Yeah but that is a non-starter, restriction of trade is naturally going to hurt both sides and your evidence of 'it not being brexit' is that germany and france are struggling as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
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Yeah but that is a non-starter, restriction of trade is naturally going to hurt both sides and your evidence of 'it not being brexit' is that germany and france are struggling as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I think in most countries you are going to be able to find some people who would welcome their leader being put in a gulag and some that don't, pointing at one or the other isn't really going to be reliable evidence of it being good. There are people on here who would be pretty happy if the chinooks landed at number 10 and put a bag on Starmers head. It isn't about the situation, its about the precedent.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
Regime change hasn't worked out well in the past, this is slightly different because they aren't even pretending that they want to change the regime, they are just going to keep working down the ladder until they find someone who will help secure passage for American oil companies. It is a protection racket and no amount of pointing out that Maduro is bad is going to stop that fact. Which country is next?
Foreign leaders will tie themselves in knots trying to respond to this, because they don't want the spotlight on them. America are just going to roll with this until there is actual political pushback and the eyes of the world are on it.
This is not a situation where you need to hunt for some sort of silver lining, chaos ensues if this becomes normal, that's should be enough for everyone to call it what it is.
My mind goes back to 2003 and the “liberation” of Iraq. I recall a military “expert” being interviewed on breakfast television telling us how the allied forces would be greeted by joyful locals giving them a heroes welcome as they arrived in every new town.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
I remember a time when the FIFA Peace Prize meant something :frown:
I remember when the Epstein Files were on the front pages!Quote:
Originally Posted by delmbox
ding ding ding ding ding!Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Apparently there's around 5 million more items in the files. That amount is going to take a huge amount of distraction to soften their impact. I think anywhere in the World is at risk of a Trump attack but Greenland, Colombia, Cuba and Mexico had better be on red alert.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Oh and doesn't Trump hate the present presidential incumbent in Brazil? Who knows, a daring attempt to restore Bolsanaro to office? Those Epstein files might soon be slipping away into the sports and fashion pages
I couldn't care less, providing no Welshmen are harmed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
If the US wants to play an Imperial game with their young as pawns then maybe those that voted for, excuse or support this government see it as a necessary loss.
They only people that stand to gain are those involved in arms and oil.
Oh and the odd nonce in Epstein files.
Was Joe asleep at the wheel.or has the extra million odd docs only just been found behind the sideboard?, far left cocaine loving commie's have been not so vocal of late, I wonder if the penny has suddenly dropped, Trump's 5D chess whilst the fact checking guardian BBC fan boys are still trying to learn checkers. 😁Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
NCSWIC
Can anyone translate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Heathblue
I can’t work out if Trump’s 5D chess is hiding Epstein files, deflecting the news agenda, breaking international law, trashing the ‘rules based order’, stealing the oil, threatening Greenland (again) or ‘OD’ing on aspirin?
Or all of the above?
This latest round of Trump love seems to have its own coded language. Very difficult for non true believers to follow!
Trump would have difficulty understanding Snap let alone ChessQuote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Just to add my own absolute drivel and if some media reports are to be believed, I suggest to resolve the Venezuela crisis Trump should challenge Maduro to a dance off.
Obviously being Trump, he'd make it the biggest and most beautiful 'dance off' since Special K, Ozone & Turbo went head to head with Electro Rock.
TV/Streaming rights, Trump wearing shorts akin to Apollo Creed in Rocky III I actually think it makes commercial sense as well as a great spectacle.
We need impartial judges though so sorry Piers Morgan you've picked Donnie's bollocks far too much to be considered.
AFDFAAFK
Above is for those 'in the know'... nod, nod...
The Dance of the MacabreQuote:
Originally Posted by Jordi Culé
By your logic, the Venezuelans deserve everything they get for electing Maduro initially (if it was ever fair in the first place) and Palestinians deserve what they get for electing Hamas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Paget Flashman
It's one way of looking at it I suppose, but not a very good one
Its funny seeing all the "no more wars" people suddenly deciding that it's a good think that the US have unilaterally decided to invade a country and depose their leader, and they just happen to have a shitload of oil.
