Sabri Lamouchi after defeat at Hull

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

You don't know if they did either do you.

He was available for loan in January and ended up at Luton.

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Luton are 4th and had a manager
Cardiff are 21st and didn’t have a manager

Tough call for Drameh

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Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa

Luton are 4th and had a manager
Cardiff are 21st and didn’t have a manager

Tough call for Drameh

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That's fine. The manager doesn't make signings or pick the players we go after. Kaba being the latest example of that.

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

You don't know if they did either do you.

He was available for loan in January and ended up at Luton.

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I don't know if the club tried to bring Drameh back on loan at any stage, but I'm 100% certain Leeds were not prepared to let him go in August. He was in their Premier League match day squads throughout August and September. As for January, you stated the club made no attempt to bring him back as if that's a fact, but you don't know it to be so. You're just assuming that's the case because it suits your anti-club narrative.

Dramah ended up at Luton on 26/01 when City didn't even have a manager. Under the circumstances, it's no surprise he didn't come back here, but was instead sent to a team challenging for the Championship play-offs.

There are many justifiable sticks you can use to beat the club with, but failing to try to re-sign Drameh is not one of them. That said, you were grizzling about the club not bringing Kieffer Moore back on loan the other day, so it seems your grip on reality is slipping.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I don't know if the club tried to bring Drameh back on loan at any stage, but I'm 100% certain Leeds were not prepared to let him go in August. He was in their Premier League match day squads throughout August and September. As for January, you stated the club made no attempt to bring him back as if that's a fact, but you don't know it to be so. You're just assuming that's the case because it suits your anti-club narrative.

Dramah ended up at Luton on 26/01 when City didn't even have a manager. Under the circumstances, it's no surprise he didn't come back here, but was instead sent to a team challenging for the Championship play-offs.

There are many justifiable sticks you can use to beat the club with, but failing to try to re-sign Drameh is not one of them. That said, you were grizzling about the club not bringing Kieffer Moore back on loan the other day, so it seems your grip on reality is slipping.

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What I said was if I was the club I'd approach Bournemouth.
Nobody was grizzling or saying it was likely Moore would come here.

So during this season, by your admission, Drameh was available. I don't believe we tried to get him, you have no proof either way. As much as you rate your own opinion.

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

So during this season, by your admission, Drameh was available. I don't believe we tried to get him, you have no proof either way. As much as you rate your own opinion.

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And you have no proof the club didn't try to get him. Therefore, when you stated: "Flip side of that coin was Drameh. He won player of the year and the club made no attempt to get him back," you were making things up to suit your own narrative.

You'd be far better off just sticking to the facts. They're damning enough as it is.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

And you have no proof the club didn't try to get him. Therefore, when you stated: "Flip side of that coin was Drameh. He won player of the year and the club made no attempt to get him back," you were making things up to suit your own narrative.

You'd be far better off just sticking to the facts. They're damning enough as it is.

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Alright Dave.

If we're sticking to the facts neither of us have proof if we went for him or not do we. He was available and City didn't bring him back. That's about it.

Get a room you pair ffs.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

For me ....

Alsopp (Maybe Alnwick, not fussed)
NG
Kipre
McG
Bagan
Ralls
Rinhomota
O'Dowda
Etete
Robinson
Davies

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No Sory Kaba?

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Originally Posted by splott parker

No Sory Kaba?

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I'd have Kaba instead of Etete there too.

Did Leeds want a loan fee for Drameh? I’ve seen it reported that we can’t pay loan fees for players under the terms of our embargo. What would be good is the club letting supporters know what we can and can’t do now under the embargo - if we knew that, we may learn that it was harder for us to make signings last month than the club’s fans thought it was.

As it is, we know that the club paid around £7 million to Nantes last month with the presumption being that we did so to bring new players in because at least part of our embargo had been lifted. In the event, we made one what looks to be desperate signing. Given what we’ve seen from the club for much of the Tan years, I’ve become so cynical now that I wouldn’t put it past the club not reading the fine print so to speak and believing that their payment would lift the embargo completely - some sort of clarification from the club would, hopefully, prove me wrong in that opinion.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

No Sory Kaba?

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Yes maybe a toss up with Etete but definitely one on the bench. I was impressed with Etete when he came on yesterday.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Did Leeds want a loan fee for Drameh? I’ve seen it reported that we can’t pay loan fees for players under the terms of our embargo. What would be good is the club letting supporters know what we can and can’t do now under the embargo - if we knew that, we may learn that it was harder for us to make signings last month than the club’s fans thought it was.

As it is, we know that the club paid around £7 million to Nantes last month with the presumption being that we did so to bring new players in because at least part of our embargo had been lifted. In the event, we made one what looks to be desperate signing. Given what we’ve seen from the club for much of the Tan years, I’ve become so cynical now that I wouldn’t put it past the club not reading the fine print so to speak and believing that their payment would lift the embargo completely - some sort of clarification from the club would, hopefully, prove me wrong in that opinion.

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Added to the fact that part of that £7mill payment was unnecessary extra interest charges. Has Tan got money to burn?

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Originally Posted by blue lewj

Alright Dave. If we're sticking to the facts neither of us have proof if we went for him or not do we. He was available and City didn't bring him back. That's about it.

