And I'm meeting a boat load of migrants in a posh restaurant at 7 to welcome them to our wonderful country. Has anyone got some bunting and Mickey Mouse murals to spare?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
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And I'm meeting a boat load of migrants in a posh restaurant at 7 to welcome them to our wonderful country. Has anyone got some bunting and Mickey Mouse murals to spare?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
1 - Goes without saying that firebombs and threats are wholly wrong. Any group doing so would be proscribed. You also know that's a mischaracterisation of what's happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
2 - There was - and is - a huge backlog. The numbers arriving has grown. The number of hotels in use has declined from its peak but that nearly entirely happened before the last General Election, so Labour can't claim credit for that.
3 - Being "in Europe" isn't the answer. Unless you've been living under a rock for a few years, they are facing the exact same issues, only worse in many cases as they don't have a channel stopping people entering their countries.
As for solutions, it's increasingly clear we need a rapid reworking of human rights laws which simply were not made for this era. You can't have anyone from a country with problems coming into a country with its own (but far less extreme) problems. We simply cannot cope and it's plainly causing very significant social issues. It's also immoral as hell to reward the richest and fittest who can arrive at the cost of others far more needy.
On top of that some real disincentives are needed. I suspect Labour strongly regret their opposition to the Rwanda scheme now.
The people who set the Rotherham hotel on fire and others who indulged in rioting and intimidation are in prison and thats great . No other words are necessary , they got exactly what they deserved .Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I know these days you vote reform so its pointless trying to debate wether trying to burn down a hotel is or is not rioting but the courts put loads away so you keep living in a dreamworld
Two Asian thugs attacking the police ......naughty boys , send them to prison .....loads of racists out of control ...oh we have to look at the reasons , let's not be hasty here
The labour government, as crap as they are have halved the number of hotels being used ....they absolutely deserve credit for that
But its not enough and as you havnt suggested anything apart from Rwanda....which is nonsense .....I will wait for WT to finish his tea and give me stone cold solutions to the migrant situation
Nah Labour haven't reduced the hotels. Well, very marginally. The big reduction came before the general election (see full facts below). I don't view that as great either, as it's just shifted people into HMOs, taking much needed housing and paying landlords a much better rate than they otherwise would get!Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
https://fullfact.org/immigration/asylum-hotels-labour/
So no solutions then , just reform saying they will do something and you clappingQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I laid out a couple of ideas earlier! I'm not sure you have?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
And I didn't mention Reform at all!
SLUDGEBOT MALFUNCTION SLUDGEBOT MALFUNCTION!
Stats from Jamie Jenkins this morning, its a complex subject and as we have seen for quite a period of time, and however/when it is solved these figures aren't sustainable, are they ?
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BREAKING - A record 111,000 asylum claims were made in the UK last year — the highest ever recorded.
Claims are up 90% since 2021.
Almost half arrived illegally, mostly by small boats.
Labour promised control. Instead, more chaos.
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FWIW, i don't blame anyone from a country destroyed by the Bushes, Obama's, & Clinton's in trying to flee from
their homes, its the root cause that needs to be fixed, once this is done the result will take care of itself.
Exactly that. :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
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Originally Posted by jon1959
I can be sensible when i try :hehe:
Hurry upQuote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
You lot wanted to leave Europe...close the borders , take back controlQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Well done
Some of us work doublers and do not start at 10.00 only to finish at 14.30 Private sector can be brutal :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Problem solved! Thankfully EU countries have no issues!Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Its cost us billions to go through all that brexit nonsenseQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Absolutely no better off and will increasingly will be worse off
Well done you reform gimps
There's nothing happening here that isn't also happening in the EU Sludge.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
But stop playing distractions! Where's your solutions to the problem?!
I see you’ve been getting a right old leathering from James Wales. 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
All I have to say is we are a small island with a population of roughly 60/65m
At the moment, we have a national debt of 2.8 trillion pounds !!!!!
We give away roughly 5 billion pounds in foreign aid annually.
