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SLUDGE FACTORY
So is Jimmy Saville , assuming he said sorry , allowed upstairs ?
Myra Hindley ?
If they can get in , where do I sign ?
Repentence includes regret and being genuinely sorry, but is far more than that.
Here are a few verses on our condition, our problem and the solution:-
* Man looks at the outward appearance but God looks at the heart.
* Jesus said: "For from the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, all sexual immorality, theft, lying, and slander".
* For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard.
* For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord.
* Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
* Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord,
* “There is no judgment against anyone who believes in him. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God’s one and only Son.
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1 Corinthians 2:14 - But people who aren’t spiritual can’t receive these truths from God’s Spirit. It all sounds foolish to them and they can’t understand it, for only those who are spiritual can understand what the Spirit means.
What aload of old crap fairy stories.
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What aload of old crap fairy stories.
One of the many divine qualities of the Bible is this: that it does not yield its secrets to the irreverent and censorious.
— J.I. Packer
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truthpaste
One of the many divine qualities of the Bible is this: that it does not yield its secrets to the irreverent and censorious.
— J.I. Packer
:hehe: Thank god for that! :hehe:
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:hehe: Thank god for that! :hehe:
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If something evil happens its down to the devil or humans
If something great happens it's God's work or God's will
However God is said to be omnipotent.....all powerful......and omnipresent......everywhere , all the time ?
So if he was all powerful he could easily stop nasty things
But he doesn't
So he either isn't as great and kind a bloke as Christians believe ....or he doesn't exist
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SLUDGE FACTORY
If something evil happens its down to the devil or humans
If something great happens it's God's work or God's will
However God is said to be omnipotent.....all powerful......and omnipresent......everywhere , all the time ?
So if he was all powerful he could easily stop nasty things
But he doesn't
So he either isn't as great and kind a bloke as Christians believe ....or he doesn't exist
A bit presumptuous and sexist - God could be a women or may want to be known as one. God could be trans - he does work in mysterious ways after all..
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SLUDGE FACTORY
If something evil happens its down to the devil or humans
If something great happens it's God's work or God's will
However God is said to be omnipotent.....all powerful......and omnipresent......everywhere , all the time ?
So if he was all powerful he could easily stop nasty things
But he doesn't
So he either isn't as great and kind a bloke as Christians believe ....or he doesn't exist
The most powerful thing we can experience is love, look how many songs, works of art and literature have been produced because of it, as the Beatles reminded us.....all you need is love.
Love must involve choice, otherwise it's invalidated. Would any of us want to learn that someone's affection for us had only existed because they were threatened to act that way towards us?
Therefore God must inform us of our position, and then allow us to choose. He must then allow the chips to fall where they may. He and we must live with the consequences, eternally :sherlock:
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SLUDGE FACTORY
If something evil happens its down to the devil or humans
If something great happens it's God's work or God's will
However God is said to be omnipotent.....all powerful......and omnipresent......everywhere , all the time ?
So if he was all powerful he could easily stop nasty things
But he doesn't
So he either isn't as great and kind a bloke as Christians believe ....or he doesn't exist
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truthpaste
The most powerful thing we can experience is love, look how many songs, works of art and literature have been produced because of it, as the Beatles reminded us.....all you need is love.
Love must involve choice, otherwise it's invalidated. Would any of us want to learn that someone's affection for us had only existed because they were threatened to act that way towards us?
Therefore God must inform us of our position, and then allow us to choose. He must then allow the chips to fall where they may. He and we must live with the consequences, eternally :sherlock:
Love god or he sends you to hell. Nice one.
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Taunton Blue Genie
Love god or he sends you to hell. Nice one.
Sounds like the IDF spoke person
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Taunton Blue Genie
Love god or he sends you to hell. Nice one.
Not a perfect analogy I know because I believe a loving God would never give up on someone whilst they are still alive, but suppose you said to someone who loves you, “I don't love you at all, in fact I hate you”, why on earth would you expect to spend eternity (or any time) with them?! On the contrary you have self-selected separation, which is what hell is in this context.
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Gofer Blue
Not a perfect analogy I know because I believe a loving God would never give up on someone whilst they are still alive, but suppose you said to someone who loves you, “I don't love you at all, in fact I hate you”, why on earth would you expect to spend eternity (or any time) with them?! On the contrary you have self-selected separation, which is what hell is in this context.
It's not an analogy at all. And your analogy is disingenuous as 'someone' is not the same as one's supposed loving and forgiving creator.
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Another London demonstration tomorrow against the genocide in Gaza - and a lot of local/regional ones too.