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You’re right, Colin. We don’t have any proof either way. Considering Morison and his recruitment team were obviously fans of Drameh, I’d say it’s far more likely that the club couldn’t bring him back rather than they didn’t try, but we may never care.

What is far more of a concern, and what was the original point of the discussion, is that someone at the club thought Ojo was worthy of a two-year contract based on his efforts here in 2020/21.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Did Leeds want a loan fee for Drameh? I’ve seen it reported that we can’t pay loan fees for players under the terms of our embargo. What would be good is the club letting supporters know what we can and can’t do now under the embargo - if we knew that, we may learn that it was harder for us to make signings last month than the club’s fans thought it was.

As it is, we know that the club paid around £7 million to Nantes last month with the presumption being that we did so to bring new players in because at least part of our embargo had been lifted. In the event, we made one what looks to be desperate signing. Given what we’ve seen from the club for much of the Tan years, I’ve become so cynical now that I wouldn’t put it past the club not reading the fine print so to speak and believing that their payment would lift the embargo completely - some sort of clarification from the club would, hopefully, prove me wrong in that opinion.

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I s’pose it’s the one thing we can’t criticise the board for. They have no clue what’s going on in the football world or how the whole system works and seem to have no interest in learning, so they say bugger all. I never make comments or statements regarding heart surgery or astro physics for the same reason.

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

You’re right, Colin. We don’t have any proof either way. Considering Morison and his recruitment team were obviously fans of Drameh, I’d say it’s far more likely that the club couldn’t bring him back rather than they didn’t try, but we may never care.

What is far more of a concern, and what was the original point of the discussion, is that someone at the club thought Ojo was worthy of a two-year contract based on his efforts here in 2020/21.

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Who was the other player who came to us with ojo, first time round, wasn't he a striker? I can recall him being decent enough, or am i way off the mark?

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Originally Posted by splott parker

I s’pose it’s the one thing we can’t criticise the board for. They have no clue what’s going on in the football world or how the whole system works and seem to have no interest in learning, so they say bugger all. I never make comments or statements regarding heart surgery or astro physics for the same reason.

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:hehe:

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Who was the other player who came to us with ojo, first time round, wasn't he a striker? I can recall him being decent enough, or am i way off the mark?

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Literally no idea who you're referring to. The strikers signed in 2020/21 were Moore and Watters. You can't be thinking of either of them.

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Who was the other player who came to us with ojo, first time round, wasn't he a striker? I can recall him being decent enough, or am i way off the mark?

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Harry Wilson? Keiffer Moore? The only other signings we made that summer I can remember were Osei Tutu and that centreback Benkovik.

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Originally Posted by splott parker

I s’pose it’s the one thing we can’t criticise the board for. They have no clue what’s going on in the football world or how the whole system works and seem to have no interest in learning, so they say bugger all. I never make comments or statements regarding heart surgery or astro physics for the same reason.

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:hehe:

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Harry Wilson? Keiffer Moore? The only other signings we made that summer I can remember were Osei Tutu and that centreback Benkovik.

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That's the one, Tutu. was he any good or am i having a cardiff city fan 'Revisionist' moment?

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

That's the one, Tutu. was he any good or am i having a cardiff city fan 'Revisionist' moment?

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He started well, but had a lot of injury problems and only played about fifteen times for us all season - he’s a full back mind and he was well worth his place in the team when fit. He signed for Bochum after being released by Arsenal.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

He started well, but had a lot of injury problems and only played about fifteen times for us all season - he’s a full back mind and he was well worth his place in the team when fit. He signed for Bochum after being released by Arsenal.

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A fullback? Scrap everything i ever say, i've not got a clue! He was decent enough though, from what i remember.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I disagree about Wintle. He’s been playing for us for just over a year after returning from Blackpool and he’s been good for all of that time apart from the last six weeks or so where, like three or four others, his standards have dropped.

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I can't understand the dislike of Wintle. He is the only midfielder who knows what is around him before he gets the ball and releases it accordingly.

But trying to play football in our midfield has probably exhausted him. I respect Tuerto's views, but I think Wintle can be a valuable player for us during the rest of the season.

:ayatollah:

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Originally Posted by rich munn

I can't understand the dislike of Wintle. He is the only midfielder who knows what is around him before he gets the ball and releases it accordingly.

But trying to play football in our midfield has probably exhausted him. I respect Tuerto's views, but I think Wintle can be a valuable player for us during the rest of the season.

:ayatollah:

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He's not been great the last few games, but who has?
I still think Wintle's one of the better midfielders we've got personally.

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Originally Posted by rich munn

I can't understand the dislike of Wintle. He is the only midfielder who knows what is around him before he gets the ball and releases it accordingly.

But trying to play football in our midfield has probably exhausted him. I respect Tuerto's views, but I think Wintle can be a valuable player for us during the rest of the season.

:ayatollah:

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Wintle has been as poor as anyone recently, but he was better and more consistent for most of the season. He doesn't have to do anything too flashy, just sit and distribute. He was always comfortable with a football at his feet - didn't treat it like a bomb about to go off. Something to do with his upbringing at Crewe?

Over the summer I thought Eli King was being developed as Wintle's understudy. He is obviously way behind on experience, but after a fairly good loan spell, maybe he will get a chance if Wintle is still out of form?