40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Last night Robert Peston asked Keir Starmer if an Israeli soldier shooting a Palestinian man in cold blood while he carried a white flag was a war crime. Starmer said it would be unwise to say.

Its never unwise when he's asked if Russia is committing war crimes, though.

https://x.com/saulstaniforth/status/...LhmySD2aRt-GNg

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Sir Kier is worried about the Rwanda deal as well albeit he stares at the his beloved Arsenal advertising of this country as its continues to sponsor the gunners , what a double header Mr Hindsight Sir Down On One Knee , he will be found out and exposed as we move ,he is so lucky Boris is not staring at him at the despatch box

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Originally Posted by jon1959

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...nocide-in-gaza

A group of prominent Israelis has accused the country’s judicial authorities of ignoring “extensive and blatant” incitement to genocide and ethnic cleansing in Gaza by influential public figures.

In a letter to the attorney general and state prosecutors, they demand action to stop the normalisation of language that breaks both Israeli and international law.

“For the first time that we can remember, the explicit calls to commit atrocious crimes, as stated, against millions of civilians have turned into a legitimate and regular part of Israeli discourse,” they write. “Today, calls of these types are an everyday matter in Israel.”

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And they are in China, Syria , Iran , Russia , India , Armenia , Hamas Tunnels , Zimbabwe ,Türkiye, Cuba , Ukraine ,Serbia , Napal ,Afghanistan .... but hey they are not the nasty Jews or Israel man

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Originally Posted by life on mars

And they are in China, Syria , Iran , Russia , India , Armenia , Hamas Tunnels , Zimbabwe ,Türkiye, Cuba , Ukraine ,Serbia , Napal ,Afghanistan .... but hey they are not the nasty Jews or Israel man

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What are in China, Syria..... Cuba, Ukraine....etc?

Calls to commit genocide?

You may be right in a few of those cases.

But how is that whataboutery relevant to the statement of a prominent group of Jewish Israelis to their government in the middle of the Gaza crisis?

Who are 'the nasty Jews or Israel man'? The inciters to genocide, or their fellow citizens calling them out?

Or are you just treating us to another bout of gobbledebullshit?

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Originally Posted by jon1959

What are in China, Syria..... Cuba, Ukraine....etc?

Calls to commit genocide?

You may be right in a few of those cases.

But how is that whataboutery relevant to the statement of a prominent group of Jewish Israelis to their government in the middle of the Gaza crisis?

Who are 'the nasty Jews or Israel man'? The inciters to genocide, or their fellow citizens calling them out?

Or are you just treating us to another bout of gobbledebullshit?

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I think it is your last sentence is the correct one.:thumbup:

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Originally Posted by jon1959

What are in China, Syria..... Cuba, Ukraine....etc?

Calls to commit genocide?

You may be right in a few of those cases.

But how is that whataboutery relevant to the statement of a prominent group of Jewish Israelis to their government in the middle of the Gaza crisis?

Who are 'the nasty Jews or Israel man'? The inciters to genocide, or their fellow citizens calling them out?

Or are you just treating us to another bout of gobbledebullshit?

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It is said that when you are dead, you do not know you are dead — the pain is only felt by others. The same is true for being stupid

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

It is said that when you are dead, you do not know you are dead — the pain is only felt by others. The same is true for being stupid

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"It is said that when you are dead, you do not know you are dead"

It is said by who?

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

"It is said that when you are dead, you do not know you are dead"

It is said by who?

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Taunton Blue Genie. It literally says the name above the post :shrug:

The Gospel According to Ricky:

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Originally Posted by jon1959

The Gospel According to Ricky:

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Gervais didn't originate that aphorism though. It was previously originally uttered in 1995 and in French by the Belgian, Phillipe Geluck. He could have, in turn, heard it elsewhere, of course.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Gervais didn't originate that aphorism though. It was previously originally uttered in 1995 and in French by the Belgian, Phillipe Geluck. He could have, in turn, heard it elsewhere, of course.

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The Gospel According to Philippe:

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"La mort, c'est un peu comme la connerie. Le mort, lui, il ne sait pas qu'il est mort. Ce sont les autres qui sont tristes. Le con, c'est pareil."

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Nice try, unfortunately you accused me of fabricating a quote from someone?
So either apologise or post the 'misquote' (!!)??

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Sod all that rubbish, did you appropriate the full stops correctly mun. I'll be on my 25th booster before you get an apology from the meanie.

