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RonnieBird
Insane ? No I don't think so after some of the thinly disguised anti semitism on these threads recently
John Profumo
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cyril evans awaydays
I guess those law revering, democracy loving, independent thinking, intellectually superior minds would be all over this. Particularly as Inspector General reports and whistle-blowers have been so important in their narrative. Seems I was hasty to completely ignore their views just when deep state are denying an IG and whistleblower transparency to the people.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Whistleblower has disappeared. Where is the Whistleblower?</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1190734818595758085?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 2, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Dorcus
John Profumo
Who turned out to be guilty of course
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Some news that has bypassed CCMB in the last week.
US national debt has surpassed $23 trillion for the first time: https://www.usdebtclock.org/
Then there was this: Federal deficit increases 26% to $984 billion for fiscal 2019, highest in 7 years https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/25/fede...scal-2019.html
April 4, 2016: Donald Trump: I will eliminate U.S. debt in 8 years https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...ebt-in-8-years
Instead since his election win he's added $3.2 trillion to it and is outspending Obama.
All while continuing to claim the US economy is the greatest ever.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Trump's tweets about a “whistleblower” this morning are not about the current whistleblower.<br><br>They are actually threats to any potential new whistleblowers that he will harass and out them.<br><br>You are watching obstruction of justice in real-time. <a href="https://t.co/PWqFwGnjiL">pic.twitter.com/PWqFwGnjiL</a></p>— Mrs. Betty Bowers (@BettyBowers) <a href="https://twitter.com/BettyBowers/status/1191361903123222530?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This happened in one paragraph. <a href="https://t.co/pi5uvNyDyU">https://t.co/pi5uvNyDyU</a> <a href="https://t.co/UwkMR0vSp4">pic.twitter.com/UwkMR0vSp4</a></p>— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) <a href="https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1191360101870964736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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lardy
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Trump's tweets about a “whistleblower” this morning are not about the current whistleblower.<br><br>They are actually threats to any potential new whistleblowers that he will harass and out them.<br><br>You are watching obstruction of justice in real-time. <a href="https://t.co/PWqFwGnjiL">pic.twitter.com/PWqFwGnjiL</a></p>— Mrs. Betty Bowers (@BettyBowers) <a href="https://twitter.com/BettyBowers/status/1191361903123222530?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 4, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
I'm just surprised that he didn't refer the whistleblowers as rats this time.
I'm sure the President of the USA knows far more about this than I do - but I was always assured that whistleblowers are protected from being treated unfairly if they come forward with information that is beneficial to public interest? It must be me that's wrong.
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Heisenberg
I'm just surprised that he didn't refer the whistleblowers as rats this time.
I'm sure the President of the USA knows far more about this than I do - but I was always assured that whistleblowers are protected from being treated unfairly if they come forward with information that is beneficial to public interest? It must be me that's wrong.
To be a whistlenlower you have to follow a specific whistleblower procedure. Going directly to Schiff and colluding with him was probably not the cleverest thing to do. Lots of juicy stuff to come ...
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Heisenberg
I'm just surprised that he didn't refer the whistleblowers as rats this time.
I'm sure the President of the USA knows far more about this than I do - but I was always assured that whistleblowers are protected from being treated unfairly if they come forward with information that is beneficial to public interest? It must be me that's wrong.
Dual tactics, discredit the person who is under whistleblower protection (likely person already outed on the alt-right sites that pretend to care about the US Constitution) and to discourage others (presumably from saying how squeaky clean and perfect Trump is on other matters or things he may do in the future).
The first bit is a distraction as Trump appointed officials have already given first hand accounts which go further than the whistleblower statement. Indeed Trump and his Chief of Staff have confessed more than that, live on tv! Obviously there will be a few slavish acolytes that follow the distraction.
The second bit.. who knows. Can't remember too many campaigns being won by retreating ever further into a bunker but then again Twitter is a more recent innovation for the paranoid and cornered.
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cyril evans awaydays
Dual tactics, discredit the person who is under whistleblower protection (likely person already outed on the alt-right sites that pretend to care about the US Constitution) and to discourage others (presumably from saying how squeaky clean and perfect Trump is on other matters or things he may do in the future).
The first bit is a distraction as Trump appointed officials have already given first hand accounts which go further than the whistleblower statement. Indeed Trump and his Chief of Staff have confessed more than that, live on tv! Obviously there will be a few slavish acolytes that follow the distraction.
The second bit.. who knows. Can't remember too many campaigns being won by retreating ever further into a bunker but then again Twitter is a more recent innovation for the paranoid and cornered.
Fair play you never give up, and you've decided to go down with the ship. BTW, where did you get the latest Lawfare talking points from, are you on the mailing list?
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RonnieBird
Well, it's an undoubted fact that his name will be known to people long after all other British politicians have been forgotten .
Why do you paraphrase that old saying - is it a bit of political correctness ?
I'm no Nigel fan but I would suggest he will go down in history of having changed politics forever .
