Starmer Seems More Relaxed

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Timpsons have been employing ex offenders for over 20 years.

Over 10% of their workforce are ex offenders.

You are really getting your knickers in a twist over something that has happened - and worked well - under Blair, Brown, Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak.

Very odd.

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I agree. Timpsons have a fantastic policy on this.

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Originally Posted by jon1959

Timpsons have been employing ex offenders for over 20 years.

Over 10% of their workforce are ex offenders.

You are really getting your knickers in a twist over something that has happened - and worked well - under Blair, Brown, Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak.

Very odd.

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I knew that I was having a bit of fun, it's a nice little story but he's employed 600 in 20 years, there were more than 45,500 prisoners released last year so 30 per year he employs 0.065 of them, so you could say he's getting the best of the best.

He is now prisons minister and is talking about a third that shouldn't be in prison. Talk of a third of prisoners that could potentially leave prison and linking it with his company's success in employing less than one-tenth of one percent is ridiculous!

He's a concern and one to watch as is Angela Rayner and housing and planning lets see what they do in twelve months!

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Originally Posted by Alfresco

We can look forward to 6500 teachers hundreds of specialised border controllers and the NHS sorted. All that with the Chancellor saying we haven't got a pot to pith in.

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No more state pension for those with adequate private pensions, and food vouchers in lieu of state benefits for everybody else. No more beer and takeaway curry while watching Netflix or Sky Sports!

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

No more state pension for those with adequate private pensions, and food vouchers in lieu of state benefits for everybody else. No more beer and takeaway curry while watching Netflix or Sky Sports!

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Bit harsh on the oldies, I’d go after the work shy, some 2 million able to work but don’t. Get them building a new m4 like the chain gangs used to, that should liven the lazy twats up a bit…..

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Originally Posted by goats

Bit harsh on the oldies, I’d go after the work shy, some 2 million able to work but don’t. Get them building a new m4 like the chain gangs used to, that should liven the lazy twats up a bit…..

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I heard it's all on the table under Net Zero to reduce consumption. Ye canny spend what you haven't got.

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Originally Posted by Wales-Bales

No more state pension for those with adequate private pensions, and food vouchers in lieu of state benefits for everybody else. No more beer and takeaway curry while watching Netflix or Sky Sports!

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Brilliant idea, let's hope it happens and divert the dosh to those who need it most. I didn't vote for Starmer and it's early days yet but so far he and his team look light years away more credible and professional than the charlatans he succeeded. Green shoots of hope and all that.

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Originally Posted by Alfresco

We can look forward to 6500 teachers hundreds of specialised border controllers and the NHS sorted. All that with the Chancellor saying we haven't got a pot to pith in.

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They just found 3 billion down the back of the sofa.

Maybe it was here or somewhere else but no one ever thought to ask starmer ok you won’t put up income tax and NI, what new taxes are you going to introduce?
Seems to already be accepted that capital gains, stamp duty going up.

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Originally Posted by pipster

Maybe it was here or somewhere else but no one ever thought to ask starmer ok you won’t put up income tax and NI, what new taxes are you going to introduce?
Seems to already be accepted that capital gains, stamp duty going up.

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Capital gains should be a pretty simple mission, encourage the average person to save/invest by raising the threshold, match the bandings to income tax unless you for some reason want rich people who don't contribute anything other than capital to get richer at the expense of poorer people who have to actually work. The Tories did the opposite as far as I can remember.

Stamp duty, god knows, I would leave it alone because I don't really understand the purpose of it and try and actually fix the housing crisis by building houses for once.

It’s social housing we desperately need. Just building private housing isn’t the answer. A mass Social Housing initiative to reverse the sale of Council Housing during the 80s. Nobody’s addressed this. It needs to be massive, UK wide, and legislation brought in that it is illegal to sell social houses. They are built to be recycled.

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

It’s social housing we desperately need. Just building private housing isn’t the answer. A mass Social Housing initiative to reverse the sale of Council Housing during the 80s. Nobody’s addressed this. It needs to be massive, UK wide, and legislation brought in that it is illegal to sell social houses. They are built to be recycled.

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:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

It’s social housing we desperately need. Just building private housing isn’t the answer. A mass Social Housing initiative to reverse the sale of Council Housing during the 80s. Nobody’s addressed this. It needs to be massive, UK wide, and legislation brought in that it is illegal to sell social houses. They are built to be recycled.