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Horrifying image in the Guardian showing the levels of destruction in Gaza.

imagine if someone had done similar to Wales and then tried to convince everyone that they are just trying to weed out a few terrorists, it definitely wouldn't feel that way to us.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

Gervais didn't originate that aphorism though. It was previously originally uttered in 1995 and in French by the Belgian, Phillipe Geluck. He could have, in turn, heard it elsewhere, of course.

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Or he could have made it up himself, not knowing somebody else had said it? It could even have originated decades/centuries ago in Greek, Latin or Chinese, and Phillipe Geluck didn't know about it either.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

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Horrifying image in the Guardian showing the levels of destruction in Gaza.

imagine if someone had done similar to Wales and then tried to convince everyone that they are just trying to weed out a few terrorists, it definitely wouldn't feel that way to us.

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It would be a lot more horrifying if I was looking at zoomed in satellite images instead or red dots.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

I guess you thought it was safe to venture out of your bottle after your last aborted attack when you accused me of fabricating a quote from someone. As it is with all such individuals, you had nothing so resorted to invention.

And more recently, I didn't say Iran was wholesome as a nation, I actually said "they are comparatively seen as another wholesome nation", which is how most nations are classified after Israel reacts to any unprovoked attack.

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Best re-read the exchange involved as verbatim and your interpretations of exchanges are not the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Rjk

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Horrifying image in the Guardian showing the levels of destruction in Gaza.

imagine if someone had done similar to Wales and then tried to convince everyone that they are just trying to weed out a few terrorists, it definitely wouldn't feel that way to us.

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I can think of a few on this board who would likely resort to the same level of devastation if they thought it could oust Mr Drakeford.

I can't imagine that anyone is really interested in the following (and I tried my best not to respond to truthpaste's posts as I think his prejudice gets in the way of facts) but I'll put this out there once and for all. You can decide who is the fantasist:

It all seem to start with a comment of mine , as follows:

"Neither Hamas nor the Israeli government are known for their humanitarianism and compassion for their fellow man of a different religious persuasion. No irony is involved."
The above is contained in post https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...=1#post5472305

He responded with a post, the salient question from him being:
"If there is nothing to choose between them, please post Israel's publicly announced desire to eradicate an entire nation.....?"
https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...=1#post5472306

My reply was "Are you incapable of reading what I wrote? Are you really that stupid to fabricate straw man arguments and to misrepresent my comments to fit your own myopic religious agenda?" i.e. I never commented that there is 'nothing to choose between them'.
See https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...=1#post5472308

And here's the exchange where Stevo rejects truthpaste's interpretation of his post:

truthpaste's post
https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...=1#post5472341

Stevo's reply
https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...=1#post5472345

And immediately after the above accusation directed at Stevo, my reply to another one of truthpaste's accusations (and which was meant to be patronising, it seems. However, as someone who has worked in International Relations and with governments around the world I found it merely amusing. I have also visited Israel, The West Bank, Jordan, Egypt and Israel but that's by the by):
https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...=1#post5478538

This is a link to jon1959's post about truthpaste's deliberate smears of those criticising the act of the Isreli government:
https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...=1#post5478538

I don't intend getting into futher dialogue of any kind with truthpaste - as accuracy and truth are seemingly a moving feast for him, which is ironic concerning his religiosity.

For 'concerning' in the last sentence above, read 'considering'.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

For 'concerning' in the last sentence above, read 'considering'.

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Are you writing a script for CCMB the Movie?

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

Are you writing a script for CCMB the Movie?

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I hope they restore the Sludge out-takes in the Director's Cut version.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

I can't imagine that anyone is really interested in the following (and I tried my best not to respond to truthpaste's posts as I think his prejudice gets in the way of facts) but I'll put this out there once and for all. You can decide who is the fantasist:

It all seem to start with a comment of mine , as follows:

"Neither Hamas nor the Israeli government are known for their humanitarianism and compassion for their fellow man of a different religious persuasion. No irony is involved."
The above is contained in post https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...=1#post5472305

He responded with a post, the salient question from him being:
"If there is nothing to choose between them, please post Israel's publicly announced desire to eradicate an entire nation.....?"
https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...=1#post5472306

My reply was "Are you incapable of reading what I wrote? Are you really that stupid to fabricate straw man arguments and to misrepresent my comments to fit your own myopic religious agenda?" i.e. I never commented that there is 'nothing to choose between them'.
See https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...=1#post5472308

And here's the exchange where Stevo rejects truthpaste's interpretation of his post:

truthpaste's post
https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...=1#post5472341

Stevo's reply
https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...=1#post5472345

And immediately after the above accusation directed at Stevo, my reply to another one of truthpaste's accusations (and which was meant to be patronising, it seems. However, as someone who has worked in International Relations and with governments around the world I found it merely amusing. I have also visited Israel, The West Bank, Jordan, Egypt and Israel but that's by the by):
https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...=1#post5478538

This is a link to jon1959's post about truthpaste's deliberate smears of those criticising the act of the Isreli government:
https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...=1#post5478538

I don't intend getting into futher dialogue of any kind with truthpaste - as accuracy and truth are seemingly a moving feast for him, which is ironic concerning his religiosity.

