You do talk the most arrant nonsense at times.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
So was Dorcus who seems to believe that Centrists have no moral compass.
Hang on.... Has anyone ever seen Dorcus and Sludge in the same room?
If someone votes tory or reform the moral compass issue is a wise angleQuote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
How can someone go to church , think they are all good and holy and vote for the conservatives or their stupid freak cousins reform with the shocking social policies they come up with ?
Its absolutely ARRANT hypocrisy
You do know that there is a flip side to this argument in that those who believe in evolution could believe in the survival of the fittest?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
So all Tories have no moral compassQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
And all you noble socialists are wonderful human beings
Yeah right......:facepalm:
For some reason you seem to think I am a church goer????
And you don't seem to understand that many people who have in the past voted Tory are against the unfortunate move to the right of the current party.
You know very little about me yet you assume to know my views in detail.
And I would not vote for Reform in their current incarnation.
They would have to take a very sharp turn to the centre and the dropping of their more extreme policies before I even considered it
Thats a libertarian view of evolution, a sort of free market approach, not my thingQuote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
Humans adapt , mixed race kids for example , cultures mixing
And of course animal species mix and produce hybrids or mix and adapt to changing environments
Thats of course factual and isn't in the big old book
Yes , left and left of centre vote for investment in education , NHS, schools , social care etc ....definitely moral compassQuote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
Right vote for self , low taxation , etc
Derek Hatton was a socialist snake and Ken Clarke and Geoffrey Howe more liberal party naturals , there are always outliers
And once again you ignore the many millions who regard themselves centrist without being labelled left (or right) of centreQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
The left and right ( and also if I am being honest centrist) ephitets date back to the French Revolution and really do not reflect the nuances of modern politics.
Dorcus in his wisdom(!!!!) called me a dinosaur.
There are several posters on here who can be called that more accurately.
Naming no names....
Sludge!
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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
I am a Mastodon and proud of it
Not sure that's true, it certainly is not universally true. It's also a pretty dubious definition of morality, though i agree it's important to invest in social care and education. Absolute pricks span the political spectrum though.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Honestly I don’t know if that’s a Libertarian take or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
It’s a take that that popped into my mind after smoking Soap Bar In Baneswell about 25 years ago, a few years before moving here.
I found it a paradox then how atheists, which invariably were “Leftish” looked at evolution as a fact (not saying we aren’t spawned from mudskippers) and everything then on being down to Natural Selection. Then the American Right, (which were invariably Christian leaning) would shit all over evolution but be full on capitalist in “let the weak ones die” regarding business and society.
Nothing much has changed apart from platforms allowing people to shout their certainty and those who are unsure or reticent to say what they feel.
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts"
Bertrand Russell
Soap Bar 😆, pound land , home bargainsQuote:
Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue
Good old bertie