The Two-faced, hypocritical Buffoon and his Party set for a Mauling at PMQ's Today..

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Nope it’s knowing what is a trusted source and what isn’t. If you don’t know that how can one ever make an informed decision on something and not be misled by people trying to mislead?

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left = trusted
right = mistrusted

got it :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by blue matt

left = trusted
right = mistrusted

got it :thumbup:

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Not at all but if you trust the daily mail or the express for your news more fool you.

Do you consider yourself right leaning then Matt? What particular aspects of right leaning politics speak to you?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I posted the data on percentage of the population with a booster vaccine (UK is 2nd in Europe) and the number of deaths per capita for the last week (we are 31st).

If you are interested in facts over opinion then you would respect this information.

However, since you ask, I have looked at the covid deaths per capita for the last month too. UK is 30th in Europe on that

Any rational person who favours factual evidence would take from this that perhaps, just maybe, the UK government is doing better than some of you think.

But hey, insult me all you like. If you want to live in a fantasy land because you are still crying over spilt brexit that's up to you.

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This is a bit like your earlier "Put up an inflammatory headline for middle class lefties to masturbate over and share on twitter and job done"

You like to present yourself as taking a completely evidence-led balanced view, but occasionally the mask slips, doesn't it James?

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Originally Posted by Swiss Peter

:hehe:

This is a bit like your earlier "Put up an inflammatory headline for middle class lefties to masturbate over and share on twitter and job done"

You like to present yourself as taking a completely evidence-led balanced view, but occasionally the mask slips, doesn't it James?

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Satirising people who let ideologies blind their ability to view things rationally isn't a mask slipping..

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Satirising people who let ideologies blind their ability to view things rationally isn't a mask slipping..

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I think this is your code for people who don't share the same ideology as you. Anyway, have a nice evening. I hope you got your tea in the end.

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Originally Posted by Swiss Peter

I think this is your code for people who don't share the same ideology as you. Anyway, have a nice evening. I hope you got your tea in the end.

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Not at all. As long as people are reasonable and rational it's all good.

Look at the name of this thread for a start - that's the level of starting point for some people. Dragging things towards the centre can be hard work!

I did, thanks. A nice schnitzel 👍

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Not at all. As long as people are reasonable and rational it's all good.

Look at the name of this thread for a start - that's the level of starting point for some people. Dragging things towards the centre can be hard work!

I did, thanks. A nice schnitzel 👍

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Excellent - I bloody love schnitzels!

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Not at all but if you trust the daily mail or the express for your news more fool you.

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dont read either to be honest, I have various news feeds ping though on my phone and my MBP ( oh sorry, MacBook Pro )

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Do you consider yourself right leaning then Matt? What particular aspects of right leaning politics speak to you?

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I own 2 Billy Bragg CD's, so no

but seriously

I have spent my life Voting Labour or Plaid , I was a GMB Union rep for a few years, I have only once voted Conservative, so I dont class myself as right leaning, but as I have grown slightly older I have certainly moved away from the left ( but not in favour of the right ) I guess I just want all to have a equal shot at life BUT I dont want the working class to be penalised by the " too lazy to work lot " ( having worked as a carpenter for the local council / housing association I have seen it all ), I do get annoyed when I see people playing the system to screw it over, I guess thats right wing to you though

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Originally Posted by blue matt

left = trusted
right = mistrusted

got it :thumbup:

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You think the Guardian is left ?

It's Liberal

The Daily Mail ......together with The Sun about as right wing as you can get in the media

Tell me you are joking

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Not at all. As long as people are reasonable and rational it's all good.

Look at the name of this thread for a start - that's the level of starting point for some people. Dragging things towards the centre can be hard work!

I did, thanks. A nice schnitzel 👍

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A Quiet Monkfish is NOT left wing I can assure you of that

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

You think the Guardian is left ?

It's Liberal

The Daily Mail ......together with The Sun about as right wing as you can get in the media

Tell me you are joking

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It was suggested that the article was written by a left leaning journo

that wasn't the point though

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Originally Posted by blue matt

dont read either to be honest, I have various news feeds ping though on my phone and my MBP ( oh sorry, MacBook Pro )

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:hehe: I do like a good ongoing joke :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by blue matt

It was suggested that the article was written by a left leaning journo

that wasn't the point though

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So you agree that the Guardian is not left wing and that The Daily Mail is very right wing ?

