Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Hope they're all okay Des, but that kind of goes to the heart of what that article is all about - the number of new cases in the UK is regularly around 40,000 a day and, more often than not, one hundred and fifty people a day are still dying of Covid. That article shows that the UK is one of the world's worst countries as far as current Covid rates are concerned and yet the attitude in England especially appears to be carry on as if things were back to normal - they clearly aren't.

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As I just wrote in another thread, it’s just not comprehensible from the outside. Here in Poland things have been back to normal since late July early August. Cases have risen in recent weeks but typically the UK is 20x - 30x worse. I’ve hosted a major customer event in the last fortnight, with visitors from all over Europe & Asia and everyone was very wary of contact with the Brits, to the point where we had to put extra testing & assurances in place. I’m not saying Poland has it right but why is the UK so much worse than any other comparable country?

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Originally Posted by Des Parrot

As I just wrote in another thread, it’s just not comprehensible from the outside. Here in Poland things have been back to normal since late July early August. Cases have risen in recent weeks but typically the UK is 20x - 30x worse. I’ve hosted a major customer event in the last fortnight, with visitors from all over Europe & Asia and everyone was very wary of contact with the Brits, to the point where we had to put extra testing & assurances in place. I’m not saying Poland has it right but why is the UK so much worse than any other comparable country?

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Good question, my instinct is to say that the UK Government in particular have washed their hands of the whole thing and left people to get on with it with the inevitable consequences, but I've just had a look at the Welsh figures for the first time in a while and they're bad as well (new cases over 3,000 and 15 deaths in the past day) - it's certainly not what I was expecting once the large majority of people had been double jabbed.

Thirty seven and forty one died respectively as a direct result of the decisions to go ahead with the Liverpool v Athletico Madrid match and the Cheltenham festival in March of last year;-

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...eld-to-account

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Originally Posted by Des Parrot

As I just wrote in another thread, it’s just not comprehensible from the outside. Here in Poland things have been back to normal since late July early August. Cases have risen in recent weeks but typically the UK is 20x - 30x worse. I’ve hosted a major customer event in the last fortnight, with visitors from all over Europe & Asia and everyone was very wary of contact with the Brits, to the point where we had to put extra testing & assurances in place. I’m not saying Poland has it right but why is the UK so much worse than any other comparable country?

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we have been back to normal ( most restrictions removed ) in the UK since about the same time ( freedom ??? day was the 19th July )

We do test a lot ( normally around the 1 mill per day mark ), so maybe thats why our numbers are higher than other countries, if you don't test then you have low figures ( last time I saw the testing figures for Poland ( which was fairly recent ) it was around 25 - 35K a day ) at the end of the summer I believe Russia had the highest number of confirmed cases, guess what, they were also the highest testers ( even higher than the UK which is going some )


Dont test and you have very little cases , in the past 2 weeks 5 children have had Covid in my daughters class, not one had symptoms and were picked up with testing

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Originally Posted by blue matt

we have been back to normal ( most restrictions removed ) in the UK since about the same time ( freedom ??? day was the 19th July )

We do test a lot ( normally around the 1 mill per day mark ), so maybe thats why our numbers are higher than other countries, if you don't test then you have low figures ( last time I saw the testing figures for Poland ( which was fairly recent ) it was around 25 - 35K a day ) at the end of the summer I believe Russia had the highest number of confirmed cases, guess what, they were also the highest testers ( even higher than the UK which is going some )


Dont test and you have very little cases , in the past 2 weeks 5 children have had Covid in my daughters class, not one had symptoms and were picked up with testing

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And yet our deaths figures are higher than most other countries.

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Originally Posted by blue matt

we have been back to normal ( most restrictions removed ) in the UK since about the same time ( freedom ??? day was the 19th July )

We do test a lot ( normally around the 1 mill per day mark ), so maybe thats why our numbers are higher than other countries, if you don't test then you have low figures ( last time I saw the testing figures for Poland ( which was fairly recent ) it was around 25 - 35K a day ) at the end of the summer I believe Russia had the highest number of confirmed cases, guess what, they were also the highest testers ( even higher than the UK which is going some )


Dont test and you have very little cases , in the past 2 weeks 5 children have had Covid in my daughters class, not one had symptoms and were picked up with testing

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Us testing more doesn’t make a difference if you compare the positivity rate and death rates.

