The War starts Putin announces "Military Operation" in Ukraine. Explosions heard in Kyiv

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Originally Posted by goats

Just talking about great plagues and fires aren’t they? Things that happened a lot back in the old days…..

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Your 'fire of London' wouldn't quite do the following damage; maybe take a look and put it into context before you dismiss it lightly:-

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.

Can we not turn this thread into Sunday school?

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Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.

Oswald, these are serious matters.

Please confine your posts to the paint scheme and acoustics inside Clwb Ifor Bach. There's a good lad.

We will all know in less than 30 hours whether this dire warning is accurate or not - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X9wuywv1wQ

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So noon Friday was supposed to be a massive bioweapons or cyber attack on the UK and USA.

Did it happen? Of course not. I've never seen one of your predictions come true, not a single one, yet you retain this smugness of a man who is always correct.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Your 'fire of London' wouldn't quite do the following damage; maybe take a look and put it into context before you dismiss it lightly:-

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.

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Your right you know, that’s definitely an asteroid that one, like what wiped out the dinosaurs….but they didn’t exist either right?

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

There is 'reasonable faith' in many walks of life, so your comment makes no sense. Your unwillingness to even discuss the issue show that you fear you may be wrong and would rather not know either way.

However if I am wrong and you HAVE already REASONABLY concluded that faith in God and the Bible is crazy, then why don't you help RJK, Taunton Blue Genie and Delmbox who have been unable to answer the question raised a couple of days ago; I've reduced it to 2 examples to make it more straightforward.

Here is one verse from the Old Testament: Their people will become like walking corpses, their flesh rotting away. Their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths. (from Zechariah 14:12)

And one from the New Testament: While you earnestly look for and await the coming of the day of God. For on this day the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the [material] elements will melt with intense heat! (2 Peter 3:12)

These are 2 examples from many where the Bible speaks of future events. Even 100 years ago in 1922, none of our ancestors would have understood HOW either of the above could actually happen, however in very recent times we now have the knowledge of how they could easily happen.

So tell me this, how did (1) Zechariah (520BC), (2) Peter (60AD) actually write about these things with words that only make sense to readers from the 1940's onwards? (Atomic Bomb).

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So, let me get this straight. Your response is not to apologize or even explain the rank stench of murder, abuse and pedophilia that pervades your cult, it's to offer up some riddle about your magic book (of dubious origin) prophesying nuclear war? Ridiculous and shameful.

If you value prophecy so highly why don't you worship Nostradamus?

BTW it's "1940s" not "1940's".

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Your 'fire of London' wouldn't quite do the following damage; maybe take a look and put it into context before you dismiss it lightly:-

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat.

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Fair play you do talk some shite!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...zelensky-kyiv/

Russia has hit a airbase 12 miles from the polish border, how close are we away from " mistakes and attacks in Poland " just as a warning

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Originally Posted by blue matt

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...zelensky-kyiv/

Russia has hit a airbase 12 miles from the polish border, how close are we away from " mistakes and attacks in Poland " just as a warning

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It does make you wonder, especially coming a day after their warning about weapons shipments being fair game

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Originally Posted by chrisp_1927

It does make you wonder, especially coming a day after their warning about weapons shipments being fair game

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But surely with the way this war is going for them the last thing they want to do is bring NATO into it? The Ukranians are causing them a huge amount of problems, why on earth would they do something to bring other, bigger and even better equipped armed forces into it?

Unless Putin's completely lost his head of course, which is worryingly possible

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Originally Posted by blue matt

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...zelensky-kyiv/

Russia has hit a airbase 12 miles from the polish border, how close are we away from " mistakes and attacks in Poland " just as a warning

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If they do, gives NATO a cause to retaliate. Who knows.

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Originally Posted by delmbox

But surely with the way this war is going for them the last thing they want to do is bring NATO into it? The Ukranians are causing them a huge amount of problems, why on earth would they do something to bring other, bigger and even better equipped armed forces into it?

Unless Putin's completely lost his head of course, which is worryingly possible

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I suppose thats the issue really isn't it, he seems almost impossible to read. Bringing in others makes no sense at all, but he does seem to consistently do things to up the ante. I think he has a bit of a sick interest in seeing how far he can push the west before they act. So far he's managed to invade and annex parts of neighbours, prop up a dictator after they've gassed their own people. Cant help but think it's all a bit of fun for him and his cronies , especially when you see the likes of lavrov and their UN ambassador with those horrible little smirks on their faces constantly.

