Justice for George Floyd petition

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

But you know and I know that an armed robber is unlikely to get 25 years to life

But a murderer probably will

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I'm not talking about what they do get with so called 'Tarrifs' but what they should get.
The great train robbers got 30 years! and except for 1 idiot they were actually quite well behaved during the heist.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

I'm not talking about what they do get with so called 'Tarrifs' but what they should get.
The great train robbers got 30 years! and except for 1 idiot they were actually quite well behaved during the heist.

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Do you think someone convicted of murder should spend the rest of their life behind bars ?

A woman who was beaten by her husband eventually knifed him and was convicted of murder because she went out and bought a knife


It took years to get her out . Do you think she should still be in prison ?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Do you think someone convicted of murder should spend the rest of their life behind bars ?

A woman who was beaten by her husband eventually knifed him and was convicted of murder because she went out and bought a knife


It took years to get her out . Do you think she should still be in prison ?

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Every case has its own points to consider! In her case she clearly showed premeditation. If she had stabbed him in the kitchen with the bread knife during a fight it would look a whole lot different.
Do you think a young thug who "Mugs" and old lady at knife point for her pension deserves to get a slap on the wrist or probation or something?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

The difference is floyd is not a person who will be going on trial for murder

Hes dead , hes not a murderer

But that police offer may well be

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Nelson Mandella was!

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Every case has its own points to consider! In her case she clearly showed premeditation. If she had stabbed him in the kitchen with the bread knife during a fight it would look a whole lot different.
Do you think a young thug who "Mugs" and old lady at knife point for her pension deserves to get a slap on the wrist or probation or something?

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I think we can all agree though none of these crimes should end with a policeman kneeling on someone's neck for 8 minutes until they did. Espcially if the person has already served their time.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

I think we can all agree though none of these crimes should end with a policeman kneeling on someone's neck for 8 minutes until they did. Espcially if the person has already served their time.

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Without a doubt. But sludge is now bringing up other things to justify lenience of sentencing. The must be a counter-balance.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Without a doubt. But sludge is now bringing up other things to justify lenience of sentencing. The must be a counter-balance.

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As you said though each case is taken as it comes. Some cases there are good reasons for a more lenient sentence, for others their aren't.

In the case of George Floyd he served his time for what he did then got killed by the police for using a fake $20 bill. There are no ways of excusing that no matter how "vile" someone is considered.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

As you said though each case is taken as it comes. Some cases there are good reasons for a more lenient sentence, for others their aren't.

In the case of George Floyd he served his time for what he did then got killed by the police for using a fake $20 bill. There are no ways of excusing that no matter how "vile" someone is considered.

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I already agree with you on that. I don't think he got killed for passing the bill, I think he got killed for knowing the policeman. But that's just my personal opinion

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Every case has its own points to consider! In her case she clearly showed premeditation. If she had stabbed him in the kitchen with the bread knife during a fight it would look a whole lot different.
Do you think a young thug who "Mugs" and old lady at knife point for her pension deserves to get a slap on the wrist or probation or something?

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Certainly not , I would send him to a young offenders institution , its serious crime

She had suffered years of abuse and violence . She snapped and went and got a knife . Life means life ?

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

I already agree with you on that. I don't think he got killed for passing the bill, I think he got killed for knowing the policeman. But that's just my personal opinion

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Would it excuse it if he knew him?

Have you got any evidence that he knew the guy? The only place I've seen it mentioned it on here.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

I already agree with you on that. I don't think he got killed for passing the bill, I think he got killed for knowing the policeman. But that's just my personal opinion

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Im not quite sure just knowing a policeman is worthy of death by asphyxiation to be fair.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Certainly not , I would send him to a young offenders institution , its serious crime

She had suffered years of abuse and violence . She snapped and went and got a knife . Life means life ?