I’ve actually got no idea why we are so much worse than everywhere else. Covid passports and mask mandates help, but to this extent?

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

And yet our deaths figures are higher than most other countries.

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countries appear to count Covid deaths in different ways though, so even with deaths you can't really compare like for like

it is all rather pointless comparing situations in other countries unless the playing field is level

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Originally Posted by blue matt

countries appear to count Covid deaths in different ways though, so even with deaths you can't really compare like for like

it is all rather pointless comparing situations in other countries unless the playing field is level

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How are they counting them differently? They’re not counting them differently enough to account for ours being as high as they are in comparison.

The difference in the level playing field could be more because we are live in quite densely populated areas and use public transport a lot in this country. But even then I can’t imagine why it’s so much worse.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

How are they counting them differently? They’re not counting them differently enough to account for ours being as high as they are in comparison.

The difference in the level playing field could be more because we are live in quite densely populated areas and use public transport a lot in this country. But even then I can’t imagine why it’s so much worse.

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we are counting people who have had Covid in the 28 days before death aren't we ( unless thats changed ) some are just counting it when Covid is the cause of death ( or in a close indirect way )

Could they put the alert level back up so we don't have to go down to watch Cardiff play anymore?

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Originally Posted by City123

Could they put the alert level back up so we don't have to go down to watch Cardiff play anymore?

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No one will under this shitshow now anyway, barely any went to reading and West Brom games

Highest UK deaths in a day since March, you can dress it up how you like about other countries counting things differently, but this is getting much too much like Spring 2020 and last winter for my liking.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...hs-since-march

Only 45 deaths yesterday though, so maybe some recorded deaths have carried over to today ( which has happened in the past )

Must admit I would be wary of hugging my grandchildren at the moment! We don't see them very often during term-time as we live quite a way from them but it is scary the number of children who are being sent home to self-isolate because there are cases of COVID in their school. Also we have not had the booster jab yet, so feeling slightly more vulnerable than previously.

Sadly today, we found out that my Brother in law has been declared terminally ill with Covid. I wrote a few days back somewhat light heartedly that 6 of my immediate family all have Covid despite being double jabbed.

My BinL has dementia but none of us expected this turn of events & so quickly. The doctors have said that all of his body functions has ceased and there is nothing they can do other than wait for the inevitable.

virtually everyone I know has had Covid, including myself but this is the first time ( & hopefully the last ) of this ending.

We just prey & wait. :(

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Originally Posted by Des Parrot

Sadly today, we found out that my Brother in law has been declared terminally ill with Covid. I wrote a few days back somewhat light heartedly that 6 of my immediate family all have Covid despite being double jabbed.

My BinL has dementia but none of us expected this turn of events & so quickly. The doctors have said that all of his body functions has ceased and there is nothing they can do other than wait for the inevitable.

virtually everyone I know has had Covid, including myself but this is the first time ( & hopefully the last ) of this ending.

We just prey & wait. :(

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Sorry to hear that mate

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Originally Posted by Des Parrot

Sadly today, we found out that my Brother in law has been declared terminally ill with Covid. I wrote a few days back somewhat light heartedly that 6 of my immediate family all have Covid despite being double jabbed.

My BinL has dementia but none of us expected this turn of events & so quickly. The doctors have said that all of his body functions has ceased and there is nothing they can do other than wait for the inevitable.

virtually everyone I know has had Covid, including myself but this is the first time ( & hopefully the last ) of this ending.

We just prey & wait. :(

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:frown: sorry to hear your news, best wishes to you and your family

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Originally Posted by goats

No one will under this shitshow now anyway, barely any went to reading and West Brom games

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I received a letter confirming my booster vaccine on 24 November and after hearing someone in charge of a body set up to counter Covid saying we have more cases than the rest of Europe put together, that strikes me as another valid reason to give City a miss for a month or so to add to all of the other ones currently.

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Originally Posted by Des Parrot

Sadly today, we found out that my Brother in law has been declared terminally ill with Covid. I wrote a few days back somewhat light heartedly that 6 of my immediate family all have Covid despite being double jabbed.

My BinL has dementia but none of us expected this turn of events & so quickly. The doctors have said that all of his body functions has ceased and there is nothing they can do other than wait for the inevitable.

virtually everyone I know has had Covid, including myself but this is the first time ( & hopefully the last ) of this ending.