As others have pointed out If China decide that they want to take Taiwan back - or at least impose a Beijing friendly leadership there then it would be pretty hypocritical for the US to now oppose that. Or indeed you can make a similar comparison with what Putin tried to achieve in Ukraine.
Trump seems to have singled handedly dialled the clocks back to an age of gunboat diplomacy.
I'll give it a go.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Heathblue was freshly back home after more than a few post match family pints during which they came up with their "wind up the lefties" lines for the week.
This apparently involves concurrently believing acts of regime change are abhorrent and Trump's act of regime change is an example of him playing 5d chess. Whether this survives the sobering up process is anyone's guess!
The median age in Gaza in 2023 was around 20 and the last election was held in 2006. Median age is likely even lower now so the majority of people in Gaza were not even alive at the last election, let alone old enough to vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
It's a bit different to the USA.
The logic is grotesque however you look at it, without any demographic justification. Wishing for death to make a political point is plainly wrong, and it's a clear extension of the logic expressed in an earlier post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Except the difference being that Venezuela or Palestine aren't imperialistic countries.
I am not saying it isn't still a bad thing to say, I am saying its different and not comparable because almost every voting age person in the USA had the opportunity not to vote for this administration last year, Palestinians have significantly less power and opportunity.Quote:
Originally Posted by JamesWales
If this isn't a failure, I think they will go again. In some ways its more valid for me to say 'James wants Venezuela to be a successful mission for the USA, he therefore wants the USA to do the same to other countries'. I don't think you do want that, but it is the probable outcome of this all working out without negative consequences.
It's all part of the majority powers seeking to source raw materials around the world albeit in different ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dorcus
It's highly unlikely that Trump's objective is to leave Venezuela in a more democratic state than the US is becoming. That would entail the risk that US oil companies may not be welcome by any elected leadership there.
Russia must be envious.
Fair play, you'd win the Olympic gold medal for mental gymnastics :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
What the heck ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLFkQbPWWDI
I don't think it's Trump dialling it back, Russia already invaded Ukraine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
From my understanding Venezuela have long been cosying up to the Chinese and Russians and so similar to Russia's invasion this is about spheres of influence, the big players trying to control their immediate surroundings and sending a message.
Political leaders will make noise of international law and sovereignty but unless you are able to enforce or defend it it's all for nothing.
What I would say is unlike the rather messy, cumbersome approach of the past and Russia's own attempts in Ukraine, this seems to have been extremely well planned and rather "clean".
China will be moving in very soon on this now no doubt, almost a green light. Putin doesn’t like Ukraines president, ok to take him out too then? I’m surprised it hasn’t kicked off in the democrat cities of the USA yet, how much longer are they going to put up with this government running the show?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
It's a dubious honour in having better invaded another sovereign state than another invader - and the long-term ramifications are yet to unfurl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trigger
I'm sure Trump would love to have an insurrection taking place on home soil, he would be in his element.Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
The situation whereby the world's superpowers, oil states and oligarchs (whether the latter be Russian, US-based or otherwise) are carving up the world simply reminds me how ludicrous the WEF conspiracy theorists have been on this message board over the years.
It was such a laughable concept that old men across the global political divides would profit from destroying the world's economy but at least two extremely frequent posters swallowed it whole.
Russia invaded Ukraine, and they have faced sanctions ever since (well the second time). So it clearly wasn't considered a legitimate course of action at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trigger
America has done it now and are seemingly saying it's fine for bigger countries to impose their will on weaker neighbours.
Yep he no doubt send in special forces….:shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
The 80 people that died and their families would probably disagree with your definition of cleanQuote:
Originally Posted by Trigger
The WEF lost influence when Kamala failed to win, ditto the EU globalists. We are now living in interesting times as they say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
Amazing isn't it. After spewing out years of hogwash that The Great Reset was unstoppable because of the all powerful hidden forces it appears that the line is now that Davos gang were so impotent that they couldn't even fix an election won by a couple of hundred thousand votes in some swing states.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
So the people who, according to you lot, fixed the 2020 election decided not to bother in 2024?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
It was a totally different ground game.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Now ain't that the truth.... brilliant!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
‘The FIFA Peace Prize hanging round his neck like a Jim’ll Fix It badge’…. Fantastic!Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
The left have the best comedians :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959