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Show us an example of where someone has wrongly said an article is a load of shit when it’s been in the mail or written by a right leaning journalist.

Because as far as I can see they’re usually right to call it out. Whereas James has just invented that this guy is a “far leftie” out of nowhere.

People call out the mail because it is absolute rot, maybe the fact you read it and agree with it is why you vote Tory and for brexit despite still not being able to point out any positives of it.

The problem isn’t people calling out “right” and “left” the problem is you can’t understand why people don’t trust certain publications. Despite it being common accepted knowledge as to why.

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Originally Posted by blue matt

dont read either to be honest, I have various news feeds ping though on my phone and my MBP ( oh sorry, MacBook Pro )



I own 2 Billy Bragg CD's, so no

but seriously

I have spent my life Voting Labour or Plaid , I was a GMB Union rep for a few years, I have only once voted Conservative, so I dont class myself as right leaning, but as I have grown slightly older I have certainly moved away from the left ( but not in favour of the right ) I guess I just want all to have a equal shot at life BUT I dont want the working class to be penalised by the " too lazy to work lot " ( having worked as a carpenter for the local council / housing association I have seen it all ), I do get annoyed when I see people playing the system to screw it over, I guess thats right wing to you though

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Matt, you seem a lovely bloke and still.learning about life but believe me getting annoyed when you think people are screwing the system is classic right wing deflection. When you get older you'll find there's much more important things to worry about! Still, I got hope for you, you'll make it in the end.

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Originally Posted by blue matt

dont read either to be honest, I have various news feeds ping though on my phone and my MBP ( oh sorry, MacBook Pro )



I own 2 Billy Bragg CD's, so no

but seriously

I have spent my life Voting Labour or Plaid , I was a GMB Union rep for a few years, I have only once voted Conservative, so I dont class myself as right leaning, but as I have grown slightly older I have certainly moved away from the left ( but not in favour of the right ) I guess I just want all to have a equal shot at life BUT I dont want the working class to be penalised by the " too lazy to work lot " ( having worked as a carpenter for the local council / housing association I have seen it all ), I do get annoyed when I see people playing the system to screw it over, I guess thats right wing to you though

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People screwing the system are a tiny percentage of benefit claimants and the majority need it. It’s something like immigration that has been used by the media as an excuse to divide people and get them to not want a more socialist government even though it would more than likely be better than all of us.

You can read studies that show benefit fraud has an effect of about 0.01% on the country’s budget while tax fraud from companies and billionaires is way way above that.

Now ask yourself why that isn’t reported in newspapers or on the news channels ran by very wealthy people?

This has been clear for so long I can’t believe someone would use this as a reason to vote. All this info is out there if you consume independent trustworthy media. It’s used as propaganda by rags like the express all the time.

This is why people don’t trust articles from the mail or the sun because they have been doing this forever and their intentions are clear and their “facts” are easy disproven.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I posted the data on percentage of the population with a booster vaccine (UK is 2nd in Europe) and the number of deaths per capita for the last week (we are 31st).

If you are interested in facts over opinion then you would respect this information.

However, since you ask, I have looked at the covid deaths per capita for the last month too. UK is 30th in Europe on that

Any rational person who favours factual evidence would take from this that perhaps, just maybe, the UK government is doing better than some of you think.

But hey, insult me all you like. If you want to live in a fantasy land because you are still crying over spilt brexit that's up to you.

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So, you now say we’ve had a good month compared to the rest of Europe, but the data I posted places us twenty ninth in a list of Covid deaths per million of the population over a period of over two years since the disease first appeared. Of the twenty eight countries in front of us, four have a population of under a million which may or may not (I’ve not checked) adversely affect their standing in the table, while sixteen of them are countries which used to be part of the old Warsaw Pact - again, you wonder if the preponderance of such countries has something to do with a lack of resources (certainly, almost all of them must suffer in a comparison with us).