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Originally Posted by lardy

So noon Friday was supposed to be a massive bioweapons or cyber attack on the UK and USA.

Did it happen? Of course not. I've never seen one of your predictions come true, not a single one, yet you retain this smugness of a man who is always correct.

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Morg usually moves on to pastures new when confronted with his own ridiculousness. Driving on the A48 by the Gabalfa Flyover on Friday evening I noticed an array of "The Great Reset", anti-vax slogans scrawled on bits of cardboard and dirty sheets overhead. My guess is that Morg is now targeting a more receptive, less challenging audience for his sanctimonious claptrap.

Interesting article on the BBC about a brain drain from Russia. Ties in with what a poster on here mentioned about his own company.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60697763

I know this kind of stuff is designed to trigger an emotional response, but this got to me

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60724560

Those lads are slightly younger than my own son. The mother who tells her son - biology student normally - to volunteer to do the cooking. The dad who tells his lad not to go out of his way to be a hero.

What a f**king disgrace Putin is kicking this off.

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Originally Posted by goats

Your right you know, that’s definitely an asteroid that one, like what wiped out the dinosaurs….but they didn’t exist either right?

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So you met a Christian that denied dinosaurs, bravo!
For the record the Bible deals with the creation of such creatures and has examples of water & land based varieties.
As for the people you trust everything to - the scientists of the day - the asteroid extinction event is simply their best guess, or to put it another way, a supposition. They have an remarkable amount of these, and in fairness to them, few individuals are omniscient and don't need to guess, in fact only *one is.

* As far as He is concerned, how do you account for the fact that the Book that claims to be written by Him has hundreds of facts and predictions that are written out of their era and long before the human author could have understood the things they were writing? (like the 3 examples I have given on this thread - still unanswered).

Now to address the inevitable Nostradamus question - here was a man who had the wisdom to respect the Bible and not only studied it's pages carefully but wrote about many things it had to say - later on, morons read his writings are impressed and say, 'hey, this guy wrote about the future and got all sorts of stuff spot on, why should I read or respect the Bible?'

Tragic :shrug:

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Originally Posted by az city

So, let me get this straight. Your response is not to apologize or even explain the rank stench of murder, abuse and pedophilia that pervades your cult, it's to offer up some riddle about your magic book (of dubious origin) prophesying nuclear war? Ridiculous and shameful.

If you value prophecy so highly why don't you worship Nostradamus?

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What does the Catholic Church, Freemasonry or pedophilia turning up in the Watchtower have to do with 100% accurate and reliable Prophecy in the Bible?

As for your Nostradamus 'missile' - I've address that above.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

- later on, morons read his writings are impressed

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this isn't very christian of you

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

What does the Catholic Church, Freemasonry or pedophilia turning up in the Watchtower have to do with 100% accurate and reliable Prophecy in the Bible?

As for your Nostradamus 'missile' - I've address that above.

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I’ve read some utter bollux on here over the yrs.
Most of your contributions top the list.

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Originally Posted by chrisp_1927

I suppose thats the issue really isn't it, he seems almost impossible to read. Bringing in others makes no sense at all, but he does seem to consistently do things to up the ante. I think he has a bit of a sick interest in seeing how far he can push the west before they act. So far he's managed to invade and annex parts of neighbours, prop up a dictator after they've gassed their own people. Cant help but think it's all a bit of fun for him and his cronies , especially when you see the likes of lavrov and their UN ambassador with those horrible little smirks on their faces constantly.

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It certainly looks like he is hell bent on pushing and pushing, when he gets to east Berlin he might think the " comeback tour " is complete and be happy :shrug:

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

So you met a Christian that denied dinosaurs, bravo!
For the record the Bible deals with the creation of such creatures and has examples of water & land based varieties.
As for the people you trust everything to - the scientists of the day - the asteroid extinction event is simply their best guess, or to put it another way, a supposition. They have an remarkable amount of these, and in fairness to them, few individuals are omniscient and don't need to guess, in fact only *one is.