We are being run by absolute crack pots. I’m talking both Labour and Conservatives
With that unbelievable, astounding debt, we still can’t run ourselves properly and are making cutbacks on thousands of important public services.
We openly invite immigrants of all race and religion to our country and we welcome them to settle and work here and build their own religious buildings, and communities. That is to be applauded.
We openly welcome thousands of folk fleeing from war torn countries and we help them as much as we can. That is also something to be proud of.
What me and seemingly more and more Brits are not happy with, is thousands of illegal young male immigrants swarming into the country, most of them without passports, and getting housed and fed in hotels all over the country.
The far right activists and knuckle heads want to attack those hotels and the immigrants inside them.
The vast majority of protesters are not racist, they’ve just had a bellyful, and want this situation to be sorted and stopped as soon as possible. Strengthen the borders. Turn the boats back. Now, rather than later. More security at airports, turning back illegal immigrants to where they’ve flown from now, rather than later.Deport all the East European begging gangs. Now, rather than later. Visit every nail bar, barbers, car wash stations, etc, check all deliveroo drivers, and Uber drivers.Weed out the immigrants who have no legal paperwork. Now, rather than later. Why are these illegal immigrants risking their lives to get here ?
If Russia and Israel can continually drop bombs on innocent people while the rest of the world looks on, then we can get tough on illegal immigrants now, rather than later, and cut through all the red tape.
Accept that its never going to be STOPPED....which is what your leader is whipping upQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Management is the only way
Detention centres instead of hotels to process claims
Foreign aid increased , not cut , to target areas where migrants come from
Blimey ....hes aliveQuote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
All your " plans " cost lots of money to enforce ....and reform and his pals want low taxation .....and some of those plans are illegal ....turning the boats back is subject to international law ....not going to happen
Protestors not racist? I think you need to go on a demo and listen to the stuff they are shouting and saying off camera!
Its our there if you choose to look ....Swansea far right groups actively organising these demos locally
Not racist? You really are deluded
Sorry to swipe another posters link but ...https://socialistworker.co.uk/in-dep...-terror-chief/Quote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
These demos are chock full of these people , if you search the police videos filmed undercover of last years Rotherham riots the level of racist abuse was staggering
I meant the majority of Folk who are starting to get pissed off are not racist, they just feel their voices are not getting listened too.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
As for increasing foreign aid? Are you for real? Are we a charity for the rest of the world?
You seem to have plenty of spare time as you seem to be on here most of the day. Why don’t you go into politics and try to practice what you preach?
Don't get in a strop just because you were stopped in your tracksQuote:
Originally Posted by William Treseder
Loads of footage of protestors hurling racist abuse
The idea of turning back the boats is against maritime law
Foreign aid is used to stop migration at source ....its mad , as you say , to stop it
Foreign aid won't stop migration at source. Foreign aid is important but it's a sticking plaster and foreign aid increasing doesn't lead to asylum claims (or immigration generally falling.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
This is becoming a really serious issue and you can't just wave it away like so many have done for so long.
Its an attempt to reduce migration at sourceQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Our involvement in Afghanistan and the middle east , over many many years is one of the reasons why people come here
You cannot stop that , you can only manage it
Its the way of the world and shouting stop the boats , send em back and all that populist stuff , is not going to reduce immigration
We cant stop the boats , international maritime law over rules farage and his supporters
Using basic detention centres on vacant industrial land is a good idea to keep those waiting decisions away from the public .....and clearly the public away from them
People say we are an island .....close the airports , close the ports
Well I have asked for ideas rather than just shouting about it ....how can we close the airports , close the ports ?
Just say.....tomorrow Heathrow is shut , Dover is shut ?
Or ......keep them partly open and funnel migrants into a holding pen ?
How's that going to work , practically ? What's the cost ? If the cost of not doing anything is social unrest then why when its said action on all this would cost billions and lead to higher taxes....people whistle and want to talk about the football ?
