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14-03-25, 16:09
Rjk

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

You can, just as you can criticise anyone in any sphere of employment who applies for a job they're obviously not qualified to do. The problem is, for reasons best known to himself, Omer Riza genuinely seemed to believe he was the right man for this role. Was he delusional? Almost certainly in my opinion, but whatever he was thinking there's absolutely no way he should be given a free pass. It's a mess and he's a big part of it.

Since he took over we've gained more points than Hull, Swansea, Stoke, Oxford, Luton, Derby or Plymouth - so do we have a better squad than all of those teams? or are their managers all delusional as well?
14-03-25, 16:12
North Cardiff Blue

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Originally Posted by Trigger

:hehe::hehe: As you well know, there is absolutely no hope of that.

I'm still baffled (not that I should be) that they spent months and couldn't find anyone suitable.

I really hope Riza sorts this out, at the moment my faith in him and this squad is at its lowest.

There have been at least six half decent and up Managers available shortly after sacking Bulut, and they give it to an inexperienced coach yet again, they deserve relegation to be fair.
14-03-25, 16:13
The Lone Gunman

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Originally Posted by Undercoverinwurzelland

I think you're always going to find people in any walk of life who think they're more capable than they are. It's up the people making the decisions to realise that they're not.

I agree, the owner and his board were responsible for appointing Riza. They must therefore carry a large degree of the blame for the current situation. But I don't hold with the notion that 'ambitious' people who are given jobs they are not qualified to do are somehow blameless.

Riza was practically begging for this role and seemed utterly convinced he was the right man for the job. He could have taken the position on an interim basis and told his employers that he wasn't ready for the job to be made permanent, but he did the opposite. Indeed, he publicly suggested he should have been made manager of Watford after he'd been sacked there last season.

There will be a distinct irony if City lose tomorrow and Riza gets the boot after a defeat to a team managed by the guy he was second in command to at Watford, but I reckon the club will stick with him whatever happens this weekend.
14-03-25, 16:15
The Lone Gunman

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Since he took over we've gained more points than Hull, Swansea, Stoke, Oxford, Luton, Derby or Plymouth - so do we have a better squad than all of those teams? or are their managers all delusional as well?

Remind me, how many of those clubs have changed their managers since Riza was appointed here?
14-03-25, 16:16
North Cardiff Blue

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Since he took over we've gained more points than Hull, Swansea, Stoke, Oxford, Luton, Derby or Plymouth - so do we have a better squad than all of those teams? or are their managers all delusional as well?

That would be ignoring games against three of the top four in those first batch of six add another five or six losses to his total where would he be then?
14-03-25, 17:03
Tuerto

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Since he took over we've gained more points than Hull, Swansea, Stoke, Oxford, Luton, Derby or Plymouth - so do we have a better squad than all of those teams? or are their managers all delusional as well?

Why are those clubs your benchmark? Can't we aim a little higher?
14-03-25, 17:18
Rjk

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Why are those clubs your benchmark? Can't we aim a little higher?

of course we can, I'd love to see us at the top of the table, but just providing a bit of context about how we've actually performed under Riza.
Since he took over we're 17th in this division, yet people say he's completely clueless, delusional that he thought he could ever do this job - surely 17th is at least doing the job- it's nothing to shout from the rooftops about but its something. Just before the Leeds game we had a positive goal difference I think.
Most of the same people say we have a terrible squad at this level - if its really terrible then does Riza get credit for picking up the 17th most points since he took over? Or should we be top half based on squad ability and Riza is dragging us down?

He's made plenty of mistakes, and made some frustrating substitutions. There have been positives also.
Whenever we've had an experienced manager there are always things that are annoying about the way they manage as well.

If we lose the next 2 and Riza is sacked then there won't be any objections from me - he had a great opportunity and wasn't able to take it.
If we stay up and Tan decides to get another manager in the summer then I won't shed any tears either.

