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Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Neither of them relate to the fee, do they? They've not got involved with the tit for tat that Nantes tried to involve the club in. Also, when the news comes out about the pilot etc, I don't think the club can say nothing.
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Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
Neither of them relate to the fee, do they? They've not got involved with the tit for tat that Nantes tried to involve the club in. Also, when the news comes out about the pilot etc, I don't think the club can say nothing.
What have Nantes actually said publicly prior to today? What 'tit for tat' have they attempted to involve the club in?
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Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
Neither of them relate to the fee, do they?
You think they're unconnected?
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Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
What have Nantes actually said publicly prior to today? What 'tit for tat' have they attempted to involve the club in?
https://www.theguardian.com/football...-emiliano-sala
Nantes demanded the fee after a few weeks.
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Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
You think they're unconnected?
After the reports come out, do you think the club can say nothing?
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Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
Nantes demanded the fee after a few weeks.
Indeed they did. But how on earth does Nantes requesting a payment they believed they were legally overdue for a player they had sold to Cardiff equate to them attempting to involve City in 'tit for tat'? To me, it suggests they were attempting to get paid.
Remember, it was Cardiff City who announced to the world that they had signed Sala subject to international clearance, and there's never been any suggestion that the clearance wasn't forthcoming:
https://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news...-is-a-bluebird
Until today, I honestly can't recall reading a single thing in the press from Nantes regarding the Sala business other than their initial statements after he'd gone missing. However, Cardiff have made plenty of noise about it. Indeed, the Chairman was talking to the French press within days.
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Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala
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Originally Posted by
G rangetown Blue
This is what I thought.
Let’s pay what we have to, and sue McKay if our insurance (I’m assuming we have some) doesn’t pay out.
Not a lot of point in pursuing Willie McKay for money as he is an unduscharged bankrupt under a bankruptcy restriction order until at least 2023.
The only hope of him being punished is in a criminal case under two options
1. He is due back in court shortly to try and defend a criminal claim against him for breaches of his bankruptcy
2. There may possibly in future be manslaughter charges relating to involvement in the plane crash
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Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
After the reports come out, do you think the club can say nothing?
Of course they could have said nothing. To me, that would have been the wisest and most dignified thing to do.
What did City gain by releasing the statements they did? What did those statements achieve?
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Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala
But isn't there also the problem of the usual add-ons to contracts like a part being payable after so many games and/or part payable if we didn't get relegated etc?
Things like this wiould affect the final cost shirley?
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Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
But isn't there also the problem of the usual add-ons to contracts like a part being payable after so many games and/or part payable if we didn't get relegated etc? Things like this wiould affect the final cost shirley?
They would indeed, if there were any. I’d assume any performance-related add-ons would be null and void if the conditions weren’t met, but as none of us know what was in the contract, it’s impossible for any of us to know for sure what Nantes are legally owed.
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Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
They would indeed, if there were any. I’d assume any performance-related add-ons would be null and void if the conditions weren’t met, but as none of us know what was in the contract, it’s impossible for any of us to know for sure what Nantes are legally owed.
I would have thought it went without saying that any appearance bonuses would probably be null and void.
I’d be surprised if Nantes started asking for them aswell to be honest.
The crucial matter is who’s player he was, if he was ours then we have to pay Nantes the transfer fee. Even Cardiff seem to accept that as the point they seem to be arguing is he wasn’t our player when the flight took off.
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Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
They would indeed, if there were any. I’d assume any performance-related add-ons would be null and void if the conditions weren’t met, but as none of us know what was in the contract, it’s impossible for any of us to know for sure what Nantes are legally owed.
So I presume FIFA's ruling [ or is it an opinion], hasn't taken the full contract details into consideration. Anyway, I don't think it's going to be a 'football' decision, more likely a point of contract law/ownership decided by lawyers specializing in this field, which is ultimately where any insurance underwriters will place their judgement..
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Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala
First and foremost RIP Sala.
But what would have happened if he didnt die tragically like he did but played for us and in his first game he had an injury that ended his career.
Would we and he be insured for that ?
Would the club get an insurance pay out?
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Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala
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insider
First and foremost RIP Sala.
But what would have happened if he didnt die tragically like he did but played for us and in his first game he had an injury that ended his career.
Would we and he be insured for that ?
Would the club get an insurance pay out?
Yes clubs are insured against that.
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Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala
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Originally Posted by
rudy gestede
Yes clubs are insured against that.
Similarly if a player died as a result of an injury, playing or training. But it's whether insurance extends to death outside the 'workplace., or perhaps to an illness. No doubt we'll all be to the wiser in the coming months -or years [!] ..
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Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala
It can be weird, West Ham got nothing when Dean Ashton’s career was ended in England training.
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Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala
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Originally Posted by
rudy gestede
It can be weird, West Ham got nothing when Dean Ashton’s career was ended in England training.
West Ham did get money though - they sued the FA, Chelsea and Wright-Phillips.
So taking that into account we should sue the Pilot, the Firm the Pilot was working for and the People who arranged the flight ( which maybe the agent rather than the bankrupt McKay - let him sue his dad ).
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Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Of course they could have said nothing. To me, that would have been the wisest and most dignified thing to do.
What did City gain by releasing the statements they did? What did those statements achieve?
