The only evidence you have is book writen by lots of people over the years.Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
Oh and a talking snake.
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The only evidence you have is book writen by lots of people over the years.Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
Oh and a talking snake.
Denial. Noted.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeepster
I'm sure many in these discussions (both silent and active) value their eternal soul and don't choose to bury their heads in the sand. Others like this GUY in the Turkish Goverment who tried to curse Israel by asking his false God to retaliate against them around 6 weeks ago - thereby speaking against the Jews and the God of the Bible - think they can deny Him and disrespect Him and His People Israel. He like millions of others, found out that Genesis 12:3 still applies today - "I will bless those who bless you and curse those who treat you with contempt...."
After this sudden drama, he was taken to hospital and died 2 days later.
So you wish all who do not beleive to die,your God is some wonderful thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
Fair play for a Christian and my limited understanding and interpretation of Christian beliefs, you're coming across as a bit of a zealous cuunt?Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
Or is Christianity a bit of a cuuntish religion when you strip away all the child friendly stuff?
Since when was zeal a bad thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
Would you choose to watch City with a half hearted fan or someone who follows City with real zeal?
I wish?Quote:
Originally Posted by jeepster
That statement makes no sense. It's knowledge.
It's the same as you flagging down a car to tell them a bridge is out between them and their holiday destination, it has nothing to do with you or your opinion or even what you wish, it's about the fact that if they stay on that same route, then they will probably perish.
Well you have your thoughts and i have mine,which i will keep with me until my dying day.:thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
The 'Loving God' creates humans who do not consider there to be sufficient evidence to believe in him, the talking snake and the virgin birth etc and then condemns them to eternal hell as a result.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeepster
The evidence is Jesus. Either you accept him or reject him. End of discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
It's fascinating to me how this subject refuses to go away, considering the vast majority of posters are anti-Christianity. I bet if there was a thread on who has travelled the furthest to watch City play away it would at some point revert to discussing talking snakes or the virgin birth. :wink:
Well that says it all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
Well as you mention it on the way to :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
I think you will find that truthpaste probably introduced the religious aspect to this thread. I could be wrong, of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
I'm a half hearted City fan, I attend games under duress if I'm honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
In regards to my two questions I'm assuming the answer is, yes you are and yes it is?
Indeed it does! Take it or leave it old fruit 😉Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
Probably but others keep it going. I admire his tenacity though, fair play. I tend to take the "shake the dust off your feet" approach myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
Apathy is a growing attitude; however it holds no appeal for me and when we think back to our education, when we were introduced to a new subject that we knew little or nothing about, it was always the teachers with a passion for the subject that successfully took more pupils with them on that journey.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
If a Christian doesn't say anything seen to be religious, you can depend on a skeptic to do so. They will do it to try and reaffirm their own world view. When that world view is unable to be defended or they can't face any questions on it, they (like Jeepster - above) will end the dialogue and retreat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
No retreat just can not reason with religious freak.Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
1. I've never presented RELIGION as an answer for anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeepster
2. Your last comment makes no sense, because speaking to friends, family or others (like those here) who have yet to trust in Christ I only discuss verified facts when it comes to a world view. So for you to say my faith is a barrier is invalid.
If you ARE able to support your world view (the origin of life, the reason for life and anything beyond this life) apart from the Bible via verified evidence then fire away.
If you cannot then you have no reasonable grounds to criticise any other viewpoint.
How on earth is anything from the bible verified.?Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
Just man made stories about so called miracles.
:hehe: :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
Back to the topic of the thread for a moment :hide:
I see on Al Jazeera news that the Egyptians appear to be building a guarded security enclosure on their side of the wall with Rafah to create a safe space for Palestinian refugees. At last an answer to the question I have been asking for a while - what would Egypt do if there was a sudden mass stampede of refugees when the IDF start their ground invasion of Rafah. They have obviously woken up to the fact that this is a likely scenario. It is good to see fellow Arabs doing something positive. I don't know if they will be able to cope with the likely numbers though but at least this way humanitarian aid can be provided directly to these poor people in a safe environment with less chance of Hamas getting their hands on it.
They are verified on a regular basis in many areas of science and history.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeepster
NB: For example, archeologists have actually used the Gospel of Luke and the Book of Acts to assist them in locating many things and they give credit to the meticulous writing of Luke which was the key to them finding many of those historical artifacts.
If you move away from the skeptics (who love to make sweeping assumptions) for a moment and do your own research you will see it very differently. Many former skeptics have published their findings and all of them realise they were completely wrong in their original assumptions.
Here is one article which you will find to be genuine:-
Josh McDowell lists evidences for Luke’s accuracy compiled by Roman historian Colin Hemer, a noted Roman historian: “Specialized details, which would not be known except to a contemporary researcher. . .details include exact titles of officials, identification of army units. . .correlation of dates of known kings and governors within the chronology of the narrative. . .‘undesigned coincidences’ between Acts and the Pauline Epistles. . .off-hand geographical references that bespeak familiarity with common knowledge.”
McDowell notes that many times historians thought Luke was in error on some points, only to be proven wrong by an archaeological discovery. For example:
Luke spoke of Philippi as a “part” or “district” of Macedonia. It was believed he erred because the Greek word meris did not mean “district.” Archaeological evidence unearthed showed, however, that “district” was the exact meaning of the Greek word meris that Luke had used.
Luke referred to Lysanias the Tetrarch of Abilene in his Gospel. Because the only known Lysanias to historians was killed in 36 B.C., Luke was thought to be in error. Then an inscription was found bearing the name of Lysanias the Tetrarch and dated between 14 and 29 A.D., just at the right time period.
Luke was thought to be wrong about the census taken at the time of Christ, because critics said there was no evidence of a census and that the governor called Quirinius was in power too late, 6 A.D., to be in his position at the time of Christ. They also stated that it was not required for the people to return to their birth homes. But archaeology showed that in fact these censuses were done regularly and that one was indeed taken at the time of Christ and, furthermore, that Quirinius was governor (or at least an administrator of some type, see footnote #5 below) a second time, in 7 B.C. They also found evidence on a papyrus document showing that during the censuses people were required to return to their own homes and countries.[4][5]
Luke referred to the Philippian officials as praetors, when some scholars thought the titles should be duumvirs, but archaeological finds showed that in fact praetors was the right title for the Roman magistrates of the colony.
Luke used the title politarchs for the Thessalonian officials, but since this title was not found in the classical literature Luke was again assumed to be wrong. Then several inscriptions were found that used the title politarchs, and five of them referred to Thessalonica.[6]
There are many more examples of these findings, where Luke was right and the critics were wrong. Everywhere we can check the Bible’s history, it proves reliable. The above excerpt was taken from The Bible Can Be Proven, Chapter 6 entitled “The Shovel doesn’t Lie.”
If the Palestinian population of Gaza is forced into the Sinai it will be a victory for ethnic cleansing and genocide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
If that happens everything possible should be done to provide food, medicines and shelter - but it must be a temporary situation.
I'm sure Hamas have had their share of the pitiful trickle of aid that has got in to Gaza but that is a footnote to the big picture. The Israeli government has blocked and restricted aid since October, and has colluded with the Israeli settlers and other far right protestors who object to Palestinians eating or drinking clean water and have put up barriers at all the Israeli crossings.
They all want the Gazans in Egyptian territory too - another shameful wave of refugees for the world to ignore.
Hope this happens for those poor people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
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Originally Posted by truthpaste
But none of that proves that God exists though does it?Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
I don’t think anyone denies that the Bible acts as a historical reference though. It was written in historical times.
Jeepster did when he said - "How on earth is anything from the bible verified.?"Quote:
Originally Posted by stevo
When you look further, then you realise that the human authors could NOT have written all they did alone, they must have had help from a being outside our dimension of time.
I admire your passion for your beliefs but when they appear to override compassion, common sense and any humanity towards others you're coming across as I described in an earlier post.Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
Still, its whatever floats your boat.
And that's because I object to Hamas using the people who voted them in as human pawns? :facepalm:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
As for floating boats, if you think you have one that's more watertight than the Bible then name it.
What an alien?Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
Not being human by nature, so technically 'alien' to us.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeepster
He did become human however, for many reasons but primarily to die at Calvary for creatures who generally have little time for Him.
Wow,just lord of the rings kind of thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
100% agree with that. For a while I've been thinking that the very stance that the Egyptians are now taking might be exactly what Israel wants, so they can claim the entire Gaza strip and not let the Palestinians back in. What will be left of Rafah after the final battle between Hamas and IDF - not a lot I suspect, judging by the amount of destruction elsewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
No my impression of you, although perhaps unfair stems from the link you posted about the Turkish politician dropping more or less dead for calling out Israel and invoking Allah. You seem quite happy with this? To me, it reads like you're suggesting your 'God' struck him down as a punishment? This view seems a little way off my understanding of Christianity which admittedly is very limited?Quote:
Originally Posted by truthpaste
Regarding Hamas I think they're massive cuunts, I've said so previously. I also think the current Israeli coalition government are too.
Yep, and you’d expect any decent person with morals including Christians to see it like this also, maybe without the language you used but you’d think they’d share the same sentiment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
Impressions can be way off, particularly when you've only read snippets of what someone has written. I've often made that mistake based on limited information.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
I showed what happened in Turkey simply to show that Genesis 12:3 was not only true in the past, but it remains true. On a national scale, Egypt was once a world power, it acted against Israel and it's now no more than a third world country.
So Almighty God simply acted on a declaration he made via Moses when he wrote the book of Genesis, and my reaction to that event or any other individual who has been blessed or cursed because of that promise is therefore irrelevant.
Obviously your impression of Christianity is yours alone, and like anyone who isn't a Christian it will be formed by what you've read, heard and seen; sadly for the majority of non-Christians I've met and discussed Christianity, they have mainly obtained their opinion by observing people who have claimed to be Christian but are anything but.
Religious people would put anyone off and are the main cause of most people not finding Christ Jesus.
Which is a book written by a born-again Christian - namely J. R. R. Tolkien.Quote:
Originally Posted by jeepster
Here is one section from the above link >> The pagan stories, Tolkien insisted, are God expressing himself through the minds of poets: They are “splintered fragments” of a much greater story. The account of Christ and his death and resurrection is a kind of myth, he explained. It works on our imagination in much the same way as other myths, with this difference: It really happened. Perhaps only Tolkien, with his immense intelligence and creativity, could have persuaded Lewis that his reason and imagination might become allies in the act of faith.
Lewis’s objections melted away, like ants into a furnace. “The old myth of the Dying God, without ceasing to be myth, comes down from the heaven of legend and imagination to the earth of history,” he wrote after his conversion. “We must not be ashamed of the mythical radiance resting on our theology.”
The modern mind, buttressed by science and psychology, seems either ashamed or baffled by this radiance. Even many church pulpits have transformed the historic teaching of the resurrection into a homey metaphor of springtime renewal: an unwitting nod to pagan religion.
Yet herein lies the startling, nonnegotiable claim of the Christian faith, the event that turned a disillusioned band of followers into the most resilient and transformative religious community in history. At its heart, it is the story of the God of love on a rescue mission for mankind: Christ has died, Christ is risen.
The resurrection is the foundation on which Christianity stands. If anyone can prove that it never happened I will happily renounce my faith!