However I don't agree with this notion that all we needed was an experienced manager then we'd be fine - we could very easily be just as shit with an experienced manager as with a new one. All those managers have been sacked for being shit previously too, some of them several times.
14-03-25, 17:24
Tuerto

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Originally Posted by Rjk

of course we can, I'd love to see us at the top of the table, but just providing a bit of context about how we've actually performed under Riza.
Since he took over we're 17th in this division, yet people say he's completely clueless, delusional that he thought he could ever do this job - surely 17th is at least doing the job- it's nothing to shout from the rooftops about but its something. Just before the Leeds game we had a positive goal difference I think.
Most of the same people say we have a terrible squad at this level - if its really terrible then does Riza get credit for picking up the 17th most points since he took over? Or should we be top half based on squad ability and Riza is dragging us down?

He's made plenty of mistakes, and made some frustrating substitutions. There have been positives also.
Whenever we've had an experienced manager there are always things that are annoying about the way they manage as well.

If we lose the next 2 and Riza is sacked then there won't be any objections from me - he had a great opportunity and wasn't able to take it.
If we stay up and Tan decides to get another manager in the summer then I won't shed any tears either.

However I don't agree with this notion that all we needed was an experienced manager then we'd be fine - we could very easily be just as shit with an experienced manager as with a new one. All those managers have been sacked for being shit previously too, some of them several times.

I'm currently out walking the dogs, so I can't give your post, which is a good one in my opinion, the attention it deserves 👍 so I will reply a bit later. Although I tend to agree with you about some more experienced managers, I don't think that they are the answers to our problems on the pitch. It's more than that.
14-03-25, 18:04
Llandaff Blue

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This blokes stupid as ****, completely unprofessional to boot.

His entire career is full of nothing, part time manager at Orient years ago, managing cheshunt or whoever it was and some spells as an under 16 coach, absolute failure of a coach who’s somehow lucked his way here and will take us down to league one with his pretentious bollocks.

****ing box midfield
14-03-25, 18:13
Enoch Mort

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Originally Posted by The Lone Gunman

I agree, the owner and his board were responsible for appointing Riza. They must therefore carry a large degree of the blame for the current situation. But I don't hold with the notion that 'ambitious' people who are given jobs they are not qualified to do are somehow blameless.

I'm not entirely sure it was the Owner and the Board responsible for the appointment of Riza. We know that the owner, sadly, has absolute power. Who is on the Board ? Dalman - Bulut seems to have been his project which ended in failure and, apparently, much to Tan's annoyance , yet another pay out to a sacked manager so his input to the next appointment was probably nil. There are 2 mysterious Malaysians on the board who we never hear of and may never have actually been to a game so I doubt whether they had any input. Ken Choo - Tan's man on the ground for his businesses in UK and Belgium - I doubt if he is allowed an opinion of his own leaving Steve Borley.

IIRC there was an inordinate delay between the appointment of Riza as caretaker and the decision to appoint him to the end of the season i.e. not appoint another manager. That delay and decision can only be down to the owner. In my view it's all down to one person. All guesswork I know but IMHO it is one person who "must carry a large degree of blame for the current situation" as you put it.
14-03-25, 20:46
TheBirchgrovePub

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He’s basically patronised the fans despite the fact that the majority (for reasons I’m not sure of) seem to be behind him in the ground. Comes across desperate
14-03-25, 21:12
Jimmy the Jock

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Originally Posted by Rjk

of course we can, I'd love to see us at the top of the table, but just providing a bit of context about how we've actually performed under Riza.
Since he took over we're 17th in this division, yet people say he's completely clueless, delusional that he thought he could ever do this job - surely 17th is at least doing the job- it's nothing to shout from the rooftops about but its something. Just before the Leeds game we had a positive goal difference I think.
Most of the same people say we have a terrible squad at this level - if its really terrible then does Riza get credit for picking up the 17th most points since he took over? Or should we be top half based on squad ability and Riza is dragging us down?

He's made plenty of mistakes, and made some frustrating substitutions. There have been positives also.
Whenever we've had an experienced manager there are always things that are annoying about the way they manage as well.

If we lose the next 2 and Riza is sacked then there won't be any objections from me - he had a great opportunity and wasn't able to take it.
If we stay up and Tan decides to get another manager in the summer then I won't shed any tears either.

However I don't agree with this notion that all we needed was an experienced manager then we'd be fine - we could very easily be just as shit with an experienced manager as with a new one. All those managers have been sacked for being shit previously too, some of them several times.