Distancing themselves from McKay who was making disparaging comments about the club? The club were getting stick from the broadsheets and McKay who did his TV interview, so I don't think the club could have said nothing. They were reacting to Nantes' demands for payments while his body wasn't found, while McKay was throwing as much mud so his name wouldn't get tarnished.
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Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
Distancing themselves from McKay who was making disparaging comments about the club? The club were getting stick from the broadsheets and McKay who did his TV interview, so I don't think the club could have said nothing. They were reacting to Nantes' demands for payments while his body wasn't found, while McKay was throwing as much mud so his name wouldn't get tarnished.
This is a balanced and appropriate response that considers a wider array of variables. Unfortunately there are a few, apparently quite articulate, people on here who when they get into a debate (I’m being kind here) seem to find it rather difficult to see anyone else’s perspective no matter how rational.
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Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
Distancing themselves from McKay who was making disparaging comments about the club? The club were getting stick from the broadsheets and McKay who did his TV interview, so I don't think the club could have said nothing. They were reacting to Nantes' demands for payments while his body wasn't found, while McKay was throwing as much mud so his name wouldn't get tarnished.
Let’s hope McKay ends up where he deserves....it’s a bit of an insight into the murky agent world, not good really. Some really horrible people out there.....
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Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
They would indeed, if there were any. I’d assume any performance-related add-ons would be null and void if the conditions weren’t met, but as none of us know what was in the contract, it’s impossible for any of us to know for sure what Nantes are legally owed.
Yes, that is my point. the stated 15M may include those things which for example by dint of non appearance would be void. So rather than clarify anything the FIFA staement compounds the confusion.
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Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
As harsh as this sounds it’s business, and at the end of the day if he wasn’t our player then we shouldn’t pay. Harsh but true.
I’m sure his family will get money.
Why do you wish we’d paid it? So we don’t look bad? Not often anyone leaves these situations looking good, both sides had valid arguments. It is what it is.
I wish we'd paid it because of these
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He was our player. If what happened hadn't happened any registration issues or paperwork issues would have been ironed out without any of us knowing and he would have played a week later. Saying "yeah but TECHNICALLY he wasn't wasn't ours" once he died is a bit tasteless in my opinion.
I understand the financial reasons and that the club would have been led by the insurers and that 10 million is 10 million but personally I don't like it. It's something about the club that I'm not proud of and that's not going to change.
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Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala
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I wish we'd paid it because of these
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He was our player. If what happened hadn't happened any registration issues or paperwork issues would have been ironed out without any of us knowing and he would have played a week later. Saying "yeah but TECHNICALLY he wasn't wasn't ours" once he died is a bit tasteless in my opinion.
I understand the financial reasons and that the club would have been led by the insurers and that 10 million is 10 million but personally I don't like it. It's something about the club that I'm not proud of and that's not going to change.
Agreed but what if they’ve been advised whoever is supposed to pay will be insured anyway?
Would be a bit stupid to pay if Nantes still owned him and could claim the cash through insurance.
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Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
Distancing themselves from McKay who was making disparaging comments about the club? The club were getting stick from the broadsheets and McKay who did his TV interview, so I don't think the club could have said nothing. They were reacting to Nantes' demands for payments while his body wasn't found, while McKay was throwing as much mud so his name wouldn't get tarnished.
By releasing official statements in answer to press reports, wasn't the club engaging in the exact kind of tit for tat that you accused Nantes (who actually said nothing publicly as far as I'm aware) of being guilty of?
We'll have to agree to disagree on this issue because I don't believe the club gained anything at all by releasing the statements they did. Indeed, it's looked to me like City have simply been desperately trying to publicly distance themselves from any blame for the Sala situation and point the fingers at others, but I cannot see the benefit of doing that. It's almost like the club has been protesting too much. When all is said and done, CCFC will or will not have to pay the transfer fee based on the legality or otherwise of the player's contract. Statements about the accident or the pilot or agents won't make a scrap of difference in reality, but I appreciate you see this differently and you are, of course, fully entitled to hold such an opinion.
I can't help wondering how you and others would have reacted had a rival club handled this situation in the way that Cardiff have, but given the unique circumstances it's thankfully something we'll never find out.
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Re: Cardiff to pay 5.3 Million for Sala
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
By releasing official statements in answer to press reports, wasn't the club engaging in the exact kind of tit for tat that you accused Nantes (who actually said nothing publicly as far as I'm aware) of being guilty of?
We'll have to agree to disagree on this issue because I don't believe the club gained anything at all by releasing the statements they did. Indeed, it's looked to me like City have simply been desperately trying to publicly distance themselves from any blame for the Sala situation and point the fingers at others, but I cannot see the benefit of doing that. It's almost like the club has been protesting too much. When all is said and done, CCFC will or will not have to pay the transfer fee based on the legality or otherwise of the player's contract. Statements about the accident or the pilot or agents won't make a scrap of difference in reality, but I appreciate you see this differently and you are, of course, fully entitled to hold such an opinion.
I can't help wondering how you and others would have reacted had a rival club handled this situation in the way that Cardiff have, but given the unique circumstances it's thankfully something we'll never find out.
I think you are being very unfair to the club. As you say this was a unique situation and to a large extent the club has had to be guided by solicitors and insurance companies. I think they have done a decent job in these terrible circumstances.
From press reports the club has helped the family financially and were present at the funeral.