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Originally Posted by
Michael Morris
Boris is taking on the virus and keeping his country open.
He said today
"Together with the Plan B measures that we introduced before Christmas, we have a chance to ride out this Omicron wave without shutting down our country once again.
'We can keep our schools and our businesses open and we can find a way to live with this virus.'
Good…we are living with it
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Originally Posted by
Michael Morris
Boris is taking on the virus and keeping his country open.
He said today
"Together with the Plan B measures that we introduced before Christmas, we have a chance to ride out this Omicron wave without shutting down our country once again.
'We can keep our schools and our businesses open and we can find a way to live with this virus.'
The fact I know loads of people with it currently and all of them are far healthier than if they had the flu means this omicron is the best thing to happen in the last 2 years of this virus.
Time to get back to normal
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Re: Coronavirus update - ALERT LEVEL ZERO
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Originally Posted by
Michael Morris
Boris is taking on the virus and keeping his country open.
He said today
"Together with the Plan B measures that we introduced before Christmas, we have a chance to ride out this Omicron wave without shutting down our country once again.
'We can keep our schools and our businesses open and we can find a way to live with this virus.'
its a brave bold call to stay with " plan b " it would have been easier for him to put more restrictions in place, but he is thinking of the bigger picture
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
its a brave bold call to stay with " plan b " it would have been easier for him to put more restrictions in place, but he is thinking of the bigger picture
Living in fear of a potential politically fatal backlash from his own backbenchers and would-be assassins in his own Cabinet if further restrictions were mooted is many things but brave is not one of them!
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Originally Posted by
WJ99mobile
The fact I know loads of people with it currently and all of them are far healthier than if they had the flu means this omicron is the best thing to happen in the last 2 years of this virus.
Time to get back to normal
Casual empiricism does not systematic data make.
A lot of good people have sacrificed a huge amount to "fight" Covid. Surely now is not the time to just let the unfortunate and vulnerable down?
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Originally Posted by
blue matt
its a brave bold call to stay with " plan b " it would have been easier for him to put more restrictions in place, but he is thinking of the bigger picture
A "brave, bold call"? He's a prisoner of the Libertarian wing of his own party, he's got no choice but to stick with Plan B even though he's admitted the NHS could be overwhelmed in the coming weeks;-
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-boris-johnson
He may be proved right, but the decisions he's taking are more to do with public finance and Conservative Party politics than bravery and/or boldness.
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WJ99mobile
Time to get back to normal
Is this what NHS staff should say to the hordes that turn up to hospitals as they turn them away ?
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
Living in fear of a potential politically fatal backlash from his own backbenchers and would-be assassins in his own Cabinet if further restrictions were mooted is many things but brave is not one of them!
The guy is a reckless chancer.
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
Living in fear of a potential politically fatal backlash from his own backbenchers and would-be assassins in his own Cabinet if further restrictions were mooted is many things but brave is not one of them!
Yes, they are the 'bigger picture' not the rest of us.
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Originally Posted by
Divine Wright
Is this what NHS staff should say to the hordes that turn up to hospitals as they turn them away ?
I agree , the hordes should avoid hospitals at all costs
20.7% of the new daily hospital patients with Covid-19 in England caught the virus within hospital.
In the past 7 days 2,870 caught it within hospital
➡️ 54,688 in total since August 2020
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
A "brave, bold call"? He's a prisoner of the Libertarian wing of his own party, he's got no choice but to stick with Plan B even though he's admitted the NHS could be overwhelmed in the coming weeks;-
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-boris-johnson
He may be proved right, but the decisions he's taking are more to do with public finance and Conservative Party politics than bravery and/or boldness.
As we say in football, results don't lie. Despite our cautious approach in Wales nearly 13% of Covid cases recorded in UK over the last 7 days were in Wales. Considering we are about 5% of UK population that's a worrying stat.
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
As we say in football, results don't lie. Despite our cautious approach in Wales nearly 13% of Covid cases recorded in UK over the last 7 days were in Wales. Considering we are about 5% of UK population that's a worrying stat.
