The Donald Trump thread

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Originally Posted by Canton Kev

When you look at their history in global conflicts, “it’s not in their continent” is hardly a reason for the USA to not get involved.

Since Bush they’ve been in conflicts involving Palestine, Israel, Yemen, Libya, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Niger, Uganda, DR Congo, Sudan, CAR, Somalia and Pakistan.

Go back a bit further and they’ve been involved in the Gulf War, Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia, Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Panama and a dozen more Middle Eastern and African conflicts.

America has built themselves up as the “world peacekeeper”. The money and resources they put towards their military is unmatched. They spend more on their military than the next 10 nations combined. There’s 21 active aircraft carriers in the world and America has 12. The country with the next highest is the UK, joint with China and India on 2. The USA has military bases in half the countries on the planet.

Whether or not they should be so involved globally is another matter, but the fact is they are. Including signing the Budapest Memorandum in 1994, promising protection to Ukraine from foreign invasion.

They might have the same social problems we do, but they’ve also decided to dedicate just short of a Trillion Dollars to their military spending despite being bordered by 2 allies and sitting ~5000 miles away from their main “enemies”.

If the Trump administration redirects the tens or hundreds of Billions of dollars destined for Ukraine towards stopping Mexican drugs I’ll hold my hands up and say fair enough, I’ve got a sneaking suspicion that won’t be the case however.

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I agree with your analysis Kev. They have a long history of involvement in foreign wars and being thr global policeman and there's good and bad in that.

But it isn't happening going forward in Ukraine, certainly not without Europe stepping up. Our continent feels slightly more vulnerable as a result but it doesn't change that reality of the situation.

I still think we will end up with a peace deal in the coming weeks personally, but with Europe guaranteeing more financial support for a US led security guarantee.

I realise this may look very stupid in a few weeks!

Kier Starmer…

“The UK are prepared to back this with boots on the ground and planes in the air“.

Any thoughts on this?

I was just on the phone with my Dad and he believes it’s the right thing to do and that we have no choice.

I believe that it is insanity and War Hawking that could potentially end up killing millions.

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Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue

Kier Starmer…

“The UK are prepared to back this with boots on the ground and planes in the air“.

Any thoughts on this?

I was just on the phone with my Dad and he believes it’s the right thing to do and that we have no choice.

I believe that it is insanity and War Hawking that could potentially end up killing millions.

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Got a feeling that unfortunately Putin is the type of person that will only see sense when he sees a strong opposition that are willing to go toe to toe, at the moment he likes to think Europe is weak….Hard to fathom that our supposed allies over the pond are siding with the new Hitler, can you imagine that back in 1940…..begs belief.

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Originally Posted by Wash DC Blue

Kier Starmer…

“The UK are prepared to back this with boots on the ground and planes in the air“.

Any thoughts on this?

I was just on the phone with my Dad and he believes it’s the right thing to do and that we have no choice.

I believe that it is insanity and War Hawking that could potentially end up killing millions.

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Zelensky has to accept that putin has grabbed and will keep what he has

I think then a multi agency force or weaponry of some kind .....even if it's just lightweight .....has to happen

If Russia really wants to take over Ukraine , the baltic states etc etc then unless there is a huge army or the threat of a nuclear strike facing him then let's be honest .....he's going to eventually do it

I think starmer is doing his best in a very difficult situation

I would imagine behind all this hand shaking and greetings zelensky is having to accept that putin has unfortunately over powered him and always will

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Zelensky has to accept that putin has grabbed and will keep what he has

I think then a multi agency force or weaponry of some kind .....even if it's just lightweight .....has to happen

If Russia really wants to take over Ukraine , the baltic states etc etc then unless there is a huge army or the threat of a nuclear strike facing him then let's be honest .....he's going to eventually do it

I think starmer is doing his best in a very difficult situation

I would imagine behind all this hand shaking and greetings zelensky is having to accept that putin has unfortunately over powered him and always will

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Yeah just give up on what’s lost, let Putin think he’s won as this is what they thrive off. But he can’t incur on anymore land….need peacekeepers there I’m sure but at least the blood shed ends. Having the yanks getting what they really want out of it will also bring further security…

I think Europe still holds the cards in terms of hurting Russia financially. Even with a trade deal, the US aren't really going to be buying russian gas and oil, they have enough of their own. The Chinese and Indians will have it like they do now, but at a very steep discount. The damage done to Russia financially if we continue to not buy their energy is huge and will start biting them.