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truthpaste
The most powerful thing we can experience is love, look how many songs, works of art and literature have been produced because of it, as the Beatles reminded us.....all you need is love.
Love must involve choice, otherwise it's invalidated. Would any of us want to learn that someone's affection for us had only existed because they were threatened to act that way towards us?
Therefore God must inform us of our position, and then allow us to choose. He must then allow the chips to fall where they may. He and we must live with the consequences, eternally :sherlock:
So you give God a free pass then - he/she is offering love on a very conditional basis surely?
Going back to the subject of this thread, are you seriously suggesting that one of the parties involved is acting out of love for God and the other isn’t?
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the other bob wilson
So you give God a free pass then - he/she is offering love on a very conditional basis surely?
Going back to the subject of this thread, are you seriously suggesting that one of the parties involved is acting out of love for God and the other isn’t?
In reverse order; one of the parties involved launched a premeditated and heartless attack which was driven by *evil married to the worst anti-semitic agenda of our generation. Hamas knew 100% what the response would be, yet it still wanted it's day in the headlines despite the consequences. The only love that Israel is currently concerned about is a love for it's citizens who they pledged to protect and guarantee that protection so they can live in safety, Israel being a country the size of Wales surrounded by sworn enemies for most of it's recent and past history.
* While this is part of their agenda to reverse the events of 1947/48, let's not forget the diagnosis of the human heart - "For from the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery....". While you or I may not have actual blood on our hands, neither of us along with everyone else can't say that we've not wanted certain people dead, and by God's standard that makes us all guilty.
Back with God, you and I are City fans who go back well over half a Century, so we've both lived through more than enough evidence to see the bigger picture here. God isn't offering love, He is Love. What He is offering is forgiveness and a life with real purpose and a real prospect; and to people like myself who certainly don't deserve any of it.
No doubt you are a man who believes in justice, do you think it is right that the likes of Saville, Hitler & West should receive no greater punishment than minor criminals who may have only stolen because they were hungry?
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truthpaste
In reverse order; one of the parties involved launched a premeditated and heartless attack which was driven by *evil married to the worst anti-semitic agenda of our generation. Hamas knew 100% what the response would be, yet it still wanted it's day in the headlines despite the consequences. The only love that Israel is currently concerned about is a love for it's citizens who they pledged to protect and guarantee that protection so they can live in safety, Israel being a country the size of Wales surrounded by sworn enemies for most of it's recent and past history.
* While this is part of their agenda to reverse the events of 1947/48, let's not forget the diagnosis of the human heart - "For from the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery....". While you or I may not have actual blood on our hands, neither of us along with everyone else can't say that we've not wanted certain people dead, and by God's standard that makes us all guilty.
Back with God, you and I are City fans who go back well over half a Century, so we've both lived through more than enough evidence to see the bigger picture here. God isn't offering love, He is Love. What He is offering is forgiveness and a life with real purpose and a real prospect; and to people like myself who certainly don't deserve any of it.
No doubt you are a man who believes in justice, do you think it is right that the likes of Saville, Hitler & West should receive no greater punishment than minor criminals who may have only stolen because they were hungry?
Sorry, I can't reconcile your "He is love" with the notion of a vengeful God we see in the Old Testament.
To try to answer your point about those awful men you mention, since October 7 I've been struck by how Israel has made so much of the way Hamas killed on that day. Of course, the methods used were deliberately bloodthirsty, but do the law abiding people in Gaza take some sort of consolation in the notion that the thousands more killed by Israeli forces perished in a more humane way? I wouldn't, I would still mourn the friends and family members I'd lost and I do not accept that those for whom the same happened to on the Israeli side are, somehow, more entitled to mourn.
Thousands have died on both sides and as I said weeks ago, I see both sides as being as bad as each other. In the days following October 7, we heard how the Israeli authorities were advising people living in Gaza to head south because they would be safer there. Here was an example of Israel showing a moral superiority to Hamas it seemed, but now we see stories like these
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67664804
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq00...JazeeraEnglish
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-southern-gaza
that, once again, suggest that there are elements within this Israeli Government in particular, who are no better than those they are determined to wipe off the face of the earth.
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the other bob wilson
Sorry, I can't reconcile your "He is love" with the notion of a vengeful God we see in the Old Testament.
To try to answer your point about those awful men you mention, since October 7 I've been struck by how Israel has made so much of the way Hamas killed on that day. Of course, the methods used were deliberately bloodthirsty, but do the law abiding people in Gaza take some sort of consolation in the notion that the thousands more killed by Israeli forces perished in a more humane way? I wouldn't, I would still mourn the friends and family members I'd lost and I do not accept that those for whom the same happened to on the Israeli side are, somehow, more entitled to mourn.
Thousands have died on both sides and as I said weeks ago, I see both sides as being as bad as each other. In the days following October 7, we heard how the Israeli authorities were advising people living in Gaza to head south because they would be safer there. Here was an example of Israel showing a moral superiority to Hamas it seemed, but now we see stories like these
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67664804
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq00...JazeeraEnglish
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-southern-gaza
that, once again, suggest that there are elements within this Israeli Government in particular, who are no better than those they are determined to wipe off the face of the earth.
On this last point re 'elements within the Israeli Government' then I completely agree and sadly for ANY democratic government there would be similar unsavoury elements because of the human heart issue I raised above; that problem is universal and the current scrutiny of our own government and other enquiries since 2020 is testimony to such corruption.
Which leaves us with the corrupt human heart and the God of the Bible, who is commonly misunderstood in not only the OT but the NT too; let's not forget that in a coming day every element will burn up (2 Peter 3:10) and this physical universe will be no more and replaced with a new heavens and new earth (Revelation 21:1). Unrepentant individuals will perish in the lake of fire - all these are NT references, and far more violent then any OT scenario, or Millwall :sherlock:
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the other bob wilson
Sorry, I can't reconcile your "He is love" with the notion of a vengeful God we see in the Old Testament.
To try to answer your point about those awful men you mention, since October 7 I've been struck by how Israel has made so much of the way Hamas killed on that day. Of course, the methods used were deliberately bloodthirsty, but do the law abiding people in Gaza take some sort of consolation in the notion that the thousands more killed by Israeli forces perished in a more humane way? I wouldn't, I would still mourn the friends and family members I'd lost and I do not accept that those for whom the same happened to on the Israeli side are, somehow, more entitled to mourn.
Thousands have died on both sides and as I said weeks ago, I see both sides as being as bad as each other. In the days following October 7, we heard how the Israeli authorities were advising people living in Gaza to head south because they would be safer there. Here was an example of Israel showing a moral superiority to Hamas it seemed, but now we see stories like these
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67664804
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gq00...JazeeraEnglish
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-southern-gaza
that, once again, suggest that there are elements within this Israeli Government in particular, who are no better than those they are determined to wipe off the face of the earth.
Somewhere in the bible it must surely say 'twenty eyes for an eye'?
The State of Israel has used the total and unconditional support of Christian Zionists like Truthpaste (leading to all the USA money, arms, intelligence and Security Council vetos) to enable 75 years of ethnic cleansing and daily persecution.
The conflict (David v Goliath - and the Israelis are not David) didn't start on 7 October - even if that was one of the many low points for death and atrocities.
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It's not an analogy at all. And your analogy is disingenuous as 'someone' is not the same as one's supposed loving and forgiving creator.
I agree in as much it is impossible to compare human love with God's love. If you told your girl friend who is in love with you that actually you hate her I would suggest it would be highly unlikely that she would keep loving you for as long as you live! You initiated the inevitable separation, yes? The girlfriend goes her own way and with time will forget all about you.
God never gives up loving you as long as you are alive, that's the difference.
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Does God exist and can you prove it ?
Where do I go to see or speak to God ?
If God does exist why does God give children cancer ?
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I agree in as much it is impossible to compare human love with God's love. If you told your girl friend who is in love with you that actually you hate her I would suggest it would be highly unlikely that she would keep loving you for as long as you live! You initiated the inevitable separation, yes? The girlfriend goes her own way and with time will forget all about you.
God never gives up loving you as long as you are alive, that's the difference.
Another duff and silly analogy.
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Does God exist and can you prove it ?
Where do I go to see or speak to God ?
If God does exist why does God give children cancer ?
God (whichever one you believe in) is pretty hopeless in persuading people he exists. And he supposedly created us all only for the majority to burn in hell
It's laughable nonsense.
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Another London demonstration tomorrow against the genocide in Gaza - and a lot of local/regional ones too.
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There’s one in Abergavenny today. I walked past them a couple of times and on both occasions they were being heckled quite aggressively. It was so sad to see this.
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Somewhere in the bible it must surely say 'twenty eyes for an eye'?
No. It says you should turn the other cheek
I’d like to know why Truthpaste is seemingly pro-Israeli and anti-Palestinian/muslim when Jews reject Christ as the son of God. Does he think Jews will go to heaven, but not muslims?
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There’s one in Abergavenny today. I walked past them a couple of times and on both occasions they were being heckled quite aggressively. It was so sad to see this.
No. It says you should turn the other cheek
I’d like to know why Truthpaste is seemingly pro-Israeli and anti-Palestinian/muslim when Jews reject Christ as the son of God. Does he think Jews will go to heaven, but not muslims?
