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There is no excusing that behaviour, his out and out racism has nothing to do with the allies winning the war, we might even had won more handily if that South African General had taken over if Churchill had become incapacitated or died.Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
This is just copied from an article on him so I’m not sure how true it all is (but they have referenced) but was this really of it’s time?Quote:
Despite his achievements, there is evidence to suggest Mr Churchill was a white supremacist.
He referred to British imperialism as being for the good of the “primitive” and “subject races”.
In 1937 he said: “I do not admit, for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America, or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to those people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, or, at any rate, a more worldly wise race, to put it that way, has come in and taken their place
Mr Churchill once said: “I hate Indians…they are beastly people with a beastly religion.”
He also referred to Palestinians as “barbaric hordes who ate little but camel dung”.
A known supporter of eugenics, he approved of the separation of “feeble-minded” people, alongside being intrigued by the idea of sterilisation, to halt the breeding of “unfit” people posing “a very terrible danger to the race”.
Mr Churchill was also allegedly so confident Britain would be victorious over Nazi Germany due to his belief in the superiority of the British “race”, over the Prussians, a formerly “barbarous tribe”.
When considering the restive populations in northwest Asia, he infamously lamented the “squeamishness” of his colleagues, who were not in “favor of using poisoned gas against uncivilized tribes.”
Then, as a junior member of parliament, Mr Churchill supported Britain’s plan for additional conquests, stressing that “Aryan stock is bound to triumph”.
However, his attitude to the Bengal famine of 1943-44 is the most well-known source of contention, with Mr Churchill accused of murdering over 3 million Indians. Historians have reached a consensus that his actions significantly contributed to the Bengal famine of 1943.
When concerned British officials wrote to Mr Churchill and said he was causing a needless loss of life, he responded “Why hasn’t Gandhi died yet?” and then went on to say the famine was caused by Indians for “breeding like rabbits”.
It's truly shocking even for his time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
I think a lot of white people who are generally , but not always , unaffected by racist abuse think that society has moved onQuote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman
But in 2009 , the race equality council did an extensive survey of race hate incidents in cardiff
The findings were not what some people like to think is the truth and more worrying is the figure that 71 percent of those affected by racist abuse in the city had not reported the matter to the police , the council , housing association,etc
You arguement depends on your perspective and where you are coming fromQuote:
Originally Posted by J R Hartley
I thought you were chinese but you are in fact white . Unless your partner is black then your kids are unlikely to experience racism so of course you are happy bringing them up in todays society
They wouldnt be affected by abuse due to their skin colour
And they wouldnt have been affected by racial abuse if they were born in the seventies either
Racism today is thought to be more subtle
But it still exists
Loads of racists sitting under their rocks waiting for their cause to come along and they found it when the dunces amongst the BLM group decided to scrawl nonsense on memorials and statues. A town near me had a BLM march/protest and an even bigger group of 'lads' out on a jolly turned up to oppose, to prove that racism doesn't exist anymore a number of them made monkey noises and one even decided to go full cliche and do a nazi salute.
Having said that, my opinion hasn't changed, people shouldn't be protesting right now, it is irresponsible and not necessary.
do you have a link to that survey?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
tommy's encouraging his followers to show up to protests this saturday, i seriously hope they don't bother because they are giving more reasons for these protests to continueQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
I downloaded it after a search on googleQuote:
Originally Posted by Llandaff Blue
Race Hate Crime In Cardiff 2009 , Race Equality First
I think it's necessary but understand peoples concernsQuote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
I think the dumping in the dock of the statue in bristol was long overdue but agree that defacing churchill's statue was playing into the hands of the lump heads . But the scrawling on the churchill statue was historically correct , he was a racist
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9556526.html
'No offence, but you’re a black man’: Police to examine video of white officer stopping black driver because there were ‘drug dealers’ in area
F**king hell.
The police chief in cambridge said we are working together with the communityQuote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
So nothing to see
It's all in the past
All is well , remain calm
you just want to put right all the wrongs in your head.Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
i think we should smash all the grave stones in all the British War cemetries all over the world and plough the land up. then go to all the countries we colonised and destroy all the things we put there that so apparently ruined them, like railways and roads and water systems, let them go back to how they would be if we had never interfered with them, then go and apologise to the germans for winning the war, burn HMS Victory because Nelson made war in the nile, decommission the royal navy because it is an instrument of capitalist oppression, then pass a law that says any one who is white british must by definition be wrong in any argument.
how's that trampie. Have I left anything out? Oh yes apologise to the frogs chinks wops polaks greeks arabs burmese and all the other people we gave so many lives to liberate in WW2 because we referred to them by these now derogatory terms whilst saving them. Let me know what else needs doing when we've finished that lot.
You have a very loose grasp of history .
But I'm happy with it. And i certainly don't spend my days thinking that everything the British nation ever did was bad, like some people who spend their lives trying to find reason to slag off the place where they were born.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
People are disappearing off the streets in America in unmarked vehicles.
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Don't blame the lions xsnaggle blame the donkeys that led the lions.
I don't think people are doing it to "slag off" the place they were born but isn't it better to understand that history isn't a binary good guys and bad guys. The interesting parts of history are the like this, not the simple version we learned about in school. Most powerful countries have committed atrocities, why ignore them unless you want to think your country is a "good guy".Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Easy to say but if all the anti British hype is to be believed they should have refused to do what they were ordered.Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
You can't say they were only obeying orders, the Germans tried that and look how much good that did them.
What really pisses me off is that all this anti British talk is coming from British people who have the fortune to live in this country. If we are such a bad role model and have been so horrible to so many countries why are all these people flocking to come her,e sometimes literally walking through 4 or 5 countries that are perfectly safe just to get to UK. They obviously didn't have the same history lessons as some people born in the last 20 or 30 years or so.
Anti British hype :hehe:
Sadly most of it is. And a lot of it comes from students and recently ex-students who have been taught this by lefty winf teachers and tutors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
I thought teachers were supposed to be politically neutral in the class room but I know a teacher who works in a private school in Newport and she is proud of the fact that she teaches all her pupils to think that the labour party is the only party in the world and that if their parents vote conservative they are scum. oNt only is she proud of it but she brags that all her colleagues and fellow professionals that she knows think and act the same way. That cannot be right in any way!
So people should only be taught positive history about their country then?
The reason why a lot of people try desperately to come to this country is because there are established communities of people like them because of our colonial past as post war immigrationQuote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
People tend to gravitate to familiar places
For example people fleeing the civil war in Somalia in the 1990s came to the uk and settled in areas of cities with large somali populations , cardiff for example
When brits emigrate abroad they head towards areas of spain that have a lot of ex Pats that serve British fry ups for breakfast and other british traditional dishes
Like chicken tikka masala
What cannot be right it thisQuote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
This country has an imperialist, colonialist past
We were never , ever taught about slavery in school or our involvement in africa and the indian sub continent
It was all bollocks about henry 8th and his wives
well I was. so we have an Imperialist colonial past. so what? Why should we be put in a position where people make us feel guilty of things that happened before we were born.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Yeah same for me too. The most interesting aspects of history are the more nuanced parts of it, it's stupid we are taught that everything Britain has ever done is great and nothing we've done is bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Why does it make you feel so uncomfortable?Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
What makes you think it makes me feel uncomfortable. I'm at ease with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
I suppose using that phrase is so you can keep using it and eventually hope that people will see it as the truth. Same as usual.
You said they try and make you feel guiltyQuote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Not me personally. doh! Don't take everything literally or people will have to start saying 'one thinks' or 'one doesn't'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
So why don’t you want to hear it then? It’s interesting isn’t it?
What the feck are you on about. don't pretend to be the amateur psychologist, you're wasting your time. Its rubbish spouted by people who live in a cossetted existence and are taught by people who should be unbiased that everything about British history is wrong. If they lived in another place they may begin to realise how lucky they are and wind their necks in!Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
I don't think learning accurate history about your country means you hate your country.
I never said it did. the problem is what they are learning is not accurate. they are being taught be people who do, or who have a one eyed vision of it and can only see the bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Croesy Blue
What are they being taught that isn't acurate?Quote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Because colonialism is celebrated by many people and it’s legacy affects modern societyQuote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
Can’t talk for all countries but maybe some people migrate from some countries to Britain as Britain is rich. Rich by stealing the wealth of other countries. And the developing world therefore wouldn’t be able to offer the same life as BritainQuote:
Originally Posted by xsnaggle
It is that now , I think the Windrush era saw a need for both sides one for the good people of the commonwealth and West Indies who wanted to better themselves in terms of earnings , and of course the fact they were desperately needed to provide Labour needs in jobs like bus drivers that we could not fill in the larger cities , that can still be seen in public health jobs to this day , they have added a wonderful contribution to our country in my view .Quote:
Originally Posted by adz-a32
you do talk crap sometimes. you are a perfect example of what I mean, you're British but you love to slag the country off, like it makes you a better person. It doesn't it makes you two faced and a parasite.Quote:
Originally Posted by adz-a32