* As far as He is concerned, how do you account for the fact that the Book that claims to be written by Him has hundreds of facts and predictions that are written out of their era and long before the human author could have understood the things they were writing? (like the 3 examples I have given on this thread - still unanswered).

Now to address the inevitable Nostradamus question - here was a man who had the wisdom to respect the Bible and not only studied it's pages carefully but wrote about many things it had to say - later on, morons read his writings are impressed and say, 'hey, this guy wrote about the future and got all sorts of stuff spot on, why should I read or respect the Bible?'

Tragic :shrug:

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More shite. You're a star!

That other smug individual dear old Andrei Kelin (Russian ambassador to the UK) has been conspicuous by his absence of late. Remember this famous denial on Sky news?

https://mobile.twitter.com/SkyNews/s...89157711302661

I have written to him to remind him that as he does not seem to have any intention of resigning, he is complicit in the slaughter in Ukraine.

It seems some jam-making nutter was calling out Putin years ago - according to this rare principled Tory journalist:

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinio...utin-oligarchs

I wonder how the press, the government, or the hierarchy of his own party (all now riding the Free Ukraine wave) reacted to that?

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Originally Posted by jon1959

It seems some jam-making nutter was calling out Putin years ago - according to this rare principled Tory journalist:

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinio...utin-oligarchs

I wonder how the press, the government, or the hierarchy of his own party (all now riding the Free Ukraine wave) reacted to that?

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Originally Posted by delmbox

this isn't very christian of you

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Maybe you'd like to point out why it's unchristian?

(1) Firstly, do you actually know what a Christian is?
(2) Are you aware that Jesus Himself called certain individuals "whitewashed tombs" and what that means?*
(3) Jesus also said to the religious hypocrytes - “You snakes! You brood of vipers!" - so a cutting yet justified remark is certainly not unchristian at all.

* Jesus called the religious authorities of his day, "whitewashed tombs." These may not seem strong character slurs, but they are indeed very strong. The book of Ezra contains most of the Bible references to whitewash. They refer to whitewashed walls. These are walls roughly built and then covered over with a thick coat of whitewash to hide the lousy work. Yes indeed, we all know about shoddy workmanship hidden by a thick coat of paint. Ezra's point is that the people of God in his day had built their lives out of rubble and then plastered it over with religious whitewash. They were hypocrites, godly do-gooders on the outside, but rotten on the inside. Just as a rubble wall will easily fall over, even though it may look good, so will the life of a hypocrite.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Maybe you'd like to point out why it's unchristian?

(1) Firstly, do you actually know what a Christian is?
(2) Are you aware that Jesus Himself called certain individuals "whitewashed tombs" and what that means?*
(3) Jesus also said to the religious hypocrytes - “You snakes! You brood of vipers!" - so a cutting yet justified remark is certainly not unchristian at all.

* Jesus called the religious authorities of his day, "whitewashed tombs." These may not seem strong character slurs, but they are indeed very strong. The book of Ezra contains most of the Bible references to whitewash. They refer to whitewashed walls. These are walls roughly built and then covered over with a thick coat of whitewash to hide the lousy work. Yes indeed, we all know about shoddy workmanship hidden by a thick coat of paint. Ezra's point is that the people of God in his day had built their lives out of rubble and then plastered it over with religious whitewash. They were hypocrites, godly do-gooders on the outside, but rotten on the inside. Just as a rubble wall will easily fall over, even though it may look good, so will the life of a hypocrite.

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So if I understand your point correctly, when I call you an absolute prat I am actually acting in a Christianic manner, right?

https://www.reddit.com/r/maybemaybem...m_source=share

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

So if I understand your point correctly, when I call you an absolute prat I am actually acting in a Christianic manner, right?

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Only if you can justify your reasons for calling me that (or much worse) just like Jesus did, then that's fine.

Or you can be like all the other hit & run stars on here who can't make a stand to prove their side of the argument because they don't have one. Your call.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

https://www.reddit.com/r/maybemaybem...m_source=share

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I was just about to paste the same thing.
This is nuts, has to be a tipping point.

These kids are pissed at the new censorship law there too.

https://youtu.be/3yKJFysG2i0

Was hoping to read some reasonable discourse on this war, to put my mind at rest a bit. Sadly all I see is a religious fanatic spewing out more baseless claims from the “holy book”.

It’s like reliving my childhood over again. All bad things are the devil’s work, all good things gods. It contains very convenient stuff this “holy book”, almost as if the Bible was written by men similar to Putin to keep the masses in check and constant fear.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Only if you can justify your reasons for calling me that (or much worse) just like Jesus did, then that's fine.

Or you can be like all the other hit & run stars on here who can't make a stand to prove their side of the argument because they don't have one. Your call.

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I think there is enough evidence in this thread to reach that conclusion.

You would be better entitled cut and Truthpaste. The internet is awash with sites decontextualising verses or bits of the Bible and reinterpreting to predict or explain modern day events. Hoovering these up and representing them as if you have joined the dots is not particularly novel.

Indeed it is little different to the conspiracy theory branch of this board, taking internet interpretations of the spoutings of QAnon or the thoughts of third rate comedians as predictors of coming events.

Take the Zechariah half-verse you quoted. The rest of that Chapter predicts what will happen to those who attacked Jerusalem. It very precisely geographically bounds where the predicted events will take place and surprise surprise, they are all close to Jerusalem. But then again if all you do is Google, Bible and Nuclear war all you get is a bunch of zealots homing in on that verse.

As others have said, discussion of events in Ukraine don't particularly need religious carpetbaggers hijacking the thread out of narcissistic piety.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Only if you can justify your reasons for calling me that (or much worse) just like Jesus did, then that's fine.

Or you can be like all the other hit & run stars on here who can't make a stand to prove their side of the argument because they don't have one. Your call.

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Look I know thread sometimes go off the main topic, but enough is enough surely?

I have nothing against religious discussion, but can I ask if you want to expound your views, please start a specific thread where you can discuss theology to your hearts content. I may even join in the discussion but I am not going to on this thread.

Don't worry, a moderator will be along any week now to clean this up.

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

Look I know thread sometimes go off the main topic, but enough is enough surely?

I have nothing against religious discussion, but can I ask if you want to expound your views, please start a specific thread where you can discuss theology to your hearts content. I may even join in the discussion but I am not going to on this thread.

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Absolutely. Hijacking this thread about a very serious matter with ridiculous religious propaganda is is in very poor taste.

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Originally Posted by Elwood Blues

Look I know thread sometimes go off the main topic, but enough is enough surely?

I have nothing against religious discussion, but can I ask if you want to expound your views, please start a specific thread where you can discuss theology to your hearts content. I may even join in the discussion but I am not going to on this thread.

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Ditto here. Clearly there are prophecies in the Bible regarding the “end times” (the wormwood reference is particularly chilling) but Jesus himself said neither he nor anyone else on earth knows when this will happen so endless speculation here or anywhere else is pointless. Actually any further debate in a new thread is pretty pointless as the two camps on this MB are completely entrenched and diametrically opposed in their views.

I do have an increasingly uneasy feeling about the Ukraine situation, re unintended consequences and all that e.g. I see today USA warns China not to interfere by supplying weapons to Russia. In the midst of all the chaos who knows if our old friend Kim Jong Un might not do something provocative just to up the tension as he has been pretty quiet of late. In a hair trigger situation such as we have now, it wouldn't take much for some loony to press the proverbial red button.

Meanwhile I'm going to do something practical and starting looking into how to sign up on-line to register to volunteer to take in a Ukrainian refugee mum and kids.

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

Ditto here. Clearly there are prophecies in the Bible regarding the “end times” (the wormwood reference is particularly chilling) but Jesus himself said neither he nor anyone else on earth knows when this will happen so endless speculation here or anywhere else is pointless. Actually any further debate in a new thread is pretty pointless as the two camps on this MB are completely entrenched and diametrically opposed in their views.

I do have an increasingly uneasy feeling about the Ukraine situation, re unintended consequences and all that e.g. I see today USA warns China not to interfere by supplying weapons to Russia. In the midst of all the chaos who knows if our old friend Kim Jong Un might not do something provocative just to up the tension as he has been pretty quiet of late. In a hair trigger situation such as we have now, it wouldn't take much for some loony to press the proverbial red button.

Meanwhile I'm going to do something practical and starting looking into how to sign up on-line to register to volunteer to take in a Ukrainian refugee mum and kids.

