Why else would you fire a honest and forthright leader who followed the law and put national security first?Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
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Why else would you fire a honest and forthright leader who followed the law and put national security first?Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
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There have been many incidents referred to as the "night of the long knives" - many of them not actually involving literal knives and some of them actually predating the Nazi purge. So please unclutch your pearls.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
I suppose if you ate a dishonest and corrupt leader who puts personal wealth, status and vanity before ‘national security’ anything is possible?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
It's not pearl clutching. It's pointing out it's a stupid analogy and offensive to the victims of fascism to label any such conflict (in this case firing a senior advisor) as remotely comparable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
It's beyond ridiculous and makes any sensible discussion of what is quite a statement and newsworthy sacking totally impossible.
You know where to begin...stop gaslighting!Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Okay, breath.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Firing members of a national security team is not the same as murdering hundreds of political rivals in cold whilst simultaneously closing down the judiciary and banning rival parties, putting gays, social democrats, conservatives and priests in prison and drawing up plans to wipe the Jewish race off the map of Europe. Context matters.
Look, Biden did similar in 2001.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...council-478156
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/0...-boards-510526
Few things annoy me more than totally inappropriate comparisons to the Nazis and world war two. Whether it's people on the right thinking Boris is some kind of Churchill figure during lockdown or people on the left thinking nearly everything they don't like is some mystical reimagining of 1930s Germany.
I honestly think it's unbelievable disrespectful of victims.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_..._Knives_(1962)Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Except I don't think people were seriously comparing Harold Macmillan's Govt to the Nazis were they? Same as one can refer to "being in the trenches" or "like the charge of the light brigade". If it's in the context of constant references to the Nazis / WW1 or whatever then it's quite differentQuote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
As the article says, the name was used mockingly so if people are not seriously comparing the current US administration to them then that's fine too! If they are, it's ridiculous!
Perhaps people were just comparing the sacking of advisors to that well known event in 1962 in the UK govt after all?
The 'victims of fascism' in 1934 were fascists!Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
But is the 'stupid analogy' with Ernst Rohm or with Selwyn Lloyd?
As Rjk has helpfully pointed out to you the phrase 'night of the long knives' has a long and varied history and is not just about the murder of brownshirt thugs, but of any major purge within a single party or administration.
My problem with the phrase is that it is not a 'night' - the Trump purge (which is of a totally different scale from previous Presidents) has been rolling for months and shows little sign of slowing down. As long as there are government employees who are not yes men or women, who are not sycophants, who have a sentimental attachment to the law and constitution, the season of the long knives will continue.
It's not about what does or doesn't annoy you. You and your weird beliefs are irrelevantQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/p...ing-reshuffles
'Nights of the long knives: Eight staggering reshuffles....'
IT'S SOMETHING ELSE!Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Stocks tumble into bear territory
14:54
Breaking
The inital falls across the three main US indexes has already deepened. The Nasdaq is now down 3.3%, the S&P 500 is 3.1% lower and the Dow Jones is off 2.7%.
Are we in "crash" territory yet? By one measure, the Nasdaq is in what traders traditionally call "bear" territory which means that it is trading 20% lower than its most recent peak.
That index, which tracks lots of technology companies, it is now trading 20% below a high it reached in December.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvg52gjwg91t
Which ones were they then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
They said they were going to rebalance the economy towards the workers and US based production, hence the stock market takes a hit, or have I got my rocket science all wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Yes, they say a lot of things don’t they - in the case of the main man, what he says is, very occasionally, the truth!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Apologies, it must have been somebody else's boots that were on the ground then.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
The beginning of the end for the globalists? How does it work without America?Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Indeed! Although the days trading has only just begun of course..will quite possibly get lowerQuote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
It's as much to do with me finding your Nazi references ignorant as it is to do with you mistaking a fairly common occurrence with some historically significant horrific event 👍Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Phew!Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
There was me thinking people on here were hysterically comparing a fairly common event related to the US president with the Nazi era. That would never happen, but thanks for clarifying!
