40 Killed In Hamas Attacks In Israel

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

I know that the whole area of that part of the Middle East has had different names and covered different areas since the earliest days of the Exodus/Canaan, then the 12 tribes classification, the kingdoms of David and Solomon, the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, and the situation in the time of Jesus. I have maps in the back of the NIV Bible I have, which I refer to.

As I understand it, the name Palestine originally derives from the name Philistia, the land of the Philistine people, who lived along the coast where the Gaza strip is today.

A good summary can be found here:
https://theconversation.com/the-hist...-claims-163156

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Thanks for the detail; in fact most people will have heard of David & Goliath, and not realise that this was the beginning of the history of Israel v Palestine. Israel today has no more than 20% of the land they were allocated, so even with Gaza, it would be way way short of it's actual title deed.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Thanks for the detail; in fact most people will have heard of David & Goliath, and not realise that this was the beginning of the history of Israel v Palestine. Israel today has no more than 20% of the land they were allocated, so even with Gaza, it would be way way short of it's actual title deed.

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‘Actual title deed’!

Chuffin’ hell. :hehe:

How many gay people have Hamas , Hezbollah and Houthis killed and persecuted recently.

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Originally Posted by Doucas

5000 people murdered I've heard including children. Disgusting.

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Shame on both thier houses then, or we naive to think nice Hamas didn't know what would happen . What Hamas did to innocent peace loving Israeli festival goes was both barbaric and deliberate, sadly Palestinians won't give Hamas up or if they did Hamas would kill them .

Hanas treat Palestinians as useful fodder, bit like Hilter and Putin have done sacrificed thier own for what??

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Well if you only refer to other people's opinion on it then you'll not even get the details right, it was completed in 6 days.
Modern science (now unfortunately a mix of verified and speculative claims) now agrees that all women orginate in the following fashion:-

Did all humans descend from one woman?
Mitochondrial Eve - Wikipedia
In human genetics, the Mitochondrial Eve (more technically known as the Mitochondrial-Most Recent Common Ancestor, shortened to mt-Eve or mt-MRCA) is the matrilineal most recent common ancestor (MRCA) of all living humans.

One man would also be involved in such a process. Now tell me how that is a million miles from Genesis chapter 1?

Cultures all over the world have an account of one family surviving a catastrophic flood; so without the aid of social media, e-mail, cnn, sky news or national geo, how did they all end up with the same unusual story?

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Of course all primitive societies had their creation myths. But many Eves and many Adams producing the first generation of recognisable humans over 2 million years ago - with no apples and no talking snakes - is certainly a million miles from Genesis.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Of course all primitive societies had their creation myths. But many Eves and many Adams producing the first generation of recognisable humans over 2 million years ago - with no apples and no talking snakes - is certainly a million miles from Genesis.

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jon, you need to be educated by a talking snake. Or a talking donkey.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Of course all primitive societies had their creation myths. But many Eves and many Adams producing the first generation of recognisable humans over 2 million years ago - with no apples and no talking snakes - is certainly a million miles from Genesis.

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I see you avoided addressing the identical flood 'myth' found in remote parts of the world which were thousands of miles apart and a feature of each of these so called 'primitive societies' (??)

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

I see you avoided addressing the identical flood 'myth' found in remote parts of the world which were thousands of miles apart and a feature of each of these so called 'primitive societies' (??)

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No more than you avoided addressing how every species of animal managed to coexist on a big boat without eating each other let alone Noah being eaten himself. And how did all the herbivores manage?

There’s plenty of evidence that a big flood happened. I don’t think anyone’s denying that but not to the levels described in the bible and the story of Noah’s ark.

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Originally Posted by stevo

No more than you avoided addressing how every species of animal managed to coexist on a big boat without eating each other let alone Noah being eaten himself. And how did all the herbivores manage?

There’s plenty of evidence that a big flood happened. I don’t think anyone’s denying that but not to the levels described in the bible and the story of Noah’s ark.

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Don't underestimate Noah. He died at the ripe old age of 950.

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Originally Posted by stevo

No more than you avoided addressing how every species of animal managed to coexist on a big boat without eating each other let alone Noah being eaten himself. And how did all the herbivores manage?

There’s plenty of evidence that a big flood happened. I don’t think anyone’s denying that but not to the levels described in the bible and the story of Noah’s ark.

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I see, Noah being eaten himself. Are all the animals in London Zoo harmless then?
That is a mystery?

European differences on Gaza getting clearer - although whole of Europe (and USA) moving away from unconditional, uncritical support for Netanyahu and all his works!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...te-on-gaza-war

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Originally Posted by jon1959

European differences on Gaza getting clearer - although whole of Europe (and USA) moving away from unconditional, uncritical support for Netanyahu and all his works!

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...te-on-gaza-war

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It's an interesting divide, and for those that are aware of the final end-game the countries due to be involved are all suitably placed within the equation.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

‘Actual title deed’!

Chuffin’ hell. :hehe:

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I place you mention but ultimately remain in denial about.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

I place you mention but ultimately remain in denial about.

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More than denial. :thumbup:


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truthpaste seems to not understand lingusitics. People use phrases that have been in currency for centuries and without necessarily buying into the origins. He probably thinks that every 'omg' typed on the internet reflects religiosity - and every reference to playing the devil's advocate being a recognition of Satan's powers.

I wonder if he uses the words Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.....

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Originally Posted by jon1959

More than denial. :thumbup:


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Explain to him Jon it's pretty much hell for the poor people of Gaza at the moment. We need not look to other dimensions.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

truthpaste seems to not understand lingusitics. People use phrases that have been in currency for centuries and without necessarily buying into the origins. He probably thinks that every 'omg' typed on the internet reflects religiosity - and every reference to playing the devil's advocate being a recognition of Satan's powers.

I wonder if he uses the words Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.....

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Only when he lies in bed dreaming of his endless horns of mead in Valhalla!

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Originally Posted by jon1959

More than denial. :thumbup:

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It could be heaven of a sorts here on earth but unfortunately us dear old humans have gone their own sweet way, so we end up with "hell on earth" for some and in the future possibly for every one of us of course.

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

It could be heaven of a sorts here on earth but unfortunately us dear old humans have gone their own sweet way, so we end up with "hell on earth" for some and in the future possibly for every one of us of course.

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Adam and Eve started all the evil malarkey. God messed up from the off. Misjudged the temptation of the tree of knowledge. Ignorance would have been bliss, obviously.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

I see, Noah being eaten himself. Are all the animals in London Zoo harmless then?
That is a mystery?

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Did they have tranquillisers in biblical times?

You’ve avoided the issue of the starving herbivores and what did the carnivores feed off if it wasn’t the other animals?

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Originally Posted by stevo

Did they have tranquillisers in biblical times?

You’ve avoided the issue of the starving herbivores and what did the carnivores feed off if it wasn’t the other animals?

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Mucking out must have been fun.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Explain to him Jon it's pretty much hell for the poor people of Gaza at the moment. We need not look to other dimensions.

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yes hell for the poor people of gaza , the rich leaders of hamas are living the high life thousands of miles away , and thats why us rich are better than you

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Originally Posted by stevo

Did they have tranquillisers in biblical times?

You’ve avoided the issue of the starving herbivores and what did the carnivores feed off if it wasn’t the other animals?

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If you are really interested and what the science on how it occured then get this BOOK.

I agree that your questions and many more require answers for both individuals who would rather it wasn't part of history along with those who know it is.
However even today we have many animals that can hibernate for months on end, so if God IS the Creator of the Universe, then preserving creatures in a vessel for a period of up to 12 months is certainly within His capabilities.
If we walk down the other road, that we and the rest of the Universe is the result of chance random processes, then we are left with problems much bigger than a sleeping herbivore, in fact they look like a hippo compared to a mustard seed.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

If you are really interested and what the science on how it occured then get this BOOK.

I agree that your questions and many more require answers for both individuals who would rather it wasn't part of history along with those who know it is.
However even today we have many animals that can hibernate for months on end, so if God IS the Creator of the Universe, then preserving creatures in a vessel for a period of up to 12 months is certainly within His capabilities.
If we walk down the other road, that we and the rest of the Universe is the result of chance random processes, then we are left with problems much bigger than a sleeping herbivore, in fact they look like a hippo compared to a mustard seed.

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What a God,saving mere animals but can not save little children all over the world from cancer.

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Originally Posted by jeepster

What a God,saving mere animals but can not save little children all over the world from cancer.

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Thanks for repeating this question, I went looking for your comment last night so I could reply but couldn't locate it.
I think you originally said (or someone else did) that God GAVE children cancer!
Either way, the question is this, why would cancer ever be part of the equation if a loving God set up life as we know it.
The answer is He didn't, He set up a very different Creation but like teenagers (who mostly by their estimation are omniscient), man felt that he knew better than God and chose an alternative pathway.
There is no perfect analogy, but let's assume you were in charge of a nuclear reactor to heat your village. You then neglect to follow the reasonable instructions given to you and you choose to leave it in a position where radiation may escape.
Your villagers start developing tumors; but instead of admitting it was your fault, you suggest that all the villagers blame the guy that built the reactor. In this illustration, God is that guy.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Thanks for repeating this question, I went looking for your comment last night so I could reply but couldn't locate it.
I think you originally said (or someone else did) that God GAVE children cancer!
Either way, the question is this, why would cancer ever be part of the equation if a loving God set up life as we know it.
The answer is He didn't, He set up a very different Creation but like teenagers (who mostly by their estimation are omniscient), man felt that he knew better than God and chose an alternative pathway.
There is no perfect analogy, but let's assume you were in charge of a nuclear reactor to heat your village. You then neglect to follow the reasonable instructions given to you and you choose to leave it in a position where radiation may escape.
Your villagers start developing tumors; but instead of admitting it was your fault, you suggest that all the villagers blame the guy that built the reactor. In this illustration, God is that guy.

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Genuine question. Why do you specifically give God a masculine identity?

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Thanks for repeating this question, I went looking for your comment last night so I could reply but couldn't locate it.
I think you originally said (or someone else did) that God GAVE children cancer!
Either way, the question is this, why would cancer ever be part of the equation if a loving God set up life as we know it.
The answer is He didn't, He set up a very different Creation but like teenagers (who mostly by their estimation are omniscient), man felt that he knew better than God and chose an alternative pathway.
There is no perfect analogy, but let's assume you were in charge of a nuclear reactor to heat your village. You then neglect to follow the reasonable instructions given to you and you choose to leave it in a position where radiation may escape.
Your villagers start developing tumors; but instead of admitting it was your fault, you suggest that all the villagers blame the guy that built the reactor. In this illustration, God is that guy.

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I did not say God gave children cancer.
But even your reply is so wrong.When a baby is born with cancer is that child to blame?
If not, why does this amazing God choose to ignore the child.

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Originally Posted by jeepster

I did not say God gave children cancer.
But even your reply is so wrong.When a baby is born with cancer is that child to blame?
If not, why does this amazing God choose to ignore the child.

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In what sense do you mean God has ignored the child?

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Originally Posted by jeepster

I did not say God gave children cancer.
But even your reply is so wrong.When a baby is born with cancer is that child to blame?
If not, why does this amazing God choose to ignore the child.

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truthpaste has proven form for twisting the words of other posters - and turns nasty and rather unchristian when it is proven in black and white. He is either deluded or dishonest. As he believes in talking snakes, he surely can't be deluded....

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

In what sense do you mean God has ignored the child?

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A cure?

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

Genuine question. Why do you specifically give God a masculine identity?

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

Genuine question. Why do you specifically give God a masculine identity?

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God being an eternal Spirit in nature God is mainly a mystery to us with our current ability of understanding.
God's Word uses Father for one of the Persons of the Godhead and Christ (the second person of the Godhead/ Trinity) walked among us as a Man. Ultimately God is not human, however He chose to become like one of us, apart from sin.
Hope that answers your question but if not I'm always happy to answer anything raise or other question you may have.

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Originally Posted by jeepster

A cure?

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Like someone who has made a decision that impacts the rest of his/ her family, man is naturally in rebellion against his creator. For an unborn or aborted child this is only a general answer not a specific one and in the light of time (the dimension of time alone) it can't fully make sense from that perspective alone. So if people don't believe in eternity then they will struggle to understand any answer to this. A disease can rob us of decades of life here on Earth, but our problem is far bigger than that, my Mum's friend is almost 105, yet she like us all will one day die, then where we she, where will I, where will you spend eternity?

God HAS produced a rescue act (or a cure which is a permanent & comprehensive solution) which can impact every individual, born or otherwise. That is explained in this short CLIP along with our ultimate problem.

Ignore it, watch it, respond to it as you will. But never say nobody cared enough to tell you.
God bless you :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Like someone who has made a decision that impacts the rest of his/ her family, man is naturally in rebellion against his creator. For an unborn or aborted child this is only a general answer not a specific one and in the light of time (the dimension of time alone) it can't fully make sense from that perspective alone. So if people don't believe in eternity then they will struggle to understand any answer to this. A disease can rob us of decades of life here on Earth, but our problem is far bigger than that, my Mum's friend is almost 105, yet she like us all will one day die, then where we she, where will I, where will you spend eternity?

God HAS produced a rescue act (or a cure which is a permanent & comprehensive solution) which can impact every individual, born or otherwise. That is explained in this short CLIP along with our ultimate problem.

Ignore it, watch it, respond to it as you will. But never say nobody cared enough to tell you.
God bless you :thumbup:

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It did nothing for me at all.
Nothing seems real in the clip.

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Originally Posted by jeepster

It did nothing for me at all.
Nothing seems real in the clip.

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Well it's a real guy with a real dog meeting two real people?
Or are you talking about the dialogue?

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Well it's a real guy with a real dog meeting two real people?
Or are you talking about the dialogue?

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Both to be honest did not seem natural.

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Originally Posted by jeepster

Both to be honest did not seem natural.

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If you've never heard of the 10 Commandments, good, bad, heaven, hell etc, then I guess it would seems surreal.

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

If you've never heard of the 10 Commandments, good, bad, heaven, hell etc, then I guess it would seems surreal.

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That is not a very christian response,i served on the alter at St Dyfrigs church Llanrumney for 2yrs.
Then the truth dawned on me it was akind of brain washing.
Making me to believe made up stories were real.
So do not tell me what i know and do not know.

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Originally Posted by jeepster

That is not a very christian response,i served on the alter at St Dyfrigs church Llanrumney for 2yrs.
Then the truth dawned on me it was akind of brain washing.
Making me to believe made up stories were real.
So do not tell me what i know and do not know.

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Well when people are vague, then it's obvious they don't wish you to know what they think.
I met the minister of that Church in 1993, anyone listening to him wouldn't have been left in any doubt, however some of the ministers we meet can leave us worse off too and not answer the key questions we all have about life, so I get that.
So why do you believe the history of the Bible is fiction? Even the BBC don't deny the historical Jesus??

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Originally Posted by truthpaste

Well when people are vague, then it's obvious they don't wish you to know what they think.
I met the minister of that Church in 1993, anyone listening to him wouldn't have been left in any doubt, however some of the ministers we meet can leave us worse off too and not answer the key questions we all have about life, so I get that.
So why do you believe the history of the Bible is fiction? Even the BBC don't deny the historical Jesus??

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Because it is my personal choice in what to realise the difference fiction and fact.

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Originally Posted by jeepster

Because it is my personal choice in what to realise the difference fiction and fact.

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However strong my (or your) opinion may be, we can't alter history. It happened or didn't happen.
However if there is evidence it did, then we are simply left with denial.
If you have evidence that Jesus, Paul, Peter, David etc were mythical or fictional then I'm more than happy to look at your evidence.