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I don't think there is much in recent history to suggest that North Korea have any interest in world events outside of the Korean peninsula, or the capability to do anything significant about it.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

https://www.reddit.com/r/maybemaybem...m_source=share

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Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue

I was just about to paste the same thing.
This is nuts, has to be a tipping point.

These kids are pissed at the new censorship law there too.

https://youtu.be/3yKJFysG2i0

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yeah it's incredible isn't it. I'd say it was fake it's so bizarre, but it's hard to imagine faking that in the middle of red square, with uninformed officers etc

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Absolutely. Hijacking this thread about a very serious matter with ridiculous religious propaganda is is in very poor taste.

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None of my points have deflected from the serious matter at hand, they have simply given a divine (biblical) perspective on world events; if this board was running in the 1950's then there would be plenty of City supporters who would be able discuss this in a similar fashion. The fact that we now live in a mainly secular country which now aligns much closer to the atheistic attitudes of China, Korea & Russia isn't actually my fault. But now I know that aside from juvenile insults from people who don't actually know why they believe what they believe I will grant you your wish and you can return to your chosen perspective from 'under the sun' without any further comment - unless I need to address anyone who again chooses to take my words out of of their given context.

As has been mentioned, the involvement of China, Russia seeking troops from the Middle East (Syria) and explosions near to UN territory then there is more than enough to keep an eye on, and someone who acknowledges the Almighty is probably the least of your problems.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

None of my points have deflected from the serious matter at hand, they have simply given a divine (biblical) perspective on world events; if this board was running in the 1950's then there would be plenty of City supporters who would be able discuss this in a similar fashion. The fact that we now live in a mainly secular country which now aligns much closer to the atheistic attitudes of China, Korea & Russia isn't actually my fault. But now I know that aside from juvenile insults from people who don't actually know why they believe what they believe I will grant you your wish and you can return to your chosen perspective from 'under the sun' without any further comment - unless I need to address anyone who again chooses to take my words out of of their given context.

As has been mentioned, the involvement of China, Russia seeking troops from the Middle East (Syria) and explosions near to UN territory then there is more than enough to keep an eye on, and someone who acknowledges the Almighty is probably the least of your problems.

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Oh just **** off nobody wants to hear your shit.

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Originally Posted by lardy

Don't worry, a moderator will be along any week now to clean this up.

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Just mention a certain owner of another board and it will be removed within an hour or two

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

None of my points have deflected from the serious matter at hand, they have simply given a divine (biblical) perspective on world events; if this board was running in the 1950's then there would be plenty of City supporters who would be able discuss this in a similar fashion. The fact that we now live in a mainly secular country which now aligns much closer to the atheistic attitudes of China, Korea & Russia isn't actually my fault. But now I know that aside from juvenile insults from people who don't actually know why they believe what they believe I will grant you your wish and you can return to your chosen perspective from 'under the sun' without any further comment - unless I need to address anyone who again chooses to take my words out of of their given context.

As has been mentioned, the involvement of China, Russia seeking troops from the Middle East (Syria) and explosions near to UN territory then there is more than enough to keep an eye on, and someone who acknowledges the Almighty is probably the least of your problems.

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Listen, you fool. I'll happily debate with anybody but there has to be some common understanding of rational principles upon which to base a discussion. I'll give you an example. I know xsnaggle and I have diametrically opposed views on many societal issues but at least we can debate logically (well I can (it's a joke, snags)).

You have shown repeatedly that you're completely unwilling/unable to apply basic logic to your unfiltered bullshit. But more than this you treat everyone in a condescending, elitist manner based on what is blind faith to a dying cult. (It's not "rational faith" because rationality, philosophy and science would lead you to the conclusion that your god does not exist.)

What you don't understand is that what your spouting is dangerous bollocks. I'll repeat: it has led to millions of cases of abuse and murder as part of your cult. And I'm not an atheist, I'm an anti-theist. (Deism? That's a different matter.) In regards to the current conflict, all we need is someone like you who supposedly thinks there's an afterlife and we would have an itchy finger over the nuclear trigger (cf. Mike Pence).

What you've done is created a sideshow to the matter at hand in this thread. And I feel bad for engaging with you and feeding your idiocy.

So frankly, bye bye.