It's more to do with your silly obsession methinks and your refusal to condemn facsismQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
They’re not though. Keep up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Id like to say that's the silliest thing you've said all day, but it's only the silliest thing you've said in the last half hour!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
Of course, when people compare any old event that may be controversial, distasteful or against their wishes to Nazi Germany, you do not highlight fascism you merely trivialize it. Fascism is one of the most horrific ideologies in history (there's your condemnation) and the Nazi's were the most evil regime in human history. Me objecting to the casual use of them as references to modern day America (particularly the firing of a civil servant) is perfectly reasonable and prevents the word being entirely devalued. There are far better words and references to use!
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Originally Posted by JamesWales
If you say it's silly then I know it's certainly not. It means you're shitting your pantsQuote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Id like to say that's the silliest thing you've said in the last half hour, but it's just the silliest thing you've said in the last five minutes! 😘Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
If a country lowers their own tariffs they will get a lower tariff in return.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canton Kev
Some of the more interesting things I've seen on these new tariffs are trying to figure out how they've been worked out - it seems a little bit haphazard.
they've calculated the trade deficit with each country or region, divided by the total amount of imports and divided by 2 to get the new tarrifs.
With a minimum figure of 10%.
Only based on goods - not services.
Nothing to do with what the tarrifs are applied on the US by those other countries, just purely based on trade deficit. So not entirely sure how they are supposed to be reciprocal.
no they wontQuote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Trump himself said the tariffs could be zero.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Yeah they had a formula on Newsnight late night but no one could make too much sense of it. It's like tariffs + trade deficit - lines on the US flag + the RAL colour of Donald's face.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
I do think within a few months though the US may well have better terms of trade than they did at the beginning of this week and the ongoing uncertainty will lead to some on-shoring of jobs to US factories
Why listen to filtered and likely biased news when you can get it directly from the horses mouth? The liberal media hate Trump and they would take great pleasure in helping to bring about his downfall.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Still on the fence I see. Wonder why there’s no tariffs for Russia?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Same applies to the right wing media, they are all full of it. In 2025 you shouldn't need any news organisation to tell you what is going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Of course it is important to listen to the serial liar, with little grasp of details, who changes his mind depending on who last had an audience to flatter him, and whose mental faculties are rapidly following what we now know as ‘the Biden Curve’.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Maybe a horse would be a more reliable source of information?
If you had said we should listen to the ideologues behind the policy - like Stephen Miller or Peter Navarro - then I would agree.
There is surely a plan behind the Tariff Wars. For Trump it is a headline, a way of getting world leaders to fawn over him, and a short term bonanza to fund tax cuts for his rich mates. Although he talks about recreating the US manufacturing sector of the 1950s I doubt that is really the endgame. Can’t happen anyway.
The brains behind the throne have a political vision to be achieved by economic disruption. I would be amazed if Trump understands or cares about where it is going. It is about a different group of actors in control of the neo liberal circus - not an end to it.
Why do people need journalistic spin when they can listen to the actual press conferences?Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k734odzjwW8
Trump, like you, has no understanding of basic macroeconomics. He doesn't understand the importance of including services in measuring trade deficits and the idea of the balance of payments would probably blow his (and your) mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Basic facts may stymie your sycophantic ravings. Like, tariffs on US goods were running in low single digits in most cases. So, Trump imposed 20% tariffs on countries that had 2% tariffs on US goods. That isn't reciprocal. What's his "phenomenal" deal going to be? He'll cut his tariff to 10% if the other country cuts theirs to 1%?
The "formula" for the tariffs was clearly made up by Musk's kid with his crayons on his visit to the Oval Office. (Actually, the BBC has clearly defined the lunatic method.)
You just can't stop lauding Trump. You're his useful idiot on here.
You think the journos are the culprits? Trump does more spinning than Dead or Alive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Sycophantic rantings 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.Quote:
Originally Posted by az city
Yes I wrote about what they put on newsnight in the hope that Trump would see it on this message board and it would benefit me.