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It probably is needed but honestly any scheme that addresses the root problem and gets off the ground will be something.

Mass expansion of first homes scheme would be welcome. Buy your home at a large discount, discount passed on when you sell, priority given to people with local ties. We need to get away from houses being an asset and should punitively tax anybody who tries to exploit it, housing needs to be for people not profit.

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

It’s social housing we desperately need. Just building private housing isn’t the answer. A mass Social Housing initiative to reverse the sale of Council Housing during the 80s. Nobody’s addressed this. It needs to be massive, UK wide, and legislation brought in that it is illegal to sell social houses. They are built to be recycled.

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That solution is so obvious that nobody would fall for it.

A bit too relaxed for my liking, thinking Biden is compos mentis and releasing jail birds early. What ever next

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

It probably is needed but honestly any scheme that addresses the root problem and gets off the ground will be something.

Mass expansion of first homes scheme would be welcome. Buy your home at a large discount, discount passed on when you sell, priority given to people with local ties. We need to get away from houses being an asset and should punitively tax anybody who tries to exploit it, housing needs to be for people not profit.

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Mixed tenure with emphasis on social housing

And absolutely ensuring that people pleading housing need and awarded social housing are not able to buy the bloody place a few years later

That makes my blood boil

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Originally Posted by Alfresco

A bit too relaxed for my liking, thinking Biden is compos mentis and releasing jail birds early. What ever next

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Well the tory government are the ones who have increased prison sentences and stuffed the jails to breaking point without increasing spaces

We either let low level offenders out under restriction or things get worse and worse

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

It’s social housing we desperately need. Just building private housing isn’t the answer. A mass Social Housing initiative to reverse the sale of Council Housing during the 80s. Nobody’s addressed this. It needs to be massive, UK wide, and legislation brought in that it is illegal to sell social houses. They are built to be recycled.

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The money isn't there for central government to do this

Higher taxes would enable that but most of the country are fooled by low taxation

The best at present is high levels of private housing with 25 percent social housing agreement

Jon ?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

The money isn't there for central government to do this

Higher taxes would enable that but most of the country are fooled by low taxation

The best at present is high levels of private housing with 25 percent social housing agreement

Jon ?

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That’s not good enough. It’s constantly kicking the can down the road. We need 75% Social Housing….and we need to increase taxes.

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

That’s not good enough. It’s constantly kicking the can down the road. We need 75% Social Housing….and we need to increase taxes.

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I agree with you totally

But the crap thrown at labour from the tory election machine regarding tax rises showed what people think of investment in housing , nhs , social services

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I agree with you totally

But the crap thrown at labour from the tory election machine regarding tax rises showed what people think of investment in housing , nhs , social services

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Labour spent months and months criticising the "Tory Tax Burden". That's the problem, they criticised everything and it will be very difficult for them to change anything without at least being hypocrites about it.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Labour spent months and months criticising the "Tory Tax Burden". That's the problem, they criticised everything and it will be very difficult for them to change anything without at least being hypocrites about it.

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Well they have to criticise, they are in opposition

But now in government I would give it a few years then tell it as it is and spend

It might lead to the usual tory moans but with the majority labour have I say go for it

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Labour spent months and months criticising the "Tory Tax Burden". That's the problem, they criticised everything and it will be very difficult for them to change anything without at least being hypocrites about it.

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That’s not true. It’ll be easy. The Tories constantly shifted the goal posts for 14 years. They were masters at changing the narrative and did so along with Prime Ministers. They sold the lie in 2010 that there was no money. At least this time if Labour turn round and state that Social Care, the NHS, housing, education and prisons are much worse than they could have possibly imagined then it’ll be true.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Well they have to criticise, they are in opposition

But now in government I would give it a few years then tell it as it is and spend

It might lead to the usual tory moans but with the majority labour have I say go for it

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Agreed 👍

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Originally Posted by Citizen's Nephew

Agreed 👍

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They don't have to criticise. If they think taxes should be higher to pay for public services they can say that.

Probably would have cost a few votes but perhaps it would have been more honest

This is the problem that I have been quite consistent in saying: I can see many of the things Labour criticised the Tories for being replicated under them.

Now the boot is on the other foot Paul, you have no answers and the ones you do have don’t hold up

Enjoy the next 5 years you are going to get a leathering, something I suspect you enjoy as DS would elude to