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Originally Posted by xsnaggle
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A theory of a conspiracy not being a conspiracy theory :sherlock:Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Not my top 5 - just things that sprung to mind in the couple of minutes it took to write the post. As you hadn't heard of the Dawn Butler story it was in fact a big story at the time but other events got in the way. It probably wasn't the best example to mention at the time and regret doing so. However the events are best described in this You Tube video:Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDFW...el=MahyarTousi
You claimed I was a "dimwit" in a previous post. Do you think "highbrow" is a pejorative? Curious.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
You reminded me of: https://gohighbrow.com/portfolio/lea...think-clearly/
I agree with you to an extent about internal Labour feuding, but on a football messageboard I'm not going to hold back when it comes to what I see as internal sabotage and subversion of what a socialist party in the UK should stand for. For most of my life the Labour Party has been centrist, social democratic, controlled by the right, and a friend of interests and powers that exploit and oppress - with Blair and Bush's warmongering two decades ago the recent lowlight.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
At the same time the Labour Party is organically linked to the trades union movement, has some brilliant committed people amongst its membership, and even in the worst times is a much better option for ordinary people than the main alternative. Even Gordon Brown has a reasonable track record on redistribution and investment in people (Surestart and the other programmes of the 'landslide' terms 1997-2005) - although he did a lot of it under the radar so as not to upset Rupert Murdoch!
If I tear up my membership card I will still vote Labour and do some legwork in elections for our (very good) local MP. I despise Starmer for reneging on his election promises, offering pathetic opposition to the Tories, and for using his position and the party apparatus to purge socialists and anti-racists from membership - but the party and the movement is bigger than the leader, the PLP and the lobbyists and funders who are directing policy.
I will also go 'Sludge On Steroids' when it comes to the clown and his party who currently (mis)govern at Westminster. I'm sure Vindec will be very happy with my balanced approach to political threads on here. :thumbup:
We had a real opportunity under Corbyn, He was simply left wing, hardly radical, yet it shows that the establishment and the PLP are having none of it. I'm still a member, although i don't really know why. My wife and daughter have left, although still vote Labour.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Dawn Butler - take a bow!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta00p3AX18Y
Well, she did on the way out, but good on her!
I see new cases figures today are down again, 39000!
I heard Evan Davies on PM read the number out and then sy something like "But we don't want to talk about that...." nand the go on about something that was intended to demonstrate how bad things are.
they are bound to go up again but t least the dip gives us a little more head room.
The right of the Labour Party cannot stand to be out of power for a second and undermine the left at every opportunityQuote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
If anything, Corbyn was the wrong man to be the leader out of the Socialist Campaign Group, McDonnell for instance would have taken far less shit, though obviously its very unlikely he'd have even gotten on the ballot
Corbyn was a Scandanavian style social democrat, let’s be fair none of the Scandanavian countries scream loopy communist in charge. It’s a fuucking shame and indictment on the UK population they’re influenced by a self interested media, politicians or too selfish to see the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
The 16th of July is the most recent "complete" data set for cases by specimen date which shows 53,998. Cases by date reported goes up to 22nd of July which is 39,906.
N.B. Those behind Zoe App suggest Delta has different presenting symptoms to original wave yet PCR test still limited in symptoms that can be used to book a PCR test.
Patients admitted to hospital most recent data is for 18th of July which shows 788 - between 10th and 11th of October in 2020.
Patients in hospital on 21st of July comparable to between 11th and 12th of October 2020.
Patients in mechanical ventilation beds on 21st of July comparable to between 18th and 19th of October 2020.
Anyone with sense is still urging caution and slow release of pandemic habits, and that taking up the vaccine when invited to.
We also desperately need to help wider world by protecting them from Delta where we can and getting vaccines shared around.
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Originally Posted by jon1959
https://youtu.be/0-Zbf5Wkt7M
And new covid cases still falling apparently, although they will probably rise again as the unlock kicks in. But still far lower than predicted. I don't suppose this will please a lot of folks. It won't suit their agendas.
But don't let me intrude on the political love in on this covid thread will you?
No, I thought not. :hehe:
Well this time last week we were all expecting to be looking at 100 K new cases today, with new cases levelling out and todays case under 40 K, its got to be good news :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Well I’m not so sure about the good news Matt, been away in Pembrokeshire all week, just got back, go to supermarket to restock beer and not a single can or bottle left on the shelves….outrageousQuote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
:hehe::hehe: I grabbed 3 boxes of Beer last Friday, popped in for BBQ stuff and saw the amount that was left, no beer in this heat is just crazy, you should hang your head in shame :hehe::hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
I know….I’ve got some kronenberg a leaving tenant left me but my usual supply ran a bit dry in the last few weeks what with two kids birthdays and a week away west…..I’ll find some later on surely….:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
Earlier this week I walked out of the local Richer Sounds in the middle of an £8k purchase of a projector. Some chavs had come in, no masks. Asked discreetly to talk to the manager, explained I was uncomfortable with non-mask wearers in the store. He said he couldn't do much about it. I said, that's a shame, I'll get this projector somewhere else then. It's no wonder the High Street is dying on its arse if they can't accommodate the basic concerns of customers at these times.