Nobody relying on religious practices, including Jewish tradition or Islamic instruction can get right with God.
This is because of the failure of religion, it's all about me and what I'm going to do to make it to heaven, how tiresome that would be, listening to people for eternity telling you how virtuous they had been to make it through the pearly gates!
However many brought up in the above and other traditions HAVE found the real Jesus. Not the insignificant 'prophet' of Islam, or the false messiah of Jewish man-made tradition; and in doing so they have found "The Way, the Truth and the Life". So I am neither pro the government of Israel or the butchers of Hamas, I am someone who has been asked to pray for the peace of Jerusalem, seeing how current events are ushering in the end-time scenario outlined in Bible Prophecy, and seeking to serve Yeshua, or as most people know Him, Jesus.
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Taunton Blue Genie
Another duff and silly analogy.
Care to elaborate or leave it there? Happy to continue from my end.
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jon1959
Another London demonstration tomorrow against the genocide in Gaza - and a lot of local/regional ones too.
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jon1959
Somewhere in the bible it must surely say 'twenty eyes for an eye'?
The State of Israel has used the total and unconditional support of Christian Zionists like Truthpaste (leading to all the USA money, arms, intelligence and Security Council vetos) to enable 75 years of ethnic cleansing and daily persecution.
The conflict (David v Goliath - and the Israelis are not David) didn't start on 7 October - even if that was one of the many low points for death and atrocities.
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Nobody relying on religious practices, including Jewish tradition or Islamic instruction can get right with God.
This is because of the failure of religion, it's all about me and what I'm going to do to make it to heaven, how tiresome that would be, listening to people for eternity telling you how virtuous they had been to make it through the pearly gates!
However many brought up in the above and other traditions HAVE found the real Jesus. Not the insignificant 'prophet' of Islam, or the false messiah of Jewish man-made tradition; and in doing so they have found "The Way, the Truth and the Life". So I am neither pro the government of Israel or the butchers of Hamas, I am someone who has been asked to pray for the peace of Jerusalem, seeing how current events are ushering in the end-time scenario outlined in Bible Prophecy, and seeking to serve Yeshua, or as most people know Him, Jesus.
So, Muslims and Jews can enter the kingdom of heaven as long as they find the real Jesus before they die? And what happens to them if they don’t?
And regarding Gaza, you’re praying for peace, but you still believe Israel have every right to continue to destroy Gaza killing thousands of innocent people, and causing a humanitarian crisis? That’s not very Christian, is it?
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Care to elaborate or leave it there? Happy to continue from my end.
God and girlfriend. Not to worry as I am happy to leave it too.
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So, Muslims and Jews can enter the kingdom of heaven as long as they find the real Jesus before they die? And what happens to them if they don’t?
And regarding Gaza, you’re praying for peace, but you still believe Israel have every right to continue to destroy Gaza killing thousands of innocent people, and causing a humanitarian crisis? That’s not very Christian, is it?
Which of my statements from anywhere in this discussion have led you to this conclusion?
(I'll address your other comments after we have cleared this one up).
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Which of my statements from anywhere in this discussion have led you to this conclusion?
(I'll address your other comments after we have cleared this one up).
God shouldn't prefer whiter skins over darker ones. If you take sides you're not a true Christian. God loves all human beings equally and without prejudice.
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Truthpaste _ You’ve been pro-Israel throughout this whole thread.
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Which of my statements from anywhere in this discussion have led you to this conclusion?
(I'll address your other comments after we have cleared this one up).
I’ve consistently said both sides are as bad as each other in this thread and you’re shown your disagreement with that - isn’t that proof you favour one side over the other? If you are against the scale of the Israeli revenge mission for October 7, you’ve chosen a strange way to show it.
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It's a war Bob, Hamas have stated they want to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth - and attempted to do it on Oct 7th. Just like Ukraine - Israel are making sure that does not happen, As stated many many times - the international peace negotiators of CCMB have yet to work out a strategy of stopping the war - other than to puff their collective chests out and say 'ooh ooh if only you'd listen to me'
If you feel that strongly about it, go and fight for Hamas - let us know how you get on ?
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stevo
So, Muslims and Jews can enter the kingdom of heaven as long as they find the real Jesus before they die? And what happens to them if they don’t?
And regarding Gaza, you’re praying for peace, but you still believe Israel have every right to continue to destroy Gaza killing thousands of innocent people, and causing a humanitarian crisis? That’s not very Christian, is it?
Islam and Judaism do not recognise Jesus as the son of 'God' nor as a component part thereof. Both of the latter schisms of Abrahamism are still waiting for the Messiah.