Let's hear it
BBC News - Labour's immigration plans at a glance - BBC NewsQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/...rrer=deep-link
Secure borders .....needs lots of investment ....we dont want to fund
Control immigration numbers and come up with promises that are never met ....tories spent 14 years doing that
Efficient asylum process ....current government improving this but again costs money ......taxes etc
Development aid ....goes right to the source of so much migration ....you might think its not up to scratch but thats not the view of those with expertise in this area
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-for-attention
Far-right agitator or leadership hopeful? MPs call hypocrisy as former minister rails against system he expanded.
No one is turning to the guardian on this topic
You have had a rinsingQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Jenrick isnt that bad .....even though hes chilling out with neo nazis
Now its clear he was more than supportive of hotels in his past life 😆
You keep going round and round sonny
What are you jibbering on about now?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1AtpXfhbdm/Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Your mate , who apparently isnt doing much wrong by chilling out with nazis , pulled up on his supportbof hotels
Which apparently now .....are bad 👎
Keep out of that quicksand
I am merely pointing out that you are a complete hypocriteQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1CkGaHS5Eo/Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
What a whopper
The link between right wing tories and the reform foaming mouth crew is like osmosis
You being a prime example 😆....its like morph
Again, what are you jibbering on about now?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I asked you for some realistic solutions about 48 hours ago. I haven't heard anything. I guess you are alright, jack?
I know and the solutions of the missing man who was apparently at work , then having his tea .....farage , the conservatives and you ( a combination of all of these ) has been just to criticise the hotels you have all previously backed 😀Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
The link to the current governments migrant policy was linked for you above ....you have been welcome to comment but seem to have been lost ....here's your chance
But thats besides the point really ...you think everyone who doesnt agree with your pomposity on this is wrong or not taking a very serious situation ....your words again .....er , seriously
Jenrick who you clearly used to support , as a former tory and farage , your new found nuanced friend , are both up to their necks in the fact that they both stir the pot but have come up with nothing
Which is exactly what you have done ....whilst laughably suggesting we are the ones not taking this matter seriously
You are like a pound shop Victor Meldrew
So why were you , concerned about the " children " type and all your mates not out protesting about jenrick setting up all these hotels in 2023 ?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
😆
You have been framed
I've recognized the negatives of unsustainable immigration for years Sludge. Sensible people saw it coming. I don't argue a 2019-2024 Tory position for it any more than I argue a smug home owning liberal who isn't impacted by it position.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Its unsustainable as fck. We are at the point now where there is almost no debate about it.
What topic? Robert Jenrick?Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
So you who have been waving your arms about in a listen to me pseudo academic prose are right and those who want a sensible , managed approach to immigration are wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Ok then 😆
There are feckin millions of home owners in this country who are fortunate to be in that position but have a social conscience and to think they , me are all pansy eating liberals is complete nonsense
Its the government YOU have supported most of your tory boy life that sold council houses , that failed to replace those sold and that from 2010 to 2024 increased immigration massively ....despite every year saying they would cut it .....that are to blame .....its not our fault ( self righteous liberals according to you ) who by arguing for sensible and realistic immigration have stood back
Its YOUR shower of clowns
You voted brexit , voted Boris who massively increased immigration
Now its toys out of the pram .....but at least now you can bounce along to Reform
I have posted up sensible plans regarding immigration ....and referred you back to them ...as you had either ignored them or not got any answers
So get on with it
Twice now yesterday , and again this morningQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
You have provided nothing except to say its the fault of liberal home owning types
Thou doth protest too much my lord ....
It sounds like you need a more varied media diet.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
“My policy always has been that the truth, such as it exists as a singular truth anyway, lies somewhere between the Mail and the Guardian. You need to read both”.
Here’s an idea. All the protests outside the hotels, and counter protests, and the cost of policing them, could be avoided, if all the counter protesters took in one illegal immigrant each to their homes, and gave them a bed, or a sofa to kip on and fed them till their claim can be processed,Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY