Farmers are revolting

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Yeah but it's been a loophole for tossers like Clarkson to abuse for years. When you change a tax, there will always be some people who feel a bit hard done by.

I think all this really highlights if another delusion within the British public. If so many farmers are legitimately barely scraping by then a) we don't actually have 'food security' and consumers need to pay more and b) a hefty proportion of the next generation that inherit the the farms will just sell them anyway, why wouldn't you if you are sitting on an asset worth millions that you can only earning 20k a year from. Now, there will be farmers struggling but my guess is a lot are actually making a decent margin and can afford it.

It feels like every story about removal of exemptions and benefits (vat on private schools, farmers iht, wfa) only focuses on the few who will be hit a bit by it and not the many who can actually afford it.

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I think a better way to close the loophole is to tax any profits if it's removed from agricultural use.

Punishing passing farms on to children seems a bad and unfair idea. I can see why they are pissed off.

Strikes me as another own goal by the govt too.

All else aside I'm not sure if Clarkson, as someone who's said that he bought a farm to avoid inheritance tax, being the face of the protests is the best idea for them. Sure fire way to lose sympathy

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Originally Posted by delmbox

All else aside I'm not sure if Clarkson, as someone who's said that he bought a farm to avoid inheritance tax, being the face of the protests is the best idea for them. Sure fire way to lose sympathy

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Yeah I think whilst they can help in giving support, they are never the best figureheads.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Fair play there are some right ***** on here , but you’re the biggest of them all full of hate and jealousy, all in the knowledge that you’re spouting nonsense behind the safety of your keyboard.

As someone else pointed out PM me some details to see if we have things in common on social media as you sound delusional and deranged , and I’m sure you’re not?

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Fair play you're a lunatic and the biggest twat on here. Go and **** yourself

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Originally Posted by Heathblue

Sometimes its Pensioners but that's O.K isn't it ?

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That is not the topic.

farms should be sold off after the farmer dies , tax the rich, yes i have shares in blackrock

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

Fair play there are some right ***** on here , but you’re the biggest of them all full of hate and jealousy, all in the knowledge that you’re spouting nonsense behind the safety of your keyboard.

As someone else pointed out PM me some details to see if we have things in common on social media as you sound delusional and deranged , and I’m sure you’re not?

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What details do I need to pm a thick twat like you which I can't post direct on here? Listen we all know you're right up your arse but I'm not interested in engaging with a moron like you, get it? Bollocks to your abuse. The more you don't like about me the more I like it. You're an utter abomination and you want to be careful who you are threatening. You mind we'll end up getting your silly head kicked in.

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Originally Posted by + the native hipster

farms should be sold off after the farmer dies , tax the rich, yes i have shares in blackrock

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I got shares in Blackpool Rock too, and Barry rock.

Calm down you silly buggers!

Right that's enough wasted time on the farmers

Rugger buggers and tory voters

Next

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Right that's enough wasted time on the farmers

Rugger buggers and tory voters

Next

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have we done racist dog owners?

The land grab continues
Champaign socialists cheering on farmers who will have to sell land to the corporations, way to go chaps 😁👍

Yesterday's poll tax rioters replaced by todays state controlled cucks.

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Originally Posted by + the native hipster

have we done racist dog owners?

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How do you tell if a dog is racist?

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I think a better way to close the loophole is to tax any profits if it's removed from agricultural use.

Punishing passing farms on to children seems a bad and unfair idea. I can see why they are pissed off.

Strikes me as another own goal by the govt too.

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:thumbup: what he said.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

How do you tell if a dog is racist?

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Obligatory Bulldog named Winston,
the owner will have,
EDL tattoos,
Snide designer clothing,
Goes by the name of Tommee, Combo or Nigel?

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Originally Posted by delmbox

All else aside I'm not sure if Clarkson, as someone who's said that he bought a farm to avoid inheritance tax, being the face of the protests is the best idea for them. Sure fire way to lose sympathy

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Would be nice to think so. Unfortunately all he had to do was talk about 'BBC bias' and a load of dozy tossers lapped it up

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

Fair play you're a lunatic and the biggest twat on here. Go and **** yourself

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As I say dont be childish and hurl anonymous insults, use the PM facility …….or STFU, it’s that simple

You on facebook bro let’s have a gander and see how you rock up in the real world compared to me, let’s see if you really are a little melt.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

What details do I need to pm a thick twat like you which I can't post direct on here? Listen we all know you're right up your arse but I'm not interested in engaging with a moron like you, get it? Bollocks to your abuse. The more you don't like about me the more I like it. You're an utter abomination and you want to be careful who you are threatening. You mind we'll end up getting your silly head kicked in.

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Silly head kicked in, you sure about that :hehe: ( and be careful who you’re threatening)

You jealous little man

Looks like you can give it out , but can’t take it- keyboard warrior or parody account

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

Obligatory Bulldog named Winston,
the owner will have,
EDL tattoos,
Snide designer clothing,
Goes by the name of Tommee, Combo or Nigel?

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:hehe:

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Originally Posted by chrisp_1927

Would be nice to think so. Unfortunately all he had to do was talk about 'BBC bias' and a load of dozy tossers lapped it up

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That Newsnight reporter put his arse in a toaster

He looked like a right arsehole with too much cash

Which is exactly what he is

Bought a farm .....so he could charge toffs to shoot pheasants

That ladies and gentleman is your tory tosser and exactly the kind of selfish git that needs to be clobbered by I Tax

Which most of the wealthy farmers have avoided since 1984

And they want sympathy 🤣

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Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Why wouldn't a tax on excessive profits affect wages/employees or consumers if employer NI does? It's just the cost of doing business going up and the majority would either find a way to avoid it or do exactly as they say they will do with the NI rise and kick employees or the consumer. They can't avoid employer NI so they are kicking off.

If you believe tesco, the world is going to end. How has a large supermarket been able to absorb 10% rises in the min wage but not a small rise in employer NI?

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It is an interesting argument, and probably works for Tesco, but there are all sorts of employers who will have an increased NI contribution to make who do not make big profits, excess profits or any profits at all: local authorities, charities, Housing Associations, small businesses screwed by Brexit..... In all these cases the employers NI increase could lead to reduced employee numbers, pressure on wages and increased prices or charges/fees to the public. That does not mean the change is indefensible, but it is a different set of consequences (and easier to do) than from targeting profits (especially what most people would regard as excess profits).

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

That Newsnight reporter put his arse in a toaster

He looked like a right arsehole with too much cash

Which is exactly what he is

Bought a farm .....so he could charge toffs to shoot pheasants

That ladies and gentleman is your tory tosser and exactly the kind of selfish git that needs to be clobbered by I Tax

Which most of the wealthy farmers have avoided since 1984

And they want sympathy ��

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It’s not just a simple as that though is it …. Still it’s going to be great though going forward with higher prices and the impact on the environment with imported product's. Makes another great reason to question the validity of the climate agenda.

Have you seen what they are trying to do with Indian farmers , they are hardly toffs are they !

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Originally Posted by goats

Really? Most farms worth over a million ? If they pass them on to carry on farming there is no way they should be taxed on it, Christ we barely make anything here anymore and soon we might be importing milk ! We need farms

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most farms are worth over £1m, with agricultural land having values from £20k per acre upwards, if you have a 50 acre farm its worth more than £1m.

Now the issue is having to sell off part of the farm to pay IHT, as this creates a situation whereby the large corporate farms that aren't caught by IHT are buying up lots of land in a firesale, whereas the smaller family owned farms are going to be eroded into smaller and smaller parcels over time.

not a good policy at all, and there were better ways to target the large corporate farms

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Originally Posted by jon1959

I'm not that bothered either way with the inheritance tax changes - although I can see the sense in the Will Hutton argument, and the 70,000+ farms affected figure thrown about by the NFU, the Tories, the Lib Dems and the Tory press is deliberately misleading.

But I agree with you on your main point (wow!). I think the Budget focus should have been on taxing profits - especially excess profits - and not some of the other measures that are bound to wash through to jobs, wages and prices (employer NI etc).

The Starmer government is a typical centrist western Neo Liberal government of the past quarter century and seems happy to look on as a massive wealth transfer takes place from the poor (and some not so poor) to the mega rich. Despite the shallow roots, Starmer's huge majority was an opportunity to introduce radical game-changing policies and Starmer/Reeves opted for status quo fiddling in the budget. The needle nudged slightly on the side of progressive/redistributive but only slightly.

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this

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

The fact is that food exports are growing pretty well and we were told the opposite would happen.

I'm sure there are a gr at diversity of opinions on it, but it's pretty clear that none of it drove them to protest unlike what's happening today, and also as has been happening all year across the EU. Indeed one can speculate that the farmers here would have been protesting had we not left?!

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The UK imports anything between 40-50% of the food its consumes.