It's been a very long wait so far.
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Islam and Judaism do not recognise Jesus as the son of 'God' nor as a component part thereof. Both of the latter schisms of Abrahamism are still waiting for the Messiah.
It's been a very long wait so far.
Maybe he was born as a painter and decorator from Cowbridge. It certainly fits the bill, delusional, mental...etc maybe they can embrace Sludge as their Messiah
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It's a war Bob, Hamas have stated they want to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth - and attempted to do it on Oct 7th. Just like Ukraine - Israel are making sure that does not happen, As stated many many times - the international peace negotiators of CCMB have yet to work out a strategy of stopping the war - other than to puff their collective chests out and say 'ooh ooh if only you'd listen to me'
If you feel that strongly about it, go and fight for Hamas - let us know how you get on ?
You obviously missed the bit (that should be bits because I’ve said it often enough) where I said they’re both as bad as each other.
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pipster
It's a war Bob, Hamas have stated they want to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth - and attempted to do it on Oct 7th. Just like Ukraine - Israel are making sure that does not happen, As stated many many times - the international peace negotiators of CCMB have yet to work out a strategy of stopping the war - other than to puff their collective chests out and say 'ooh ooh if only you'd listen to me'
If you feel that strongly about it, go and fight for Hamas - let us know how you get on ?
So, in your opinion, the killing of thousands of innocent civilians and depriving the rest of water, electricity and medicines is fair game?
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stevo
So, in your opinion, the killing of thousands of innocent civilians and depriving the rest of water, electricity and medicines is fair game?
Did I say that - maybe you could point out where I did ? -
I merely pointed out that it is a war, Hamas have stated many many times they want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth, Israel have said the opposite.
As you (probably) know - war is horrible and innocent men women and children get killed - that is horrific. But puffing your chest out on here will not fix it.
It will only end when Hamas have been defeated. Hamas seemed to think by taking 200 hostages that would somehow work out well for them. Israel switched off the power, the food and just about everything else - giving Hamas 2 million hostages to look after.
Hamas wont back down - and most of them are either dead or ran away - leaving the Palestinian people (their people) with nothing
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pipster
Did I say that - maybe you could point out where I did ? -
I merely pointed out that it is a war, Hamas have stated many many times they want to wipe Israel off the face of the earth, Israel have said the opposite.
As you (probably) know - war is horrible and innocent men women and children get killed - that is horrific. But puffing your chest out on here will not fix it.
It will only end when Hamas have been defeated. Hamas seemed to think by taking 200 hostages that would somehow work out well for them. Israel switched off the power, the food and just about everything else - giving Hamas 2 million hostages to look after.
Hamas wont back down - and most of them are either dead or ran away - leaving the Palestinian people (their people) with nothing
Good points well made and a refreshing change from the usual mild to severe anti-semitic rhetoric.
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Good points well made and a refreshing change from the usual mild to severe anti-semitic rhetoric.
You seem to confuse criticism of the Israeli government as anti-Semitism. Surely you can't be that stupid (again).
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Taunton Blue Genie
You seem to confuse criticism of the Israeli government as anti-Semitism. Surely you can't be that stupid (again).
It isn't stupidity TBG - it is a deliberate and hypocritical smear.
To conflate the State of Israel with Jewish people worldwide, or to conflate anti Zionism with anti semitism, is to peddle an anti semitic trope that is exactly the same as the anti semitism of blaming Jewish people in London, New York or Tel Aviv for the actions of the Israeli government!
The anti semitism of Sunak, Trump or Netanyahu (and Truthpaste based on his history of posts on Israel/Palestine) - combined with the Israel government's close association with avowed anti semites like Viktor Orban in Hungary (and the public support they get from far right, white supremacist and neo-Nazi groups) just underlines how the traditional definition of anti semitism has been subverted in a propaganda war with supporters of Palestinian rights.
The result is it becomes harder to defend Jewish people facing discrimination, hate and physical attacks because their strongest allies are gagged and suppressed with false allegations of racism. It also reinforces the attack on the growing number of Jewish people (especially in the USA) who reject the Israeli illegal colonial project for a Greater Israel, reject the political ideology of Zionism (as many Orthodox and socialist Jews have always done), and campaign for the rights of Palestinians. There have been tens of thousands of Jewish people on the streets of London in the past 2 months taking part in Palestine solidarity marches, speaking on the platform at the end and carrying placards saying 'not in my name'. I expect Truthpaste denounces them ('the wrong type of Jews') as severely not mildly anti-semitic!
Confusion and stupidity would be better - but this is just cynical, hypocritical and perverse.