-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
Thanks Loramski. Interesting to see Smithies, Richards and Ward playing. I had virtually forgotten about Ward and I think he would have been tried up front by now if he could have stayed fit. Richards would also have been an option at right back but he's likely to be on his way. As for Smithies, I'd like to know what's happened there because he seems to have become third choice behind Murphy.
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Cyncoed Slumdog
Thanks Loramski. Interesting to see Smithies, Richards and Ward playing. I had virtually forgotten about Ward and I think he would have been tried up front by now if he could have stayed fit. Richards would also have been an option at right back but he's likely to be on his way. As for Smithies, I'd like to know what's happened there because he seems to have become third choice behind Murphy.
He's been troubled by an injury for the last few months Clive and Neil Warnock was saying that he's only just become available again - I think it's likely that he will be back as second choice to Etheridge soon.
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
Congratulations to our Under 18 side who have become Champions of Professional Development League Two South. Ipswich were away to Crystal Palace this afternoon knowing that a win would make them league winners, but, leading 1-0, they were denied by a late home equaliser and so there will be at least one more home match for our Academy team who will play the runners up of the Northern Section (it will be Sheffield Wednesday or Leeds - Wednesday need to avoid defeat in a derby game against United on Saturday to win the title) in a one off Semi Final.
http://youthhawk.co.uk/w/index.php/2...er-18_League_2
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
Video highlights are up for both the under-18s and the under-23s wins against Burnley & Bolton respectively. You have to scroll down a bit to find them, the first team must have had a game this week as they seem to be taking up a bit of space.
https://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/card...video-archive/
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
If you aren't going to Fulham and fancy watching some live football on Saturday, why not go along to Cardiff City Stadium for the Academy teams Play Off Semi Final against Leeds - kick off is at 11 o clock.
http://www.dai-sport.com/young-blueb...s-united-home/
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
Just a reminder that the Under 18s' Play Off Semi Final against Leeds takes place this morning at Cardiff City Stadium with an 11 o clock kick off - admission is free.
https://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news...-on-27-apr-19/
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
Quote:
Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Excellent 2-1 win for us with goals from Patten and Griffiths. An even game on the whole but we were 2-0 up at half time and had just started to take a grip on the second half when TOBW decided to say that we were going to score another soon which immediately changed the shape of the game. Leeds got it back to 2-1 and were making it difficult for us but we managed to take control again and saw out the final 10 minutes by keeping possession impressively. A good team performance overall, my eldest picked Ben Margetson as man of the match and I'm happy to go along with that.
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
Our under-18s will be playing Sheffield Wednesday in the league play-off final at Hillsborough on Friday, 7.00 kick off.
https://www.swfc.co.uk/news/2019/apr...-hillsborough/
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
How many goals has Griffiths got this season?
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
Quote:
Originally Posted by
jamieccfc
How many goals has Griffiths got this season?
28 I believe.
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
Quote:
Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
28 I believe.
Fair play that seems like a great amount, do you think he could make the step up Paul? Maybe a short loan to a league 1/2 side
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
Quote:
Originally Posted by
jamieccfc
Fair play that seems like a great amount, do you think he could make the step up Paul? Maybe a short loan to a league 1/2 side
Good shout. Griffiths doesn't strike me as a Warnock type centre forward but he's very combative and I wouldn't think he'd be fazed by a first team spell in the lower leagues, even at his age. There's a bit more to him than just being a fox-in-the box but he's obviously going to be more effective in a team that creates chances, probably best he stays away from our first team for a bit.
As for his future here, a lot will depend on the direction the club moves in at the end of the season. That goes for other youngsters too, of course. I think there's a fair bit of talent here but there have been so many injury problems at youth level, coupled with the stark contrast between the youngsters' style of play and the first team's, that it's hard to actually pick one out and say he could play first team football for us next season as it stands. However, if the club does want to change things and the lads have a good pre-season then there could be a much more positive outlook for the youngsters here.
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
My only point of reference was the club's own twitter feed but it seemed like we did well to get back into the game at 0-2, but conceding right after we got one back did for us and the 2 late red cards didn't help. Still, seems like a valiant effort all through the season and one where they had to overcome their head coach having to disappear for a while so Robert Mueller, I presume, could look into his conduct. Maybe those who took over are Bellamy's equal (or superior) but I wonder if he'd have made a difference.
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Bluebirdman Of Alcathays
My only point of reference was the club's own twitter feed but it seemed like we did well to get back into the game at 0-2, but conceding right after we got one back did for us and the 2 late red cards didn't help. Still, seems like a valiant effort all through the season and one where they had to overcome their head coach having to disappear for a while so Robert Mueller, I presume, could look into his conduct. Maybe those who took over are Bellamy's equal (or superior) but I wonder if he'd have made a difference.
Based on what I saw when Sheffield Wednesday played us down here in March, I'm not surprised by the result last night - in fact, full credit to our lads for running them so close despite being down to nine at the end.
On that subject, until recently you could easily count on the fingers of one hand the number of red cards you would see if you watched a season of Academy football - in fact, it was probably more likely that you wouldn't see any at all, but now they are commonplace (I think I'm right in saying that it's the second time Dan Griffiths has been sent off this season). Nothing I have seen leads me to think that the game at this level is dirtier than when we had the likes of Ledley, Jerome, Blake, Gunter, Matthews, etc. in our side, so I can only assume that referees are stricter than they were. It wouldn't be fair for me to be critical of last night's ref when I've not seen anything of the match, but, looking at the Twitter reporting of it, there seems to have been an awful lot of bookings in the game so I hope the ref wasn't one of those who thinks everyone has turned up to watch him (e.g. Clive Thomas back in the seventies).
With Bellamy, if you just look at results when he was there and when he was on his "sabbatical", I'm pretty sure you'd find that they were a fair bit better earlier in the season when Bellamy was there.
Any review of our season at Under 18 level would have to include some reference to the amount of pretty long term injuries we had to important players, but I believe their impact was much the same in the time Bellamy was there and the period when he wasn't because there were members of the squad missing for weeks or months virtually from August to May.
In last month or two, I've formed the opinion that there is a good chance that there will not be a Mueller Report style announcement of the findings of the club enquiry into the Bellamy allegations - I feel that, especially if the verdict is unfavourable towards Bellamy and the club, that it will be more like what we saw at Newcastle with Peter Beardsley.
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
Quote:
Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Based on what I saw when Sheffield Wednesday played us down here in March, I'm not surprised by the result last night - in fact, full credit to our lads for running them so close despite being down to nine at the end.
On that subject, until recently you could easily count on the fingers of one hand the number of red cards you would see if you watched a season of Academy football - in fact, it was probably more likely that you wouldn't see any at all, but now they are commonplace (I think I'm right in saying that it's the second time Dan Griffiths has been sent off this season). Nothing I have seen leads me to think that the game at this level is dirtier than when we had the likes of Ledley, Jerome, Blake, Gunter, Matthews, etc. in our side, so I can only assume that referees are stricter than they were. It wouldn't be fair for me to be critical of last night's ref when I've not seen anything of the match, but, looking at the Twitter reporting of it, there seems to have been an awful lot of bookings in the game so I hope the ref wasn't one of those who thinks everyone has turned up to watch him (e.g. Clive Thomas back in the seventies).
...
I've been surprised how competitive the Academy games have been this season, there's been a real edge to them. Has that always been the case or do you think that's been a part of Bellamy's philosophy? I know you said its not dirtier than in the past but I wouldn't necessarily say the games have been dirty, just really hard fought. Maybe the refs are cracking down more at youth level, there have been a few reds in DVP games too, but I've been more than happy to see a number of full-blooded matches this season and I'd say that the bookings have come out of a hunger to win rather than over-zealous officials.
Interested to see Griffiths getting a red last night. When I replied to Jamie's post about him at the top of the page, I was going to mention that one problem with him going on loan to a lower league club might be that experienced defenders will pick up on his super-competitive attitude and try to wind him up into getting cards. I didn't because he seemed to have got that under control lately, I may have to rethink that after last night although I've no idea what happened. Good player though, if he can channel his aggression in the right way he's got every chance of making it.
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cyk0h8UPgZQ
All the U23 goals from the season. Nice to see we didn't concede any.
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
A late season tournament win for City's Under 15s in Poland - well done to all involved.
https://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news...m-cup-winners/
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
James Waite's second goal against Kortrijk here (sorry if it's already been posted). Talented lad.
https://twitter.com/CardiffCityFC/st...90047764295682
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Loramski
What a fabulous goal - he really should have played at a higher level than Hereford by now,
Highlights of the game are now on the club website for subscribers.
Also there are highlights of the Under 18s' win at Southampton which it seems finished 4-0 and not 5-0 as earlier reported. These show a Southampton player getting sent off by a female referee for a fearful hack at one of our players and the end of what the voiceover says was a fifty one pass move by City - Neil Warnock would've been pulling his hair out if he had been watching!
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
Mark Harris scored for Wrexham tonight in a 2-2 draw.
Our u-23s won 4-1 at Penybont, goals for Waite, Moore, Mayembe and Williams.
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
I see Terry Phillips is sure that match with Southampton did finish 5-0, not 4-0, and names the scorers of each of the goals :shrug:.
http://www.dai-sport.com/46982-2/
Still no fixture lists for the Development and Under 18 sides on the club website - the Academy league season usually starts on the same weekend as the Premier League.
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
Quote:
Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
I see Terry Phillips is sure that match with Southampton did finish 5-0, not 4-0, and names the scorers of each of the goals :shrug:.
http://www.dai-sport.com/46982-2/
Still no fixture lists for the Development and Under 18 sides on the club website - the Academy league season usually starts on the same weekend as the Premier League.
I think the 18s are away at Hull on Saturday then they are home versus Crewe on the 17th.
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
A friend of mine played for Haverfordwest against the U23s the other day and said Waite was on another level to everyone else on the pitch. He scored twice and they couldn't get near him until he was moved upfront and got drowned out by the centre backs.
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
Quote:
Originally Posted by
thehumblegringo
I think the 18s are away at Hull on Saturday then they are home versus Crewe on the 17th.
Thanks Gringo, Saturday does not sound like it's going to be a day for watching football out in the open, so I'm pleased to see that.
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
Quote:
Originally Posted by
CCFC99
A friend of mine played for Haverfordwest against the U23s the other day and said Waite was on another level to everyone else on the pitch. He scored twice and they couldn't get near him until he was moved upfront and got drowned out by the centre backs.
He's a terrific talent but vertically challenged and needs to be playing in a possession based set-up, two factors which might hamper his progress here in the short term. In case you missed his recent goal against Kortrijk that I posted on Monday, here it is again
https://twitter.com/CardiffCityFC/st...90047764295682
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
City's under 18s begin the defence of the title they won last season with a few new names in the team at Hull today - it's 0-0 at half time.
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
Quote:
Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
City's under 18s begin the defence of the title they won last season with a few new names in the team at Hull today - it's 0-0 at half time.
Finished 0-0.
The Under 23s are at home to Sheffield United today at Leckwith, kick off 1 o clock.
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
My take on this afternoon's 3-1 defeat for the Under 23s against Sheffield United.
http://mauveandyellowarmy.net/
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
Quote:
Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Thanks for that. I'm baffled though, if Warnock is going in 9 months time then why are we teaching our youngsters to play anti-football now? We haven't got the right kind of players to be doing it at that level anyway. If we've turned Coxe into Peltier, Waite into Paterson or Bodenham into Flint before the end of the season then I'll eat my words but I'm pretty confident it won't happen.
One other slight worry is that having had so many injury problems at that level last season there are already a few absentees this. Bolger, Griffiths, Humphries & Martin all missing lately, although Martin may be serving a club ban for persistent overlapping in pre-season.
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Loramski
Thanks for that. I'm baffled though, if Warnock is going in 9 months time then why are we teaching our youngsters to play anti-football now? We haven't got the right kind of players to be doing it at that level anyway. If we've turned Coxe into Peltier, Waite into Paterson or Bodenham into Flint before the end of the season then I'll eat my words but I'm pretty confident it won't happen.
One other slight worry is that having had so many injury problems at that level last season there are already a few absentees this. Bolger, Griffiths, Humphries & Martin all missing lately, although Martin may be serving a club ban for persistent overlapping in pre-season.
As I mentioned, the way we played suited Moore who did well in what I'm pretty sure was my first look at him, but Waite was anonymous, Spence missed a couple of decent chances and was not seen much otherwise, Coxe didn't get forward as much as usual and although Patten did some good defensive work in preventing a four on two for Sheffield from producing a goal, he was pretty subdued overall - we certainly weren't playing to their strengths.
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
Quote:
Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
As I mentioned, the way we played suited Moore who did well in what I'm pretty sure was my first look at him, but Waite was anonymous, Spence missed a couple of decent chances and was not seen much otherwise, Coxe didn't get forward as much as usual and although Patten did some good defensive work in preventing a four on two for Sheffield from producing a goal, he was pretty subdued overall - we certainly weren't playing to their strengths.
What's confusing me is that we seemed to be doing away with all that by the end of last season. I saw a couple of games where we shifted to a back 3/5 with the full backs bombing on to give width, it seems a logical system as that's similar to how the Academy play and with the personnel available (Mayembe excluded maybe) there's not much point in trying to replicate the first team's set up. Here was my upbeat summary of the last game against Bolton.
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.php...=1#post4966208
Maybe there was an expectation that Warnock wouldn't be around this season but even in the knowledge that he is the under-23s seemed to be playing some good football pre-season. It was all Tomlin initially, then all Waite. I guess some of the opposition wasn't that great but, even so, I would've thought it hard for those two to be running games if the ball was continually being kicked down the channels. Hard to understand what's going on.
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
I see Mark Harris scored again for Wrexham, his third in three games!
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Loramski
What's confusing me is that we seemed to be doing away with all that by the end of last season. I saw a couple of games where we shifted to a back 3/5 with the full backs bombing on to give width, it seems a logical system as that's similar to how the Academy play and with the personnel available (Mayembe excluded maybe) there's not much point in trying to replicate the first team's set up. Here was my upbeat summary of the last game against Bolton.
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.php...=1#post4966208
Maybe there was an expectation that Warnock wouldn't be around this season but even in the knowledge that he is the under-23s seemed to be playing some good football pre-season. It was all Tomlin initially, then all Waite. I guess some of the opposition wasn't that great but, even so, I would've thought it hard for those two to be running games if the ball was continually being kicked down the channels. Hard to understand what's going on.
Leggy seems to be more high profile this season (in fact, I'm not sure if Jarred Harvey is still there) and so I wonder if the two things are related? To be fair, I wouldn't say City were playing a lot of high balls to a target man on Monday, it was more long balls knocked into the channels and their goal did come from one of those long throws. However,having have had a moan about the small number of footballers in the first team on transfer deadline day, the Under 23s approach didn't seem suited to the footballers in their side (and there were four or five of them).
I suppose that having maintained that it is easier to get technical footballers to play the sort of attritional, percentage game favoured by our manager than it is to get players who have been developed to play the Warnock way to switch to a technical, possession based approach, I suppose the next few months will see me proved right or wrong in that opinion.
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
Anyone thinking of going to today's Academy game with Crewe at Leckwith should note that it kicks off at the later than normal time of 1 o clock.
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
Bizarre events at Leckwith today as the Under 18s drew 2-2 with Crewe. With City 2-0 ahead well into the last ten minutes of the game, I did what I usually do when watching matches at the Athletics Stadium - that is, leave my seat and watch the rest of the game through the perimeter fence as I'm walking towards my car. For those who have not been in the stand at the stadium, you leave it by walking through the reception area so there are a few seconds during my walk when I cannot see the pitch. Today, those few seconds were extended a little by me looking at the television in the reception area to see what the score was in the Wales rugby game, but I couldn't have missed more than half a minute at the most.
