This is going to be one great result for Socialism

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Originally Posted by Mick the Miller wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 05:56

At last there will be a return to good old fashioned Socialism.

so the SNP have shown the way to kick the tory scum out of scotland by taking 40 labour seats http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/homer.gif

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Originally Posted by steve davies wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 13:38

At last there will be a return to good old fashioned Socialism.

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Originally Posted by Mick the Miller wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 05:56

Labour have got a kick in the arse for deserting it . The Libs got what they really deserved for lying in filth . The SNP have shown the way to kick Tory scum out of their country.

Shh, don't bother Mick while he's dreamning! Also, never give a socialist facts, they don't like it!

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Originally Posted by Mick the Miller wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 05:56

At last there will be a return to good old fashioned Socialism.

You're right. of course. Never met a socialist who was ever wrong - [or happy, for that matter] http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/Dsmile.gif

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The original poster is the gift who keeps on giving. The last thing Labour need now is a lurch to the left and if that happens, as it well might, the Tories will rule for the next 20 years.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 14:18

At last there will be a return to good old fashioned Socialism.

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Originally Posted by Mick the Miller wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 05:56

Labour have got a kick in the arse for deserting it . The Libs got what they really deserved for lying in filth . The SNP have shown the way to kick Tory scum out of their country.

I think that emphasis must now be placed on direct action. If we can't fight for the poor and vulnerable through the ballot box, we will need to do it on the streets if this becomes necessary.

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I have to say that it was really disappointing to see so many people vote Tory and UKIP. I can't believe that there are 11 Tory MPs in Wales - didn't we wipe them out at one time?

I suppose that at times of austerity people, generally, tend to want to stick with what they have got - rather than trying something different - especially if politicians know which buttons to press in order to play on people's fears.

Left of centre parties all over Europe have struggled recently - so maybe this was not the right time. But Labour lost my vote long ago, by impersonating Thatcherism.

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Originally Posted by Gwynedd Blue wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 15:03

I have to say that it was really disappointing to see so many people vote Tory and UKIP. I can't believe that there are 11 Tory MPs in Wales - didn't we wipe them out at one time?

Time moves on. Breaking the Labour habit is the best possible thing that can happen to Wales.

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Originally Posted by Ragnar Lothbrok wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 15:05

I have to say that it was really disappointing to see so many people vote Tory and UKIP. I can't believe that there are 11 Tory MPs in Wales - didn't we wipe them out at one time?

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Originally Posted by Gwynedd Blue wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 15:03

I suppose that at times of austerity people, generally, tend to want to stick with what they have got - rather than trying something different - especially if politicians know which buttons to press in order to play on people's fears.

It may take years to get elected, but this is better than becoming a right wing party in order to get votes - which is the biggest mistake Labour has made in my view.

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Originally Posted by Gwynedd Blue wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 15:16

I have to say that it was really disappointing to see so many people vote Tory and UKIP. I can't believe that there are 11 Tory MPs in Wales - didn't we wipe them out at one time?

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Originally Posted by Ragnar Lothbrok wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 15:05

I suppose that at times of austerity people, generally, tend to want to stick with what they have got - rather than trying something different - especially if politicians know which buttons to press in order to play on people's fears.

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Originally Posted by Gwynedd Blue wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 15:03

Left of centre parties all over Europe have struggled recently - so maybe this was not the right time. But Labour lost my vote long ago, by impersonating Thatcherism.

you say we need a socialist party but the number of votes given to socialist parties in this election was tiny. The British people just don't want socialism, you need to accept that the UK is pretty centrist swinging a little to the right or left every so often

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Originally Posted by steve davies wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 13:38

At last there will be a return to good old fashioned Socialism.

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Originally Posted by Mick the Miller wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 05:56

Labour have got a kick in the arse for deserting it . The Libs got what they really deserved for lying in filth . The SNP have shown the waybskick Tory scum out of their country.

There does that make it easier for you understand rather than irony?

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Originally Posted by Mick the Miller wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 16:07

At last there will be a return to good old fashioned Socialism.

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Originally Posted by steve davies wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 13:38

Labour have got a kick in the arse for deserting it . The Libs got what they really deserved for lying in filth . The SNP have shown the waybskick Tory scum out of their country.

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Originally Posted by Mick the Miller wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 05:56

The downside is, we will have shit to put up with for a few more years , however it will be a price worth paying to re establish true Socialist ideals after the next election. Though rebuilding the NHS will be costly. As will also be the cost of repairing the Social fabric of this country.

there were several socialist parties standing in this election. if you look at the number of votes they secured you will see that the UK electorate doesn't fancy socialism. why not just accept its an outdated ideology in the same way the UK no longer has capitalists controlling its resources. society has evolved

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Originally Posted by The Local Boy wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 16:15

At last there will be a return to good old fashioned Socialism.

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Originally Posted by MDocialler wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 16:07

Labour have got a kick in the arse for deserting it . The Libs got what they really deserved for lying in filth . The SNP have shown the waybskick Tory scum out of their country.

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Originally Posted by steve davies wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 13:38

The downside is, we will have shit to put up with for a few more years , however it will be a price worth paying to re establish true Socialist ideals after the next election. Though rebuilding the NHS will be costly. As will also be the cost of repairing the Social fabric of this country.

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Originally Posted by Mick the Miller wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 05:56

But the richer citizens can pay for that. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif

A country in turmoil will always look for a change for the better and fairer kinder way of treating people. It is called caring.

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Originally Posted by Gwynedd Blue wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 15:03

I have to say that it was really disappointing to see so many people vote Tory and UKIP. I can't believe that there are 11 Tory MPs in Wales - didn't we wipe them out at one time?

http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/sherlock.gif

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Originally Posted by Mick the Miller wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 05:56

At last there will be a return to good old fashioned Socialism.

Whatever. Shit result and depressing day.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 14:18

At last there will be a return to good old fashioned Socialism.

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Originally Posted by Mick the Miller wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 05:56

Labour have got a kick in the arse for deserting it . The Libs got what they really deserved for lying in filth . The SNP have shown the way to kick Tory scum out of their country.

or poor.

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Originally Posted by Mick the Miller wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 16:23

At last there will be a return to good old fashioned Socialism.

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Originally Posted by The Local Boy wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 16:15

Labour have got a kick in the arse for deserting it . The Libs got what they really deserved for lying in filth . The SNP have shown the waybskick Tory scum out of their country.

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Originally Posted by MDocialler wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 16:07

The downside is, we will have shit to put up with for a few more years , however it will be a price worth paying to re establish true Socialist ideals after the next election. Though rebuilding the NHS will be costly. As will also be the cost of repairing the Social fabric of this country.

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Originally Posted by steve davies wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 13:38

But the richer citizens can pay for that. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif

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Originally Posted by Mick the Miller wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 05:56

so the SNP have shown the way to kick the tory scum out of scotland by taking 40 labour seats http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/homer.gif

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Originally Posted by The Local Boy wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 15:24

I have to say that it was really disappointing to see so many people vote Tory and UKIP. I can't believe that there are 11 Tory MPs in Wales - didn't we wipe them out at one time?

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Originally Posted by Gwynedd Blue wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 15:16

I suppose that at times of austerity people, generally, tend to want to stick with what they have got - rather than trying something different - especially if politicians know which buttons to press in order to play on people's fears.

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Originally Posted by Ragnar Lothbrok wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 15:05

Left of centre parties all over Europe have struggled recently - so maybe this was not the right time. But Labour lost my vote long ago, by impersonating Thatcherism.

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Originally Posted by Gwynedd Blue wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 15:03

Time moves on. Breaking the Labour habit is the best possible thing that can happen to Wales.

I know you hate this but if you are going to continually tell us Labour are socialist you cannot claim a party that are well left of Labour are not

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Originally Posted by archibald leitch wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 17:30

I have to say that it was really disappointing to see so many people vote Tory and UKIP. I can't believe that there are 11 Tory MPs in Wales - didn't we wipe them out at one time?

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Originally Posted by The Local Boy wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 15:24

I suppose that at times of austerity people, generally, tend to want to stick with what they have got - rather than trying something different - especially if politicians know which buttons to press in order to play on people's fears.

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Originally Posted by Gwynedd Blue wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 15:16

Left of centre parties all over Europe have struggled recently - so maybe this was not the right time. But Labour lost my vote long ago, by impersonating Thatcherism.

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Originally Posted by Ragnar Lothbrok wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 15:05

Time moves on. Breaking the Labour habit is the best possible thing that can happen to Wales.

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Originally Posted by Gwynedd Blue wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 15:03

But if you're not a Tory, and you want to take a parliamentary route to change then I'm not sure who could provide a viable alternative at this time. Plaid and the Greens don't appear to have enough support.

When have I claimed in a serious discussion that Labour are socialist? They are just left of centre.

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Originally Posted by Mick the Miller wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 16:23

At last there will be a return to good old fashioned Socialism.

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Originally Posted by The Local Boy wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 16:15

Labour have got a kick in the arse for deserting it . The Libs got what they really deserved for lying in filth . The SNP have shown the waybskick Tory scum out of their country.

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Originally Posted by MDocialler wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 16:07

The downside is, we will have shit to put up with for a few more years , however it will be a price worth paying to re establish true Socialist ideals after the next election. Though rebuilding the NHS will be costly. As will also be the cost of repairing the Social fabric of this country.

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Originally Posted by steve davies wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 13:38

But the richer citizens can pay for that. http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/thumbup.gif

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Originally Posted by Mick the Miller wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 05:56

so the SNP have shown the way to kick the tory scum out of scotland by taking 40 labour seats http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/homer.gif

http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/rolleyes.gif

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Originally Posted by goslow wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 16:32

At last there will be a return to good old fashioned Socialism.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 14:18

Labour have got a kick in the arse for deserting it . The Libs got what they really deserved for lying in filth . The SNP have shown the way to kick Tory scum out of their country.

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Originally Posted by Mick the Miller wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 05:56

The downside is, we will have shit to put up with for a few more years , however it will be a price worth paying to re establish true Socialist ideals after the next election. Though rebuilding the NHS will be costly. As will also be the cost of repairing the Social fabric of this country.

http://www.ccmb.co.uk/images/smiley_icons/hehe.gif

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The SNP have a very credible leader who sadly won't be gracing the opposition benches in Westminster, they've been consistent in their message.
Labour on the other hand are a total mess. Diet-Tories most of them, I was gobsmacked to learn they had supported the Tory welfare cap. If the likes of Mick and his ilk (sorry, couldn't resist) not voting for them isn't a wake up call, I don't know what is

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Labour needs to become a Party that will fight for Wales and not a Party that is there to make up the numbers so that they can rule in Westminster. Unless that happens and Labour continues to take Welsh voters for granted there is a danger that the Party will go the same way as in Scotland. But the last thing Labour needs is a lurch to the left; that will make the Party even more unelectable than it is at present.

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Originally Posted by jon1959 wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 16:29

At last there will be a return to good old fashioned Socialism.

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Originally Posted by Mick the Miller wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 05:56

Labour have got a kick in the arse for deserting it . The Libs got what they really deserved for lying in filth . The SNP have shown the way to kick Tory scum out of their country.

In betraying their principles - as they have done over the years - they are destroying themselves. Yet they feel that unless they move to the right, they will not get elected. I would have had much more respect for Labour if they had kept clause 4. Far from being an old fashioned document, it was a radical and forward looking one (cue for a debate).

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http://www.labourcounts.com/oldclausefour.htm

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Originally Posted by Gwynedd Blue wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 17:51

At last there will be a return to good old fashioned Socialism.

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Originally Posted by jon1959 wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 16:29

Labour have got a kick in the arse for deserting it . The Libs got what they really deserved for lying in filth . The SNP have shown the way to kick Tory scum out of their country.

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Originally Posted by Mick the Miller wrote on Fri, 08 May 2015 05:56

The downside is, we will have shit to put up with for a few more years , however it will be a price worth paying to re establish true Socialist ideals after the next election. Though rebuilding the NHS will be costly. As will also be the cost of repairing the Social fabric of this country.

At the end of the day though, "the people" have spoken, democratically. You may not like it, but it is what it is.