We just prey & wait. :(

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Sad to read Des, it seems worse with someone who’s been double jabbed somehow, my best wishes to you and your family.

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Originally Posted by blue matt

Only 45 deaths yesterday though, so maybe some recorded deaths have carried over to today ( which has happened in the past )

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Deaths always low on a Monday because Sunday reporting is always low.

7 day average and week to week is how to view it and unfortunately it’s getting bad.

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Originally Posted by Des Parrot

Sadly today, we found out that my Brother in law has been declared terminally ill with Covid. I wrote a few days back somewhat light heartedly that 6 of my immediate family all have Covid despite being double jabbed.

My BinL has dementia but none of us expected this turn of events & so quickly. The doctors have said that all of his body functions has ceased and there is nothing they can do other than wait for the inevitable.

virtually everyone I know has had Covid, including myself but this is the first time ( & hopefully the last ) of this ending.

We just prey & wait. :(

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Sorry to hear this, hope your family are ok.

Strangely, hardly any cases in my kids school, 2 confirmed in each year (4&6) since start of term……dont know any adults who have had it lately either which wasn’t the case last Christmas. No masks in England making the difference?

I'm in Honfleur, France at the moment. Can't go into a bar or restaurant without a vaccination pass. Everybody wearing masks in shops.
Covid rate and death rate really low. Can't believe the French could be so disciplined. Puts us to shame.

Over 4.000 new cases in Wales over the last twenty four hours and deaths consistently in double figures.

https://public.tableau.com/app/profi...eadlinesummary

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Us testing more doesn’t make a difference if you compare the positivity rate and death rates.

I’ve actually got no idea why we are so much worse than everywhere else. Covid passports and mask mandates help, but to this extent?

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Obesity may play a part. Only two countries in Europe trump us on that front according to https://www.theweek.co.uk/96429/ten-...ries-in-europe

And according to https://www.gov.uk/government/news/n...rotect-the-nhs
"Nearly 8% of critically ill patients with COVID-19 in intensive care units have been morbidly obese, compared with 2.9% of the general population."

Wales has the highest case rates in the UK apparently, yet we have masks, vaccine passports and the like still going on….how is this occurring I wonder?

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Originally Posted by goats

Wales has the highest case rates in the UK apparently, yet we have masks, vaccine passports and the like still going on….how is this occurring I wonder?

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Today’s surveillance report also shows in rough terms - half of cases are in the under 18’s. Only 1.5 kids in a thousand go to hospital, and just 1 in 100.000 pass away ( usually with severe underlying health issues , unfortunately)


If your LFT is positive and then you check with a PCR which is also positive is this recorded as 2 separate ‘cases’
And if in hospital with Covid and you are tested every day.....I’ve read it counts as a case per day until you test negative, although this needs clarification.

Plan A , Plan B or even C you get the feeling this virus can circumvent many prevention measures.

Maybe I’m being a bit over cautious, but I’m thinking of giving the game a miss tomorrow.

Covid is rife in most schools & colleges at the moment, but under 18’s can stroll about the CCS tomorrow unchecked !

Mrs is worried we might infect her 97 year old dad.

Am I being over cautious ?

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

Maybe I’m being a bit over cautious, but I’m thinking of giving the game a miss tomorrow.

Covid is rife in most schools & colleges at the moment, but under 18’s can stroll about the CCS tomorrow unchecked !

Mrs is worried we might infect her 97 year old dad.

Am I being over cautious ?

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Its a personal choice, and only you can make it

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this might be around for years in these high / low number cycles, are you prepared to give up on life for the next 5 years ( maybe more ) ? ? ? , my mum walked down Barry high street yesterday to go and buy some " halloween bunting ", I thought this was crazy, but she said she wanted to get out of the house and be normal for 1 hour

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Originally Posted by blue matt

Its a personal choice, and only you can make it

BUT

this might be around for years in these high / low number cycles, are you prepared to give up on life for the next 5 years ( maybe more ) ? ? ? , my mum walked down Barry high street yesterday to go and buy some " halloween bunting ", I thought this was crazy, but she said she wanted to get out of the house and be normal for 1 hour

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It’s much easier to “give up” on a part of your life which has made you bored, angry, despairing and disillusioned over a period of years - there are stacks of reasons (including the increase in Covid cases) why going tomorrow seems a bad idea and I’m struggling to think of any that has me thinking it’s a good one.

I've got a Covid Pass from the NHS but when my daughter scanned it she got the message " no readable Information" With the downloaded QR code it said "Safari Search and then a load of gobbledegook. Do premises that require passes have different scanners to an iPhone or will I reluctantly:-) have to miss tomorrow unless I can sort it out?

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Originally Posted by wildbill

I've got a Covid Pass from the NHS but when my daughter scanned it she got the message " no readable Information" With the downloaded QR code it said "Safari Search and then a load of gobbledegook. Do premises that require passes have different scanners to an iPhone or will I reluctantly:-) have to miss tomorrow unless I can sort it out?

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If your pass doesn’t work, you can have a covid test done at the gate. Been told it’ll take 15 to 20 minutes.

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

If your pass doesn’t work, you can have a covid test done at the gate. Been told it’ll take 15 to 20 minutes.

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Cheers

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

Maybe I’m being a bit over cautious, but I’m thinking of giving the game a miss tomorrow.

Covid is rife in most schools & colleges at the moment, but under 18’s can stroll about the CCS tomorrow unchecked !

Mrs is worried we might infect her 97 year old dad.

Am I being over cautious ?

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Sorry that you feel like this.
You’re double vaccinated ,and you’re outdoors. The fans in attendance will either be the same or have had test to allow them to gain admission.

Young people are not drivers of this disease which is why they are not governed by the same “ show us your papers “ guidelines.

Cases are high, but we test more people in a day in the Uk ���� than Europe combined and hospitalisations and deaths ( which is what really counts ) is much lower than last year thanks to the vaccination take up.


As Bluematt has said, this virus will be around for years ( probably indefinitely ). I appreciate we are all different but the media don’t report all the facts and reassure the public. The positive information is available , you just have to go looking for it via alternative media outlets.

Young people are not drivers of this disease which is why they are not governed by the same “ show us your papers “ guidelines.


I’m sorry, but it is spreading like wildfire in young people !!!!

Been told one school in Newport has “shut down”, and students told it’ll be reviewed after half term.

It’s the under 18’s who are the problem

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

Maybe I’m being a bit over cautious, but I’m thinking of giving the game a miss tomorrow.

Covid is rife in most schools & colleges at the moment, but under 18’s can stroll about the CCS tomorrow unchecked !

Mrs is worried we might infect her 97 year old dad.

Am I being over cautious ?

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If I was going to be seeing a 97 year old relative I'd probably be ultra cautious too. You're unlikely to be missing much other than Warnock being magnanimous

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

Young people are not drivers of this disease which is why they are not governed by the same “ show us your papers “ guidelines.


I’m sorry, but it is spreading like wildfire in young people !!!!

Been told one school in Newport has “shut down”, and students told it’ll be reviewed after half term.

It’s the under 18’s who are the problem

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Exactly this. Hopefully half term in schools will provide a break in transmission rates.
I'm immuno-suppressed and recent treatment means I cant have my next vaccine dose for another month, as it will reduce the effectiveness of my treatment. Even though I'm double vaccinated (had my second in March) my protection levels are lower than most, so I'm taking the cautious approach myself. It's the amount of time in close proximity to the same people that I'm worried about.

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Originally Posted by BLUETIT

Young people are not drivers of this disease which is why they are not governed by the same “ show us your papers “ guidelines.


I’m sorry, but it is spreading like wildfire in young people !!!!

Been told one school in Newport has “shut down”, and students told it’ll be reviewed after half term.

It’s the under 18’s who are the problem

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If you’re that concerned, then I would suggest you shouldn’t attend then which is in reply to your original question.

The government in Wales obviously don’t think children need to produce ( passport) evidence which suggests they are not a danger to you given the overly cautious approach the WAG stance has been through the pandemic. They are obvious satisfied with the vaccine efficacy and take up within the principality.

Sadly the inevitable happened this evening, my brother in law passed away from Covid. He’s had dementia for a few years now but was still lucid & mobile. Covid changed all of that in a few short days. Not sure I can cope with my wife’s grief, I’m pretty shit at that side of life.
Thanks to all those who’ve left comments on my previous posts.