When I could see the pitch again, I was surprised and disappointed to see City taking the ball to the corner flag to waste time when they were 2-0 up, but when, as I thought, Crewe got a goal back with a far post volley, the way all of the players and subs rushed to greet the scorer had me thinking "that's an equalising goal, they must have scored and the game restarted while I was in the reception area for those few seconds".
This was confirmed when I got home and saw the score on Twitter. If the first team had thrown away a 2-0 lead so deep into the game like that, I think there would have been a managerial rant to more than match the famous one in that You Tube video, but I would have thought things are more low key at this level - although the team should, in my opinion, be left in doubt as to how careless they had been in finding a way not to win from such a position.
In my blog piece on the Under 23s' loss to Sheffield United last Monday, I mentioned that they seemed to play in a way more in keeping with our first team than the one they normally employ which is akin to the playing out from the back style associated with City's youth sides. I wondered to myself if we may see something similar from the under 18s, but within a minute or so I knew the answer to my question - no! Within another minute, keeper Cogman had taken the first of several goal kicks to a colleague stood within the penalty area and there was no end of that passing within your own half that Neil Warnock does not want to see from the first team.
City played some really nice stuff at times with quick passing through the middle of the park, while there were moments of great individual skill from the likes of Rubin Colwell, Keiron Evans and Ryan Kavanagh, but Crewe stuck doggedly to their task with their goalkeeper making important saves when required and City soon became frustrated to the extent that for long periods in the second half it looked like both teams would have to settle for a record of two games, two goalless draws from their first couple of fixtures.
In saying that, the visitors did force Cogman into a couple of good saves, but going into the final quarter of an hour, it was hard to see where one goal, let alone four, would come from. As it was, the deadlock was broken when one of City's subs scored on the far post from a good cross by left back Sam Parsons and within two minutes Colwell had initiated a break which was carried on by Isaak Davies to free Ntazana Mayembe and the speed merchant, who was now playing down the middle after swapping positions with Davies, took the ball on to impressively beat the keeper and make it 2-0.
Davies, not as effective as usual, and Mayembe missed further chances as Crewe pushed forward, but they didn't seem important because I was still thinking City were home and hosed when, in truth, that mystery goal scored while I was in the reception area had put a completely different complexion on things!
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
Two 3-1 defeats from two matches for the Under 23s who went down by that score at Barnsley this lunchtime. All of the scoring came in the first half after Shamar Moore had given City the lead with a first minute penalty.
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
As mentioned elsewhere on the board, Sion Spence has joined Barry on loan, while Ryan Reynolds has completed a temporary transfer to Pen y Bont. Reynolds was playing for the Under 18s (still winless after a 2-2 draw with Wigan at Leckwith on Satutrday) while Spence is probably best out of the Under 23s based on their results this season - Friday's 4-1 defeat at Forest means it's three games and three defeats with ten goals conceded this season, with the three goals they've scored coming from a penalty and two set pieces as they've resorted to both full backs hurling in long throw ins from either side of the pitch.
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
Quote:
Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
As mentioned elsewhere on the board, Sion Spence has joined Barry on loan, while Ryan Reynolds has completed a temporary transfer to Pen y Bont. Reynolds was playing for the Under 18s (still winless after a 2-2 draw with Wigan at Leckwith on Satutrday) while Spence is probably best out of the Under 23s based on their results this season - Friday's 4-1 defeat at Forest means it's three games and three defeats with ten goals conceded this season, with the three goals they've scored coming from a penalty and two set pieces as they've resorted to both full backs hurling in long throw ins from either side of the pitch.
Still no fixture list for the 23s on club website. I keep getting a splash about the club TV packages. 18s list is up though.
-
Re: The Bluebirds Academy and DVP thread...
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Jeff Mansfield
Still no fixture list for the 23s on club website. I keep getting a splash about the club TV packages. 18s list is up though.
Thanks Jeff, at least that's something. This site is very good for coverage of under 18 and under 23 football and has a fixture list for our development side, but I'm not sure about our next scheduled match (Bolton H) going ahead under current circumstances.
http://youthhawk.co.uk/w/index.php/C...City_Under-23s