Careful positiveness not a gift on CCMBQuote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
Now that is a real worryQuote:
Originally Posted by goats
its ok as long as you dont attribute any success to the Tories :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by surge
Good for you if you didn't buy it there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allez Allez Allez
I bought online. I did notice that there was a sign in the window today at the same store asking people to wear masks. That projector is still sat there. :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by az city
It seems a lot of folks are taking heed and still wearing masks where there are crowded or close situations in England, but equally a lot of people started to relax some things before the 19 Jul, so there may not be such a big rise in cases in 2 weeks or so as was expected, although we must expect some.
Equally in Wales a lot of people seeing the relaxation in England are not waiting for the 7 Aug to do more things. That might be a good thing by easing the rise in numbers or a b ad thing meaning they rise earlier, depending on how you look at it. But most are still wearing masks in shops and public transport and I think that will continue just from people's own common sense
No mention of the protests around the uk yesterday?? Were they anti vax or anti lockdown? The ones in Cardiff ventured to Drakeford house in Pontcanna I see. Bit over the top but I’ve been wondering when this would happen.
it wouldn't bother him, he lives in the shed at the bottom of the garden.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
Coronavirus infections continue to fall in UK https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57962995
Cases falling with no lockdown measures for first time ever…..
No morning update from bob…..strange:hehe:
great that numbers are dropping. they also dropped right off last summer as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
to early to see what effect the unlocking has had though, need to wait another week for that really. anyone getting tested for it last week likely caught the virus before the unlocking.
Schools only finished last Wednesday for many also so it’s not that……Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Wonder what’s caused the drop in new cases? I’ve heard it said that the very hot spell is behind it because it meant people were spending more time outdoors- that seems logical, but I’m not sure it would have too much of an effect yet on the daily figures, I would have thought it’d be a day or two before the warm weather became a factor.
Uni/colleges broke up a few weeks ago?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Could be, makes as much sense as anything I can think of.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
A couple of articles trying to explain the drop in new cases which leave me thinking nobody really knows what's going on.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57971990
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-across-the-uk
We're definitely in uncharted territory now.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
It is good to see the rates dropping and yes I agree I don't think anyone knows why. I think their just riding it out and see what the autumn brings. Hopefully the success of the vaccination programme in the UK really does bring us as close to possible normal life by then, even if masks and hand sanitizers stay with us a bit longer in enclosed public places (which i've no problem at all with).
International travel seems a long way off unrestricted but from a personal point of view I'm not even thinking about that at the moment.
https://twitter.com/zarahsultana/sta...273600002?s=19
yet more corruption
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A Covid-Weary World Is Facing a Distressing Reality Check Variants and new hotspots show what the virus’s long tail will be like: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...&sref=jjXJRDFv
That inequality is repeated around the globe. According to the Bloomberg Vaccine Tracker, the wealthiest 25 countries and regions around the globe have administered 18% of the total doses given, despite having only 9% of the population.
Those conditions are “a toxic cocktail for disaster,” said Joanne Liu, professor of global health at Montreal’s McGill University and former international president of Doctors Without Borders.
“It’s like climate change,” she said from Tunisia, where she’s helping in the Covid response. “We see it coming, we don’t know how we’re going to stop it. It needs a huge collective effort, meaning solidarity, sharing and equitable distribution of vaccine and goods.”
While caution and collective action still needed here, it's getting to stage where much bigger story is how covid will last for years more in poorer nations before there is widespread vaccination - some not expecting that until start of 2023.Quote:
Just been on a WhatsApp call with old colleagues in Sierra Leone. All reporting friends and family dying. No covid testing and nobody is counting them. They’re bemused that anyone in the west thinks they can put a number on their losses. Asked me can I please help with vaccines…
https://twitter.com/NICU_doc_salone/...19943323037697
And the longer the pandemic lasts, the more variants are produced that may not be protected by the current vaccinesQuote:
Originally Posted by surge
I think staying ahead of the virus in the future will be what it’s all about, a global effort, and hopefully it will just mutate to something that is easily treatable. Reckon a country that does have a variant of concern will just have to shutdown straight away so it cannot spread to others, until it’s checked out etc….Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Looking at the graph on the top right hand side of the linked page, the fall in UK cases is being mirrored in Wales - good signs for more people to be allowed into the football?
https://public.tableau.com/app/profi...eadlinesummary