Saw up thread discussions about life expired equipment being sent out. I know that was certainly the case with the Germans at the start, can remember stories of warehouses that needed breathing apparatus to enter because the wooden boxes containing the equipment was so mouldy, a lot of it was old east German stuff I believe. Not sure on the age of the American kit, but it seems like trump wants the Ukrainians to be the first to ever pay 'book price' for large orders, and then add on 50% plus. I hope the Ukrainians call his bluff, do deals to pay everyone else back, and tell the yanks to shove it

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Originally Posted by Canton Kev

They might have the same social problems we do, but they’ve also decided to dedicate just short of a Trillion Dollars to their military spending despite being bordered by 2 allies and sitting ~5000 miles away from their main “enemies”.

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Alaska is 53 miles away from the Russia mainland and the US Little Diomede Island is 2.4 miles away from the Russian Big Diomede Island, so they could literally have a battle using peashooters! :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by jon1959

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You should have this pained on the side of your house.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

I actually agree with your post. The very best a United Europe could have done years ago was to have built-up a strong European Military and have abandoned the USA years ago by treating it as a Geopolitical threat to be kept at arms distance.

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Dorcus, you need to clear your PMs to receive the one Ive sent you.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Dorcus, you need to clear your PMs to receive the one Ive sent you.

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Ok cheers Bob

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

You should have this pained on the side of your house.

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Nah, I don't need it.

On the other hand you appear to need regular reminders.... have you got a blank gable end?

You could look at it every day from the top of your fence! :thumbup:


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Originally Posted by jon1959

Nah, I don't need it.

On the other hand you appear to need regular reminders.... have you got a blank gable end?

You could look at it every day from the top of your fence! :thumbup:


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You'd never find me on any type of train, real or imagined!

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Alaska is 53 miles away from the Russia mainland and the US Little Diomede Island is 2.4 miles away from the Russian Big Diomede Island, so they could literally have a battle using peashooters! :biggrin:

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Empty land doesn’t typically tend to start invasions. But if the few thousand people in Lavrentiya and Provideniya did fancy their chances against the townsfolk of Nome, I don’t think the Americans would need to send an aircraft carrier along.

For settlements bigger than Rhiwbina, there’s about 2,500 miles between Anchorage and Yakutsk.

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Originally Posted by Canton Kev

Empty land doesn’t typically tend to start invasions. But if the few thousand people in Lavrentiya and Provideniya did fancy their chances against the townsfolk of Nome, I don’t think the Americans would need to send an aircraft carrier along.

For settlements bigger than Rhiwbina, there’s about 2,500 miles between Anchorage and Yakutsk.

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Don't forget all that raw earth under the ground, people are willing to pay a high price for those rare minerals.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Ok cheers Bob

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PM fwiends.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Don't forget all that raw earth under the ground, people are willing to pay a high price for those rare minerals.

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just read about the 100 year resource deal with the Starmer UK government signed by Zelensky dated on January 17

as you say these minerals appear to be in hot demand

Just seen that panorama documentary on the last few days of nonsense

And what a load of nonsense from Trump and his crew it was

I am absolutely astounded that anyone over here can admire that xxxx and the way he behaves

It was way too short and hopefully there will be more decent programmes on it all

I am sure there will be trump t shirt wearing clowns throwing stuff at the tv and saying the BBC is left wing and biased but fck em

https://youtu.be/K2jz1Og6VNY?si=UUbMdFteCF-Q7sQW

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Originally Posted by stevo

https://youtu.be/K2jz1Og6VNY?si=UUbMdFteCF-Q7sQW

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The TYT is a great show Stevo 👍

Can anyone remember the time when people tried to claim that the Trump-Putin love-in was nothing but a hoax!

All MAGA speak and failure of critical faculties, true - but that time really happened. Incredible! :hehe:

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Can anyone remember the time when people tried to claim that the Trump-Putin love-in was nothing but a hoax!

All MAGA speak and failure of critical faculties, true - but that time really happened. Incredible! :hehe:

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Did they do tongues? :sherlock:

Toes more like.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Can anyone remember the time when people tried to claim that the Trump-Putin love-in was nothing but a hoax!

All MAGA speak and failure of critical faculties, true - but that time really happened. Incredible! :hehe:

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There wasn’t any collusion though.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

There wasn’t any collusion though.

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:hehe: It's comedy gold! :hehe:

I’m so disheartened and disgusted by the situation.

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Originally Posted by stevo

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Judging by Donnie's tiny hands he couldn't satisfy a brute like Putin

Just some random thoughts. It's a bit late and I'm tired so please forgive poor grammar here and there!

Trump, Vance and Musk: what an obnoxious trio.