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The point for the woman is that she deliberately went out and purchased a knife to kill him with. in law that is a perfect demonstration of intent and malice aforethought. As I said if she had stabbed him with a pre-owned knife in the kitchen it would have been entirely different.
Why put the thug in a young offenders place, you don't know his age? Are are you assuming all muggers are too young to go to prison?

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Im not quite sure just knowing a policeman is worthy of death by asphyxiation to be fair.

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Well perhaps my reply may have been a tad to simplistic!!!!:tumbleweed:

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Very fair point

The 5 men charged with the horrific murder of lynette white in butetown were known to the police

They had convictions

Some would say some of their activity was vile . The boyfriend of lynette white was her pimp and a drug dealer

He , along with 4 others were charged with her murder , a crime they didnt commit

Should we have a society where bad or vile people should be punished for something they didnt do ?

Or in the George floyd case killed for being dodgy ?

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And Marty is back to 1990. Why do you insist on bringing it all back to the Lynette White case?

She was murdered in 1988. 32 years ago. It has absolutely no relevance to modern day society.

And also her boyfriend had the mental capacity of a child, he was hardly Huggy Bear.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

The point for the woman is that she deliberately went out and purchased a knife to kill him with. in law that is a perfect demonstration of intent and malice aforethought. As I said if she had stabbed him with a pre-owned knife in the kitchen it would have been entirely different.
Why put the thug in a young offenders place, you don't know his age? Are are you assuming all muggers are too young to go to prison?

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He probably thinks Borstal still exists mun. Hes stuck in the past.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Would it excuse it if he knew him?

Have you got any evidence that he knew the guy? The only place I've seen it mentioned it on here.

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Lucky you. Weve got Splott Dai next door with his conspiracy theories banging on about the cop killing floyd because they knew each other and were involved in organised crime. Youre not Splotty are you Snaggles?? :sherlock:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-52977088

Band wagon politics or what? How many years has he had to do this?

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-52977088

Band wagon politics or what? How many years has he had to do this?

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Strike while the iron is hot I suppose. Especially if you have to get elected, doesn’t hurt to do something that’s currently popular.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Lucky you. Weve got Splott Dai next door with his conspiracy theories banging on about the cop killing floyd because they knew each other and were involved in organised crime. Youre not Splotty are you Snaggles?? :sherlock:

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If I was I wouldn't be telling you, lol.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Strike while the iron is hot I suppose. Especially if you have to get elected, doesn’t hurt to do something that’s currently popular.

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That's about right. At least the Mayor of Bristol was honest enough when he said he had more important things to do.

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Originally Posted by Croesy Blue

Would it excuse it if he knew him?

Have you got any evidence that he knew the guy? The only place I've seen it mentioned it on here.

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I am only going on reports that they worked at the same nightclub, anecdotal evidence that retells that the cop was tipped offf about the guy when he started working there. And I seem to recall hearing that the cop was sacked from the job.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-52977088

Band wagon politics or what? How many years has he had to do this?

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The decolonisation movement has been active for years

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Nelson Mandella was!

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He was convicted by a white jury in a land where he was denied civil rights and his people were forced to work in hard labour or as servants for their white masters and then sent to live in poverty ridden townships

It's been argued he was a freedom fighter

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

He was convicted by a white jury in a land where he was denied civil rights and his people were forced to work in hard labour or as servants for their white masters and then sent to live in poverty ridden townships

It's been argued he was a freedom fighter

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But he was still a murder, and all the people he actually killed were non-white. Murder is murder how ever you dress it up. If I said Begim was a murderer you would not hesitate to agree with me.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

And Marty is back to 1990. Why do you insist on bringing it all back to the Lynette White case?

She was murdered in 1988. 32 years ago. It has absolutely no relevance to modern day society.

And also her boyfriend had the mental capacity of a child, he was hardly Huggy Bear.

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It's one of Britain's most notorious miscarriages of justice and police corruption . It happened in cardiff. T

It might not be relevant to you but it's certainly relevant in butetown where most of the people are black , unlike you and me and where 3 black men were fitted up

Hillsborough happened a long time ago , do you think that has no relevance to today's society ?

Stephen Miller's learning difficulties were one of the reasons why the police targeted him and forced a signed confession


Innocent !

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

He probably thinks Borstal still exists mun. Hes stuck in the past.

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Talking of the past hurry up and bring up that post where I said the racism against chinese people was nothing in the grand scheme of things

I think I will be here till xmas

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

But he was still a murder, and all the people he actually killed were non-white. Murder is murder how ever you dress it up. If I said Begim was a murderer you would not hesitate to agree with me.

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I think it's a little bit more nuanced than that tbh. Do you think anyone who has ever killed someone is a murderer?

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

That's about right. At least the Mayor of Bristol was honest enough when he said he had more important things to do.

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I can't find a quote attributed to him that comes close to that. Bit of help, xsnaggle?

You'll also be pleased to hear that the Cardiff Council leader and the Lord Mayor have called for the removal of the statue of Thomas Picton from City Hall.

It's a pandemic!

Any Churchill statues in Cardiff or Wales ?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

It's one of Britain's most notorious miscarriages of justice and police corruption . It happened in cardiff. T

It might not be relevant to you but it's certainly relevant in butetown where most of the people are black , unlike you and me and where 3 black men were fitted up

Hillsborough happened a long time ago , do you think that has no relevance to today's society ?

Stephen Miller's learning difficulties were one of the reasons why the police targeted him and forced a signed confession


Innocent !

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No, Hillsborough has no relevance to todays society. In terms of attending football matches it has never been safer. Lessons were learned and we evolve as a society.

Society in 2020 is a completely different one to 1990. Take off the Barkers Baggies and get with the times.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

No, Hillsborough has no relevance to todays society. In terms of attending football matches it has never been safer. Lessons were learned and we evolve as a society.

Society in 2020 is a completely different one to 1990. Take off the Barkers Baggies and get with the times.

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Doesn't that make Hillsborough very relevant? All the safety comes directly from that. After other tragedies like Bradford, nothing changed.

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

No, Hillsborough has no relevance to todays society. In terms of attending football matches it has never been safer. Lessons were learned and we evolve as a society.

Society in 2020 is a completely different one to 1990. Take off the Barkers Baggies and get with the times.

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talking of barkers baggies, what was the shirt most used to were, i claudious was it ( or something like that )

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

And Marty is back to 1990. Why do you insist on bringing it all back to the Lynette White case?

She was murdered in 1988. 32 years ago. It has absolutely no relevance to modern day society.

And also her boyfriend had the mental capacity of a child, he was hardly Huggy Bear.

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Not sure no relevance to modern day society is correct, I watched the OJ documentary on iPlayer the other day and OJs crowd was all saying payback payback after the court case, when it was put to a civil rights activist that the court case was payback for a recent (at the time) infamous beating he said payback not just for that but the last 400 years.

Remove every statue and building I say , they just attract pigeon shit and traffic cones .

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

I'm not talking about what they do get with so called 'Tarrifs' but what they should get.
The great train robbers got 30 years! and except for 1 idiot they were actually quite well behaved during the heist.

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Should attempted murder be treated the same as murder ?

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Originally Posted by trampie09

Should attempted murder be treated the same as murder ?

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Yes. Being shit at murdering shouldn't get you off the hook.

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Originally Posted by Heisenberg

Yes. Being shit at murdering shouldn't get you off the hook.

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Exactly.

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Originally Posted by trampie09

Should attempted murder be treated the same as murder ?

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depends on who murders who and for what reason , if its a protester of a fine cause one may find a different outcome for a killing .

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Every case has its own points to consider! In her case she clearly showed premeditation. If she had stabbed him in the kitchen with the bread knife during a fight it would look a whole lot different.
Do you think a young thug who "Mugs" and old lady at knife point for her pension deserves to get a slap on the wrist or probation or something?

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Young thug....hmm, shouldn't the parents of the young thug go to jail ?

Trampie and life on mars working the same shift again I see