Of the countries which could be called Western European, non Warsaw Pact democracies that may have been members of the old Common Market, Belgium are twenty first and Italy are twenty eighth, all of the others are below us. Maybe that’s why the author of the article (someone whose findings SAGE have used) you dismissed as leftist propaganda used the language he did - right from the first wave, the figures tend to show the UK Government (and, by implication, the devolved Governments) have done worse than countries they share many similarities with and I would argue that there are valid grounds to suggest that the fact we’ve not done even worse is that the ordinary people in the UK have, at times, been ahead of their Governments in anticipating what’s coming.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Pretty hard hitting stuff from someone who has been involved with SAGE.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...t-link-omicron

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I’ve only just got round to reading this, seems a pretty well informed article by an expert in his field. Can someone point out what in it is in anyway left wing?

I can’t see anything online that make me think he’s a “lefty” either. And even if he is it seems a weird way to try and discredit someone who’s an expert making a valid point.

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

Newspapers aside the UK gov data supports some of what TOBW says. But of the home nations, since the start of the pandemic, per capita Wales has the highest incidence, the highest number of deaths as reported as Covid-19 on the death certificate, and highest number of patients admitted to hospital.

All this despite more rigorous restrictions in Wales than the other home nations. So if Worldometers show UK in a bad light compared to many parts of Europe, then what about Wales and our Sendedd...keeping Wales safe!!

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I know you tend to use CSO figures, so I assume you are when you make those claims against the Welsh Government, but this comes from what I presume is a reputable source and suggests something different - it also says that, when it comes to Covid deaths, Wales cannot be compared to the other home nations because of the different way they recorded them in the first wave.

https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/new...e-uk-countries

Also should be noted that wales has a higher average population age

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Also should be noted that wales has a higher average population age

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Interesting that when it comes to high UK incidence the finger is pointed at the incompetence of UK Gov.

When Wales is shown to be the worse of the home nations, the blame is down to something else.

Wales Gov is full of good intent, but their very own rail transport system is an excellent example of playing with fire when it comes to Covid. Frequently packed trains, lots of passengers without masks...and no enforcement. Old trains with all windows closed and wet with condensation.

Our First minister talks about keeping Wales safe, thumps the hospitality industry, asks us to protect a failing NHS that's now entering a third winter of Covid and has done seemingly nothing extra to prepare for it.

And now an off the cuff request from him to get a LFT before we go Christmas shopping to ensure we stay safe in one of his packed trains.

The only thing that Wales has done really well is the vaccination programme, all be it that the programme had a very slow start thanks to our first minister.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I think Boris and his crew could shoot the royal family and kill off everyone over 75 and they would still get elected

The opposition are completely hopeless

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Under 75 for a landslide? Or only over 75s really support the royalty? Interesting point. Maybe a controlled shooting is needed. Like badgers. Pembrokeshire is/was already set up for this.

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

Interesting that when it comes to high UK incidence the finger is pointed at the incompetence of UK Gov.

When Wales is shown to be the worse of the home nations, the blame is down to something else.

Wales Gov is full of good intent, but their very own rail transport system is an excellent example of playing with fire when it comes to Covid. Frequently packed trains, lots of passengers without masks...and no enforcement. Old trains with all windows closed and wet with condensation.

Our First minister talks about keeping Wales safe, thumps the hospitality industry, asks us to protect a failing NHS that's now entering a third winter of Covid and has done seemingly nothing extra to prepare for it.

And now an off the cuff request from him to get a LFT before we go Christmas shopping to ensure we stay safe in one of his packed trains.

The only thing that Wales has done really well is the vaccination programme, all be it that the programme had a very slow start thanks to our first minister.

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With respect John. you're telling us that Wales is the worst of the home nations, but you're not showing us your evidence of that. I'm not saying you're wrong, but the link I posted appears to suggest otherwise.

Agree with you about the trains, I certainly don't fancy travelling to the game in one on Saturday after my experience ten days ago on the way to the Sheffield United match, so I can see me giving it a miss.

More one rule for them and another one for us from the Conservative party;-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-59657361