Tariffs: sounds great from Trump’s point of view but, if the USA is like the UK, where practically every non-food item we buy comes from China it won’t be long before the average Joe in the USA finds that his cost of living is going to go up even further. If Trump thinks that these same goods can be manufactured in the USA, then said Joe is going to be even more upset, as there is no way they can compete on cost grounds due to the higher cost of labour.

Ukraine: what a mess. Misinformation and downright lies from Trump et al. The minerals blackmail saga. Europe surely unable to fill the missing billions contributed by the USA and even with the money, unable to manufacture weapons on the scale required in such a short time. Putin presumably unable to believe his luck. He looks certain to keep the parts of the country that have been seized and will probably embolden him to have a pop elsewhere. Can’t see how a few hundred American mining engineers are the equivalent of a peace-keeping force. Presumably they wouldn’t have access to the Russian controlled part of Ukraine anyway as Putin would want to get his grubby hands on whatever minerals are in that area.

This is all surely going to backfire at some point and the whole Trump episode will end in ignominious failure. No Nobel Peace prize on the cards either!

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

Just some random thoughts. It's a bit late and I'm tired so please forgive poor grammar here and there!

Trump, Vance and Musk: what an obnoxious trio.

Tariffs: sounds great from Trump’s point of view but, if the USA is like the UK, where practically every non-food item we buy comes from China it won’t be long before the average Joe in the USA finds that his cost of living is going to go up even further. If Trump thinks that these same goods can be manufactured in the USA, then said Joe is going to be even more upset, as there is no way they can compete on cost grounds due to the higher cost of labour.

Ukraine: what a mess. Misinformation and downright lies from Trump et al. The minerals blackmail saga. Europe surely unable to fill the missing billions contributed by the USA and even with the money, unable to manufacture weapons on the scale required in such a short time. Putin presumably unable to believe his luck. He looks certain to keep the parts of the country that have been seized and will probably embolden him to have a pop elsewhere. Can’t see how a few hundred American mining engineers are the equivalent of a peace-keeping force. Presumably they wouldn’t have access to the Russian controlled part of Ukraine anyway as Putin would want to get his grubby hands on whatever minerals are in that area.

This is all surely going to backfire at some point and the whole Trump episode will end in ignominious failure. No Nobel Peace prize on the cards either!

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I think I agree with all of that - except for the last sentence (unfortunately).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeUZI5RnYGg

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Can anyone remember the time when people tried to claim that the Trump-Putin love-in was nothing but a hoax!

All MAGA speak and failure of critical faculties, true - but that time really happened. Incredible! :hehe:

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Hmm that rings a bell

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeUZI5RnYGg

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That was a good watch.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

He wears what he wears as a statement, and everyone knows why - it has been explained enough over 3 years.

The attack on his clothing was pathetic - and just one part of a crass set up from the Trump menagerie.

The reference to the ocean protecting the USA was a reference to something Donald Trump has said!

'He had better beg, he has a very weak hand.' - beautiful Trumpspeak. Well done!

I am no fan of Zelenskyy, but the Oval Office shit show is all on Trump. There may be some rowing back from both sides, but it turned out to be what couldbe a defining moment in the realignment of the post WW2 world: An isolationist US and expansionist Russia in an alliance - and a geopolitical and economic cold war with Europe and China.

Europeans are traumatised and racing to adjust to the new reality but Xi and Putin are laughing their heads off.

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There you go, he begged it will all be sorted, it can't go on forever.

I said way before he was elected, he'll get them both together and split the territory, neither can completely win.

Few interesting videos from congress last night.

I definitely cannot think of a politician more coated in teflon than Trump. He ploughs on.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cly28qvp83pt

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Few interesting videos from congress last night.

I definitely cannot think of a politician more coated in teflon than Trump. He ploughs on.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cly28qvp83pt

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The speech got a 69% national approval rating if CNN are to be believed.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

The speech got a 69% national approval rating if CNN are to be believed.

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I didn't watch it, and it did seem to be Trump on his best behaviour when he speaks well and passionately, but still I am surprised at that, as people are often so entrenched that nearly every opinion poll seems to be more or less 50/50!

It's true though.

An anti Trump podcast I watched said that the poll was limited to people who had watched the whole speech and speculated that the large majority of those interviewed for the poll would be supporters of his because people who didn’t vote for him wouldn’t have bothered watching it.. Now, the phrase “he would say that wouldn’t he” springs to mind, but I reckon there’s probably a lot of truth to it.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Few interesting videos from congress last night.

I definitely cannot think of a politician more coated in teflon than Trump. He ploughs on.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cly28qvp83pt

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It was embarrassing and littered with untruths.

JD Vance is a right ponce

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