Arent we catching up with England though.
Thought we were about 2 weeks behind and we are now showing the steep increase in cases.
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
Arent we catching up with England though.
Thought we were about 2 weeks behind and we are now showing the steep increase in cases.
Well if we are catching up with England it strongly suggests that the extra steps taken to protect us in Wales have had no impact at all except to damage the welsh economy
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
As we say in football, results don't lie. Despite our cautious approach in Wales nearly 13% of Covid cases recorded in UK over the last 7 days were in Wales. Considering we are about 5% of UK population that's a worrying stat.
Where did you read that statistic?
The 7 day rolling average per day I had seen for Wales is about 10.5k against a UK average of over 180k. That's less than 6% by my maths.
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Covid restrictions in Wales should return to pre-Omicron levels, according to a senior epidemiologist:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59880877
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Re: Coronavirus update - LIVING IN OMICRON TIMES
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
I'd be shocked if anything changes this week, maybe by the end of January though
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Re: Coronavirus update - ALERT LEVEL ZERO
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
Where did you read that statistic?
The 7 day rolling average per day I had seen for Wales is about 10.5k against a UK average of over 180k. That's less than 6% by my maths.
The latest 7 days on PHE website 'cases by date reported' for each of the 4 home nations.
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
Arent we catching up with England though.
Thought we were about 2 weeks behind and we are now showing the steep increase in cases.
If (when) Wales’ stats reach England levels or even exceed them, surely that is all the evidence you need that the extra restrictions are doing naff all.
Sure there will be some other reason given though.
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
The latest 7 days on PHE website 'cases by date reported' for each of the 4 home nations.
Well the cases by area (last 7 days) are here
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/cases
Wales 75k out of 1.15 million. Looks like your source or maths are askew
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
Basically, the same as England. Considering Wales has consistently had tighter rules and more restrictions than England, it seems they weren't needed - other than of course, to show how 'different' we are from England.
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
Basically, the same as England. Considering Wales has consistently had tighter rules and more restrictions than England, it seems they weren't needed - other than of course, to show how 'different' we are from England.
I thought the new Welsh restrictions kicked in a week ago or have I got that wrong?
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
Thanks Cyril. The source was good, my maths were bad....
However based on those latest 7 day figures the rate per capita in Wales is well above the other home nations. England 84.3% of the UK population 80.3% of the cases. Scotland 8.2% of the population 8.8% of the cases, NI 2.8% and 3.8% of the cases, Wales 4.7% of UK population and 6.9% of the cases.
I'm sure you'll check the maths! Drakeford's rules are not producing results
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
Thanks Cyril. The source was good, my maths were bad....
However based on those latest 7 day figures the rate per capita in Wales is well above the other home nations. England 84.3% of the UK population 80.3% of the cases. Scotland 8.2% of the population 8.8% of the cases, NI 2.8% and 3.8% of the cases, Wales 4.7% of UK population and 6.9% of the cases.
I'm sure you'll check the maths! Drakeford's rules are not producing results
Like I said to AQM. The latest restrictions came in just over a week ago and isn't there an average 5 day gap between catching the virus and symptoms showing. If that's the case then there is a greater argument for the restrictions given the comparative case levels. I would have thought it is rather premature to cast judgement but not being resident in Wales I am not as close to the situation as some.
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Re: Coronavirus update - ALERT LEVEL ZERO
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
Basically, the same as England. Considering Wales has consistently had tighter rules and more restrictions than England, it seems they weren't needed - other than of course, to show how 'different' we are from England.
If the rules were followed then maybe there would be a difference but you cannot police the whole population.
I think it probably points to a couple of things - People's attitudes towards the restrictions and the transmissibility of this variant.
It's better to be safe than sorry and taking a cautious approach at the very least shows essential workers that the government is aware of their struggles and is trying to make things easier for them.
Boris Johnson's words and policy is a kick in the face for people in the NHS who are overworked.
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Originally Posted by
lisvaneblue
Thanks Cyril. The source was good, my maths were bad....
However based on those latest 7 day figures the rate per capita in Wales is well above the other home nations. England 84.3% of the UK population 80.3% of the cases. Scotland 8.2% of the population 8.8% of the cases, NI 2.8% and 3.8% of the cases, Wales 4.7% of UK population and 6.9% of the cases.
I'm sure you'll check the maths! Drakeford's rules are not producing results
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...igures-omicron
Just shows how wary we need to be in interpreting bald statistics. This article states that Wales is the only part of the UK that counts cases of reinfection in its daily totals.
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
This probably explains why hospitalisations in Wales 🏴 are so low in comparison to “cases” recorded.
The problem is with counting cases , it will always be artificially high thus making a return to some semblance of normality a long way off. Perhaps it’s by design.
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Re: Coronavirus update - LIVING IN OMICRON TIMES
Drakeford will always find a way to justify what he's doing. Even if it makes little sense he'll spin it to suit.
His wording will will always have an undercurrent of fearmongering just to keep us a tad fearful of our own shadows.
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Originally Posted by
Michael Morris
Drakeford will always find a way to justify what he's doing. Even if it makes little sense he'll spin it to suit.
His wording will will always have an undercurrent of fearmongering just to keep us a tad fearful of our own shadows.
Absolutely, apparently, he is still hasn’t provided data which justifies the current uptick in restrictions.
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Originally Posted by
cyril evans awaydays
Provided the positive tests are more than 42 days apart, otherwise they are not recorded
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Re: Coronavirus update - LIVING IN OMICRON TIMES
Really interesting information in this latest broadcast.
Recommended: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aH1u...r.JohnCampbell
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Re: Coronavirus update - LIVING IN OMICRON TIMES
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Originally Posted by
Michael Morris
Drakeford will always find a way to justify what he's doing. Even if it makes little sense he'll spin it to suit.
His wording will will always have an undercurrent of fearmongering just to keep us a tad fearful of our own shadows.
A while back he was banging on about how case rates were not really relevant anymore, only hospitalisations mattered…..
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Originally Posted by
WJ99mobile
The fact I know loads of people with it currently and all of them are far healthier than if they had the flu means this omicron is the best thing to happen in the last 2 years of this virus.
Time to get back to normal
Yes, the staff shortages as more and more people end up in isolation are great news. I'm seeing supermarkets struggling to get some items on shelves. Transport providers are struggling to maintain services.
People are still dying of this new variant. I lost a friend in his fifties, fit as a fiddle, who had Covid. He had a heart attack, rare but Covid is known for occasionally causing heart problems, and didn't make the ambulance ride to hospital.
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Yes, the staff shortages as more and more people end up in isolation are great news. I'm seeing supermarkets struggling to get some items on shelves. Transport providers are struggling to maintain services.
People are still dying of this new variant. I lost a friend in his fifties, fit as a fiddle, who had Covid. He had a heart attack, rare but Covid is known for occasionally causing heart problems, and didn't make the ambulance ride to hospital.
Whilst every death with Covid is an absolute tragedy, 🚨 #Covid19 was involved in 6.5% of deaths across Eng/Wales for the most recent week
◾️ 93.5 % of deaths were non Covid19
◾️ Number of deaths (all causes) in private homes was 34% above the 5-year average. Since pandemic an excess of 82.8k deaths
Source: ONS
To concentrate so much on one illness after a hugely positive vaccine take up , is not right. We need to move on and risk manage the people who are vulnerable don’t we ?
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Re: Coronavirus update - LIVING IN OMICRON TIMES
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Yes, the staff shortages as more and more people end up in isolation are great news. I'm seeing supermarkets struggling to get some items on shelves. Transport providers are struggling to maintain services.
People are still dying of this new variant. I lost a friend in his fifties, fit as a fiddle, who had Covid. He had a heart attack, rare but Covid is known for occasionally causing heart problems, and didn't make the ambulance ride to hospital.
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RIP to your mate, amongst all the ‘let’s get back to normal’, ‘Drakeford’s talking crap’, ‘Its only a cold’ merchants spouting off, something like this brings it home that it’s still something to be very wary of and, perhaps, in the long run those who’ve lost loved ones will be thankful for the restrictions with the attitude there but for the grace of God go I.
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
Whilst every death with Covid is an absolute tragedy, 🚨 #Covid19 was involved in 6.5% of deaths across Eng/Wales for the most recent week
◾️ 93.5 % of deaths were non Covid19
◾️ Number of deaths (all causes) in private homes was 34% above the 5-year average. Since pandemic an excess of 82.8k deaths
Source: ONS
To concentrate so much on one illness after a hugely positive vaccine take up , is not right. We need to move on and risk manage the people who are vulnerable don’t we ?
No, we need to make sure the number of cases doesn't skyrocket. Imagine what would happen if double the number of people were being infected? More and more people would be isolating and not working, essential services would be hit even harder. There's still a need for some caution.
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
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RIP to your mate, amongst all the ‘let’s get back to normal’, ‘Drakeford’s talking crap’, ‘Its only a cold’ merchants spouting off, something like this brings it home that it’s still something to be very wary of and, perhaps, in the long run those who’ve lost loved ones will be thankful for the restrictions with the attitude there but for the grace of God go I.
It might just be me, but I find the vast majority of people who want an end to all these restrictions are those who haven't been personally affected by Covid.
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
It might just be me, but I find the vast majority of people who want an end to all these restrictions are those who haven't been personally affected by Covid.
You may have a point to a certain extent , however ,from my perspective I know of people who have had critical, potentially life saving operations cancelled, I have lost friends through suicide and closer to home I see the NHS have extended cervical cancer screening times , it’s worrying.
I have not been able to visit my mum for nearly a year due to restrictions and she is poorly and in a home and she is lonely and lost. The care home staff are leaving in droves and the staff who are left are young and inexperienced…. Her home was on BBC news due to numerous safeguard concerns which she was part of.
My son has had his education decimated, his swimming lessons have been cancelled for over a year ( a life skill) and the current set up is not very good.
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
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RIP to your mate, amongst all the ‘let’s get back to normal’, ‘Drakeford’s talking crap’, ‘Its only a cold’ merchants spouting off, something like this brings it home that it’s still something to be very wary of and, perhaps, in the long run those who’ve lost loved ones will be thankful for the restrictions with the attitude there but for the grace of God go I.
Quite right. We are still in very troubling times, and we all should be cautious, even when there are siren voices calling for restrictions to end.
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Originally Posted by
TWGL1
You may have a point to a certain extent , however ,from my perspective I know of people who have had critical, potentially life saving operations cancelled, I have lost friends through suicide and closer to home I see the NHS have extended cervical cancer screening times , it’s worrying.
I have not been able to visit my mum for nearly a year due to restrictions and she is poorly and in a home and she is lonely and lost. The care home staff are leaving in droves and the staff who are left are young and inexperienced…. Her home was on BBC news due to numerous safeguard concerns which she was part of.
My son has had his education decimated, his swimming lessons have been cancelled for over a year ( a life skill) and the current set up is not very good.
Which is all the more reason to be cautious. If you decide to remove all restrictions, let the virus spread like wildfire, even more carehome staff will be absent, even more teachers will be absent, more things like swimming lessons will be cancelled, NHS waiting times will be extended further as there are less staff.
The other choice is to stop isolating if you have Covid, but that's not good news for the vulnerable.
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Which is all the more reason to be cautious. If you decide to remove all restrictions, let the virus spread like wildfire, even more carehome staff will be absent, even more teachers will be absent, more things like swimming lessons will be cancelled, NHS waiting times will be extended further as there are less staff.
The other choice is to stop isolating if you have Covid, but that's not good news for the vulnerable.
The question is surely whether the current restrictions (or indeed any restrictions in the long run) are achieving anything