If I was Boris and I won he next election I 'd put him charge of negation the trade deal with Europe just of the crack and the look on their faces :biggrin:
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life on mars
I'm no Nigel fan but I would suggest he will go down in history of having changed politics forever .
If I was Boris and I won he next election I 'd put him charge of negation the trade deal with Europe just of the crack and the look on their faces :biggrin:
I absolutely agree, I think there's every chance he'll be NEGATING the trade deal with Europe.
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cyril evans awaydays
Dual tactics, discredit the person who is under whistleblower protection (likely person already outed on the alt-right sites that pretend to care about the US Constitution) and to discourage others (presumably from saying how squeaky clean and perfect Trump is on other matters or things he may do in the future).
The first bit is a distraction as Trump appointed officials have already given first hand accounts which go further than the whistleblower statement. Indeed Trump and his Chief of Staff have confessed more than that, live on tv! Obviously there will be a few slavish acolytes that follow the distraction.
The second bit.. who knows. Can't remember too many campaigns being won by retreating ever further into a bunker but then again Twitter is a more recent innovation for the paranoid and cornered.
The Russia thing never truly convinced me about 'collusion' but there were things that I thought constituted investigations (the Trump Tower meeting, Trump publicly asking Russia to hack Clinton's emails and Trump firing Comey after asking him to do him a favour), but this scandal seems to have a lot more going for it at the moment.
I won't get my hopes up until he's physically out of office though.
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Heisenberg
The Russia thing never truly convinced me about 'collusion' but there were things that I thought constituted investigations (the Trump Tower meeting, Trump publicly asking Russia to hack Clinton's emails and Trump firing Comey after asking him to do him a favour), but this scandal seems to have a lot more going for it at the moment.
I won't get my hopes up until he's physically out of office though.
Ultimately it comes down to whether the Republican Party wants to try and put the genie back in the bottle rather than the merits of whether Trump coercing a foreign government to dig dirt on who he perceives as his biggest rival is an impeachment offence or not. It's pretty unlikely at the moment that they will turn against him but there are a number of vulnerable Senators out there who will be watching voter reaction as more facts unfold.
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cyril evans awaydays
Ultimately it comes down to whether the Republican Party wants to try and put the genie back in the bottle rather than the merits of whether Trump coercing a foreign government to dig dirt on who he perceives as his biggest rival is an impeachment offence or not. It's pretty unlikely at the moment that they will turn against him but there are a number of vulnerable Senators out there who will be watching voter reaction as more facts unfold.
One thing's for sure... They'll throw him under the bus if he loses the election next year.
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Heisenberg
One thing's for sure... They'll throw him under the bus if he loses the election next year.
Will it be Boris's bus?
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One for the Trump Russia Collusion "conspiracy theorists" among us ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvkmJsTk9RQ
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lardy
As more of his administration realise the way the wind is blowing and more public support for impeachment increases, the more you'll see trump swinging wildly at anything that moves.
Fine if it's trying to put down a famous person. Not so fine when he's condemning his allies, like the Kurds. Expect more innocent deaths as he goes into his own death throes.
Looks like this contributor was on the money again.
Sondland now says "oh PRESIDENT Trump. Sorry I thought you meant someone else. Oh yes, I had phone calls about the quid pro quo. I told the Ukraine president's top advisor that resumption of the US aid would likely not occur until Ukraine provided the public anticorruption statement that we had been discussing for many weeks"
Who will be next to desert the big man?
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50311633
'Democrats claim victory in key Virginia and Kentucky elections'
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Democrat Andy Beshear claimed victory in Kentucky's governor vote, after a tight race in the conservative-leaning state.
Meanwhile, Democrats seized full control of the legislature in Virginia for the first time in over 20 years.
The loss in Kentucky will be seen as a setback for Mr Trump, who attempted to galvanise support for Mr Bevin at a campaign rally in Kentucky on Monday night.
In a speech to thousands of supporters, Mr Trump said a loss for Mr Bevin would be characterised as "the greatest defeat in the history of the world" by his critics.
Mr Beshear, he said, was "too extreme and too dangerous" to govern the state.
However polls showed Mr Bevin was one of the least popular governors in the country, following high-profile battles with unions and teachers.
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lardy
Looks like this contributor was on the money again.
Sondland now says "oh PRESIDENT Trump. Sorry I thought you meant someone else. Oh yes, I had phone calls about the quid pro quo. I told the Ukraine president's top advisor that resumption of the US aid would likely not occur until Ukraine provided the public anticorruption statement that we had been discussing for many weeks"
Who will be next to desert the big man?
Is this the same Sondland who Trump was praising on Twitter last month?
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Donald J. Trump
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I would love to send Ambassador Sondland, a really good man and great American, to testify, but unfortunately he would be testifying before a totally compromised kangaroo court, where Republican’s rights have been taken away, and true facts are not allowed out for the public....
....to see. Importantly, Ambassador Sondland’s tweet, which few report, stated, “I believe you are incorrect about President Trump’s intentions. The President has been crystal clear: no quid pro quo’s of any kind.” That says it ALL!
What a massive shitshow for Trump :biggrin: