The 'debate', a brave Farage, and zero hours.

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Originally Posted by tigerbaybluebird wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:57

Fair play there's a fair few bell ends in this thread

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Originally Posted by Kiffa wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:55

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Originally Posted by Cathaze Blue wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:47

Nigel Farage did make a fair point regarding the scots being favoured vis a vis the barnett formula. And it is a historical injustice that continues to this day because Welsh people have nowhere to turn. Tory is a no go and Labour is just the same old shite.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:30

...... There are other parties you know, loads of em. Scotland thought the same, suddenly they voted snp and now look, they will have a strong say in parliament over the next 5 years. It's not just vote labour to keep the Tories out. Wales has voted labour for ages, still didn't stop us from getting a Tory government last time...

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Originally Posted by Cathaze Blue wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:24

If I lived in Wales I would vote UKIP.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:21

I understand they could not care less about Wales or Welsh history/culture but hear me out.

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Originally Posted by Cathaze Blue wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:18

SNP support has/will surge. Another referendum will come and they will leave the union. If they are not asked to leave before that. Scottish succession is inevitable.

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Originally Posted by tommy31 wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:00

When this point comes, Wales will have to decide if they want to stay part of the UK themselves or become a truly independent country. I think the best thing for Wales will be remaining part of the union with England but Wales will be able to negotiate a hell of deal for itself with England with the scots gone.

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Originally Posted by Cathaze Blue wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 09:36

High speed rail link between London and Cardiff. Being able to travel between the two cities in under an hour. Re-negotiation of the barnett formula. In fact throw the barnett formula out the window.

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If Scotland choose to go it alone who is to say that England couldn't make the same decision thereafter?

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Originally Posted by The Penguin wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:01

Farage is probably the bravest politician in the country - he says what people think.

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Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 09:46

No, he says what some people think.

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Originally Posted by The Penguin wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 08:52

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So can you please confirm if you agree with Frage or not?

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Originally Posted by NECS wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:57

He will be the easy target for most. He doesn't want more foreigners using the NHS and doesn't like being part of Europe so the guy is clearly a racist.

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Originally Posted by Trigger wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:53

I think he was the only one who has the balls to say what he really thinks and believes. Rest of the debate was pretty much the old rivals attacking each other with the other 3 just chipping in against labour and the tories.

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I never really know where the sarcasm or satire starts and ends on this board.

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Originally Posted by The Penguin wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:01

Farage is probably the bravest politician in the country - he says what people think.

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Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 09:46

No, he says what some people think.

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Originally Posted by The Penguin wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 08:52

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Your public sector comment does not make any sense either - there are large numbers of public sector workers not in a trade union and not all public sector unions are affiliated to the Labour Party.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 11:00

Nigel Farage did make a fair point regarding the scots being favoured vis a vis the barnett formula. And it is a historical injustice that continues to this day because Welsh people have nowhere to turn. Tory is a no go and Labour is just the same old shite.

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Originally Posted by Cathaze Blue wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:47

...... There are other parties you know, loads of em. Scotland thought the same, suddenly they voted snp and now look, they will have a strong say in parliament over the next 5 years. It's not just vote labour to keep the Tories out. Wales has voted labour for ages, still didn't stop us from getting a Tory government last time...

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:30

If I lived in Wales I would vote UKIP.

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Originally Posted by Cathaze Blue wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:24

I understand they could not care less about Wales or Welsh history/culture but hear me out.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:21

SNP support has/will surge. Another referendum will come and they will leave the union. If they are not asked to leave before that. Scottish succession is inevitable.

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Originally Posted by Cathaze Blue wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:18

When this point comes, Wales will have to decide if they want to stay part of the UK themselves or become a truly independent country. I think the best thing for Wales will be remaining part of the union with England but Wales will be able to negotiate a hell of deal for itself with England with the scots gone.

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Originally Posted by tommy31 wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:00

High speed rail link between London and Cardiff. Being able to travel between the two cities in under an hour. Re-negotiation of the barnett formula. In fact throw the barnett formula out the window.

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Originally Posted by Cathaze Blue wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 09:36

If Scotland ****s off and Wales can stake a claim in the constitutional void. I could see South Wales being similarly prosperous to Berkshire in the distant future.

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The England that signed up to the Act of Union 1707 (with Scotland) was not a distinct entity. In fact it had de-facto annexed Wales for more than 500 years by then.

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Originally Posted by Cathaze Blue wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 11:17

Nigel Farage did make a fair point regarding the scots being favoured vis a vis the barnett formula. And it is a historical injustice that continues to this day because Welsh people have nowhere to turn. Tory is a no go and Labour is just the same old shite.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 11:00

...... There are other parties you know, loads of em. Scotland thought the same, suddenly they voted snp and now look, they will have a strong say in parliament over the next 5 years. It's not just vote labour to keep the Tories out. Wales has voted labour for ages, still didn't stop us from getting a Tory government last time...

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Originally Posted by Cathaze Blue wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:47

If I lived in Wales I would vote UKIP.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:30

I understand they could not care less about Wales or Welsh history/culture but hear me out.

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Originally Posted by Cathaze Blue wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:24

SNP support has/will surge. Another referendum will come and they will leave the union. If they are not asked to leave before that. Scottish succession is inevitable.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:21

When this point comes, Wales will have to decide if they want to stay part of the UK themselves or become a truly independent country. I think the best thing for Wales will be remaining part of the union with England but Wales will be able to negotiate a hell of deal for itself with England with the scots gone.

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Originally Posted by Cathaze Blue wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:18

High speed rail link between London and Cardiff. Being able to travel between the two cities in under an hour. Re-negotiation of the barnett formula. In fact throw the barnett formula out the window.

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Originally Posted by tommy31 wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:00

If Scotland ****s off and Wales can stake a claim in the constitutional void. I could see South Wales being similarly prosperous to Berkshire in the distant future.

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Originally Posted by Cathaze Blue wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 09:36

Lets be honest. The scots may be able to delude themselves that they can live in some socialist paradise for all eternity. But there is no doubt that Wales is better off with economically-right England that can pay its debts and hopefully prosper in the World.

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Why could England not choose to leave the union if Scotland already chose to do so?

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Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 11:08

Farage is probably the bravest politician in the country - he says what people think.

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Originally Posted by The Penguin wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:01

No, he says what some people think.

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Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 09:46

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Originally Posted by The Penguin wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 08:52

Fortunately some of us know that immigrants are not responsible for every single problem this country has.

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Are you sure youre not an MP

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Originally Posted by The Penguin wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:34

Penguin may I simply ask why your location says Norway, do you live and work there, are you a Norweigan or in fact and immigrant you seem to despise so much.

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Originally Posted by pompeyblue wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:12

im near Wrexham. Im not even NOrwegian im Welsh....

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Why are you so defensive about people suggesting you do not like immigrants? You clearly dont - you have demonstrated it in this post. I dont get why people on the right get so upity about people sayuing they are right wing. I have no problem with people saying i am left wing.

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Originally Posted by The Penguin wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 11:20

I agree in that immigrants are responsible for some of the problems this country has. Farage does not at any stage blame all the problems of this country on immigration and it is disingenuous of you to suggest so, actually it is a downright lie.

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Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 11:23

Penguin may I simply ask why your location says Norway, do you live and work there, are you a Norweigan or in fact and immigrant you seem to despise so much.

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Originally Posted by The Penguin wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:34

im near Wrexham. Im not even NOrwegian im Welsh....

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Originally Posted by pompeyblue wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:12

to say i despise immigrants is quite pathetic, and actually ignorant and sneaky

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Lets build on the green belt in Snowdonia, and house a few thousand incomers. They can all work in the tourist industry....oh, hold on a minute.

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Originally Posted by The Penguin wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 11:37

Penguin may I simply ask why your location says Norway, do you live and work there, are you a Norweigan or in fact and immigrant you seem to despise so much.

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Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 11:23

im near Wrexham. Im not even NOrwegian im Welsh....

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Originally Posted by The Penguin wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:34

to say i despise immigrants is quite pathetic, and actually ignorant and sneaky

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Originally Posted by pompeyblue wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:12

my original post says STOP inward migration for three years except for essential professionals like doctors and nurses.

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Originally Posted by Kiffa wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 11:42

Penguin may I simply ask why your location says Norway, do you live and work there, are you a Norweigan or in fact and immigrant you seem to despise so much.

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Originally Posted by The Penguin wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 11:37

im near Wrexham. Im not even NOrwegian im Welsh....

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Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 11:23

to say i despise immigrants is quite pathetic, and actually ignorant and sneaky

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Originally Posted by The Penguin wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:34

my original post says STOP inward migration for three years except for essential professionals like doctors and nurses.

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Originally Posted by pompeyblue wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:12

Immigrants need houses, we dont have enough

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Originally Posted by The Penguin wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 11:46

Penguin may I simply ask why your location says Norway, do you live and work there, are you a Norweigan or in fact and immigrant you seem to despise so much.

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Originally Posted by Kiffa wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 11:42

im near Wrexham. Im not even NOrwegian im Welsh....

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Originally Posted by The Penguin wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 11:37

to say i despise immigrants is quite pathetic, and actually ignorant and sneaky

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Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 11:23

my original post says STOP inward migration for three years except for essential professionals like doctors and nurses.

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Originally Posted by The Penguin wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:34

Immigrants need houses, we dont have enough

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Originally Posted by pompeyblue wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:12

Immigrants want benefits - this is proven for the majority

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Imagine a Wales of 20 million and a team full of Gareth Bales. We'd win every sporting contest known to man.

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Originally Posted by The Penguin wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 11:37

Penguin may I simply ask why your location says Norway, do you live and work there, are you a Norweigan or in fact and immigrant you seem to despise so much.

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Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 11:23

im near Wrexham. Im not even NOrwegian im Welsh....

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Originally Posted by The Penguin wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:34

to say i despise immigrants is quite pathetic, and actually ignorant and sneaky

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Originally Posted by pompeyblue wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:12

my original post says STOP inward migration for three years except for essential professionals like doctors and nurses.

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If you are worried about development on green fields you could always vote for the green party, they would also take that position. They also want to see the development of green industries. But for some reason you seem to be siding with the Racist party. Why is that?

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Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 11:56

Penguin may I simply ask why your location says Norway, do you live and work there, are you a Norweigan or in fact and immigrant you seem to despise so much.

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Originally Posted by The Penguin wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 11:37

im near Wrexham. Im not even NOrwegian im Welsh....

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Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 11:23

to say i despise immigrants is quite pathetic, and actually ignorant and sneaky

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Originally Posted by The Penguin wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:34

my original post says STOP inward migration for three years except for essential professionals like doctors and nurses.

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Originally Posted by pompeyblue wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 10:12

Immigrants need houses, we dont have enough

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&quot;Siding with the Racist party&quot; FFS why is wanting to control immigration rascist?

It doesn't really matter if it's mainly Brits coming home or people coming here for the first time, we aren't set up to welcome the number that came in over the last year and this needs to be balanced with the massive boost immigration brings.

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Originally Posted by nathansfmachine wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 12:40

&quot;Siding with the Racist party&quot; FFS why is wanting to control immigration rascist?

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Then you look at the people involved in the party and the racist things they say and get up to - and hey presto - you have good grounds for calling a party racist!

&quot;All mainstream parties want to control immigration&quot; yep they certainly do! Before Farage come along then no one was bothered but since he is now looking like polling 15% to 20% suddenly they are all interested. I accept UKIP have a fair few racists in their ranks but so have the Tories and Labour for that matter. I find myself agreeing with a lot of what Farage is saying, do I want UKIP to achieve overall power then the answer is no but would I like us to adopt some of their policies then yes I would. It's shocking that we give aid to countries who happen to have their own space programme, health tourism is also something I would like to see stopped. Does this make me a racist?

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Originally Posted by nathansfmachine wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 13:05

&quot;All mainstream parties want to control immigration&quot; yep they certainly do! Before Farage come along then no one was bothered but since he is now looking like polling 15% to 20% suddenly they are all interested. I accept UKIP have a fair few racists in their ranks but so have the Tories and Labour for that matter. I find myself agreeing with a lot of what Farage is saying, do I want UKIP to achieve overall power then the answer is no but would I like us to adopt some of their policies then yes I would. It's shocking that we give aid to countries who happen to have their own space programme, health tourism is also something I would like to see stopped. Does this make me a racist?

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Care to name but a few?

Dianne abbot immediately springs to mind.

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Originally Posted by nathansfmachine wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 13:09

Dianne abbot immediately springs to mind.

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Any evidence of this?

Not the best at posting links from the phone. Google her and twitter remarks

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Originally Posted by nathansfmachine wrote on Fri, 03 April 2015 13:14

Not the best at posting links from the phone. Google her and twitter remarks

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you said a fair few though, can't you come up with any more?

Put &quot;racist&quot; on the search as well. How she was not forced to resign is baffling.