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Indeed, why would anyone who has no valid argument wish to engage anyone?
Your world view is a familiar one, as is your attitude to anything related to Israel.

I am always open to dialogue and while we may never have the same foundation, I see no reason to dismiss you or anyone who shares your familiar take on life, the universe etc

So, Truthpaste - do you still defend Israel’s actions in response to Hamas’ terrorist attack?

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Indeed, why would anyone who has no valid argument wish to engage anyone?
Your world view is a familiar one, as is your attitude to anything related to Israel.

I am always open to dialogue and while we may never have the same foundation, I see no reason to dismiss you or anyone who shares your familiar take on life, the universe etc

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Pathetic swerve.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

I hope they restore the Sludge out-takes in the Director's Cut version.

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:hehe:

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Originally Posted by stevo

So, Truthpaste - do you still defend Israel’s actions in response to Hamas’ terrorist attack?

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I don't know of any democratic country that following such a hideous attack on its citizens wouldn't act against the terrorists that plotted and executed that plan.
That doesn't mean I endorse every single act of Israel, however which war in all of history has ended up with any side involved in the conflict completely innocent in all it has said and done?

Also rewind to October 6th; if tomorrow, the deadliest day for the Jewish people since the Holocaust wasn't going to happen, how much innocent blood in that region would now have been shed?
Also how many hostiges would currently be in Gaza?

I’d expect any country to act and respond to a terrorist attack made against them. The question is - do you think Israel’s level of response is proportionate and appropriate?

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Originally Posted by stevo

I’d expect any country to act and respond to a terrorist attack made against them. The question is - do you think Israel’s level of response is proportionate and appropriate?

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Proportionate - as reported, not entirely.
Appropriate - absolutely, until the last hostage is released.

On 7 October 2023, 1,139 Israelis and foreign nationals, including 764 civilians, were killed, and 248 persons taken hostage during the initial attack on Israel from the Gaza Strip. Since then, over 26,637 Palestinians (the majority of whom were women and children) in the Gaza Strip have been killed according to the Gaza Health Ministry.

You think that’s appropriate? Not to mention the fact that over half of the Palestinian’s buildings have now been destroyed and left without power, water and access to medical aid.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Proportionate - as reported, not entirely.
Appropriate - absolutely, until the last hostage is released.

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The saying is @n eye for an eye, not twenty plus eyes for an eye.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

The saying is @n eye for an eye, not twenty plus eyes for an eye.

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Fair point. What I don't understand though is why the protesters don't call on Hamas to release hostages. I would have so much more respect for them if that was a core part of the message

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Fair point. What I don't understand though is why the protesters don't call on Hamas to release hostages. I would have so much more respect for them if that was a core part of the message

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Many of them do - as do many of the platform speakers at the rallies at the end.

But the focus of the local and national (and international) demonstrations for Gaza is ‘ceasefire now’.

That is what the demonstrators are demanding via our government, the US government, European and other ‘western’ governments who have all refused to take that position or to use their influence on Israel (especially the US) to stop the slaughter in Gaza and the West Bank.

Protestors’ do not need to give equal prominence to calls for release of the hostages. All those governments are saying that anyway.

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Originally Posted by stevo

On 7 October 2023, 1,139 Israelis and foreign nationals, including 764 civilians, were killed, and 248 persons taken hostage during the initial attack on Israel from the Gaza Strip. Since then, over 26,637 Palestinians (the majority of whom were women and children) in the Gaza Strip have been killed according to the Gaza Health Ministry.

You think that’s appropriate? Not to mention the fact that over half of the Palestinian’s buildings have now been destroyed and left without power, water and access to medical aid.

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Did you feel the same way when Saddam placed women & children in equally strategic positions which would ensure they were killed or injured, producing similar outcry from the majority far and wide?

When we look at this conflct in isolation it will look disproportionate; when we look at the larger agenda of Iranian backed groups and the history of many nations all with the same aim - the extermination of all Jews worldwide, it will look very different, particularly to those who study history and know the complete history of that region, and not just recent decades.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Indeed, why would anyone who has no valid argument wish to engage anyone?
Your world view is a familiar one, as is your attitude to anything related to Israel.

I am always open to dialogue and while we may never have the same foundation, I see no reason to dismiss you or anyone who shares your familiar take on life, the universe etc

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I have clearly established your deliberate twisting of other posters words and comments but perhaps you can fabricate some other comments I have made about Israel other that the one I reproduced a few messages ago. I'll wait......

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Did you feel the same way when Saddam placed women & children in equally strategic positions which would ensure they were killed or injured, producing similar outcry from the majority far and wide?

When we look at this conflct in isolation it will look disproportionate; when we look at the larger agenda of Iranian backed groups and the history of many nations all with the same aim - the extermination of all Jews worldwide, it will look very different, particularly to those who study history and know the complete history of that region, and not just recent decades.

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It’s not about strategic placement of civilians though is it? Israel told Palestinians to move south and bombed the crap out of them anyway.

I did not support the war in Iraq either.

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Originally Posted by stevo

It’s not about strategic placement of civilians though is it? Israel told Palestinians to move south and bombed the crap out of them anyway.

I did not support the war in Iraq either.

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It's interesting how coordinated Islamic Countries can be in attacking Israel (1967/ 1973 for example), yet not so in evacuating their fellow Muslims caught up in the bloody scheming/ agenda of Hamas.
As ever, people are not interested in considering the bigger picture re Israel and the land surrounding it's borders.
Two dreadful wrongs will never make a right, but on this occasion who actually struck the match?

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

It's interesting how coordinated Islamic Countries can be in attacking Israel (1967/ 1973 for example), yet not so in evacuating their fellow Muslims caught up in the bloody scheming/ agenda of Hamas.
As ever, people are not interested in considering the bigger picture re Israel and the land surrounding it's borders.
Two dreadful wrongs will never make a right, but on this occasion who actually struck the match?

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Your 'bigger picture' is a fine old mix of distortion, invention and air brushing.

'Islamic countries' didn't co-ordinate in 1967 - they scrambled to respond to an Israeli pre-planned attack. They barely co-ordinated in 1948 or 1973 either.

Why should they 'evacuate' 'fellow Muslims' from Gaza - they should be doing everything possible to stop the war and allow the Palestinians of Gaza to live free and safely in their homes. Are they supposed to evacuate Palestinian Christians and non believers too?

Hamas had a bloody/scheming agenda, but it is dwarfed by the bloody/scheming agenda of the Israeli government and military!

A match was struck on 7 October - clearly - but the fires had been burning (and the corpses and injustices mounting up) for decades.

It is convenient to pretend that history began on 7 October - but it is not true. As the Secretary General of the UN explained (to Israeli outrage) in November - there was a long and bloody backstory of Israeli persecution, expropriation and apartheid before the Hamas attack.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Your 'bigger picture' is a fine old mix of distortion, invention and air brushing.

'Islamic countries' didn't co-ordinate in 1967 - they scrambled to respond to an Israeli pre-planned attack. They barely co-ordinated in 1948 or 1973 either.

Why should they 'evacuate' 'fellow Muslims' from Gaza - they should be doing everything possible to stop the war and allow the Palestinians of Gaza to live free and safely in their homes. Are they supposed to evacuate Palestinian Christians and non believers too?

Hamas had a bloody/scheming agenda, but it is dwarfed by the bloody/scheming agenda of the Israeli government and military!

A match was struck on 7 October - clearly - but the fires had been burning (and the corpses and injustices mounting up) for decades.

It is convenient to pretend that history began on 7 October - but it is not true. As the Secretary General of the UN explained (to Israeli outrage) in November - there was a long and bloody backstory of Israeli persecution, expropriation and apartheid before the Hamas attack.

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I'm sure the BBC would agree with you.
It's no wonder the events of Ezekiel 38/39 & Psalm 83 will take place very soon with the narrative you and so many others have bought.
For now, we can agree to disagree. Shalom.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

It's interesting how coordinated Islamic Countries can be in attacking Israel (1967/ 1973 for example), yet not so in evacuating their fellow Muslims caught up in the bloody scheming/ agenda of Hamas.
As ever, people are not interested in considering the bigger picture re Israel and the land surrounding it's borders.
Two dreadful wrongs will never make a right, but on this occasion who actually struck the match?

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

I'm sure the BBC would agree with you.
It's no wonder the events of Ezekiel 38/39 & Psalm 83 will take place very soon with the narrative you and so many others have bought.
For now, we can agree to disagree. Shalom.

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I don’t know where to begin with either of these responses, so I’ll leave it at that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW-1BgdAK_E

36 Israeli children were killed in the Hamas attack on 7 October.

11,500 Palestinian children have been killed in the Israeli retribution (or genocide) since.