Good post ( you didn't mention Rhinomhota)
Up until Tuesday I have been very supportive of Riza and enjoyed the football other than Oxford which was poor and the atmosphere was toxic.
Tuesday was disgraceful , the players were nervous , struggled to pass the ball to each other , the selection was once again higgelty piggelty , we made a terrible Luton side look reasonable in the second half . Relegation looks distinctly more possible and Riza has to take responsibility, perhaps , he realises that , hence his pathetic show in the papers this week .

I hope he pulls the rabbit out of the hat , its looking more and more unlikely unfortunately .
15-03-25, 07:51
J R Hartley

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Since he took over we've gained more points than Hull, Swansea, Stoke, Oxford, Luton, Derby or Plymouth - so do we have a better squad than all of those teams? or are their managers all delusional as well?

Every one of those clubs have replaced their manager this year and are at least trying to do something to avoid relegation. We on the other hand are sleep walking towards it because we persist with someone who is clearly out of his depth and has been for quite some time now. By the time the board finally bite the bullet it will be too late.
15-03-25, 08:24
WJ99mobile

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Originally Posted by Rjk

However I don't agree with this notion that all we needed was an experienced manager then we'd be fine - we could very easily be just as shit with an experienced manager as with a new one. All those managers have been sacked for being shit previously too, some of them several times.

Finally some sense.

These managers are often not the saviours people believe them to be.

Look at McCarthy. He set us backwards.
15-03-25, 08:29
A Quiet Monkfish

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Every one of those clubs have replaced their manager this year and are at least trying to do something to avoid relegation. We on the other hand are sleep walking towards it because we persist with someone who is clearly out of his depth and has been for quite some time now. By the time the board finally bite the bullet it will be too late.

With 14 days to our next game I suspect the club have already decided he'll go if we lose today. I suspect he knows it too.
15-03-25, 08:34
The Lone Gunman

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Originally Posted by WJ99mobile

These managers are often not the saviours people believe them to be.

All any club can ever do with a managerial appointment is attempt to give itself the best chance of success or survival. Do you think Cardiff City did that when Tan and Co gave the job to Omer Riza?
15-03-25, 09:01
Hilts

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

Every one of those clubs have replaced their manager this year and are at least trying to do something to avoid relegation. We on the other hand are sleep walking towards it because we persist with someone who is clearly out of his depth and has been for quite some time now. By the time the board finally bite the bullet it will be too late.

Totally agree.

I cant believe we have so many fans backing him.
15-03-25, 09:16
J R Hartley

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Originally Posted by Hilts

Totally agree.

I cant believe we have so many fans backing him.

Because he’s a ‘nice guy’ seems to be the only reason I see people come up with because they certainly can’t come up with anything constructive from a football point of view to argue for him.

The constant tinkering with personnel and formations every game is reminiscent of Ole in the Premier League, both thinking they are cleverer than they actually are and if we don’t pull the plug on this guy after today - win, lose or draw - then it’s going to be the same result - relegation.
15-03-25, 09:18
Llandaff Blue

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Originally Posted by WJ99mobile

Finally some sense.

These managers are often not the saviours people believe them to be.

Look at McCarthy. He set us backwards.

The worst managers we’ve had recently are the inexperienced ones. For all Micks faults he did alright initially, should’ve been let go in that summer and that’s on the board.

There’s no sense of direction with Riza, his coaching career is a genuine embarrassment, once he gets the boot here you won’t see him pop up anywhere else he’ll be back to managing 14 year olds.
15-03-25, 09:21
J R Hartley

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

With 14 days to our next game I suspect the club have already decided he'll go if we lose today. I suspect he knows it too.

It should have been done before now. There’s only 8 games left after today, and win, lose or draw today is of little relevance to the overall picture in my opinion. He’s not up to the job and that has been obvious for quite some time. Well, obvious to everyone but the clueless board and the odd supporter who likes to go against the grain for reasons only known to themselves because there is nothing from a footballing perspective you can argue a case for him.

Apart from the early new manager bounce, which in hindsight is looking more like the players having the Bulut shackles removed rather than anything remarkable that RIZA did, it’s been an absolute shitshow. 4 wins in 24. You won’t survive relegation winning 1 game every 6 games.
15-03-25, 11:02
A Quiet Monkfish

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Originally Posted by J R Hartley

It should have been done before now. There’s only 8 games left after today, and win, lose or draw today is of little relevance to the overall picture in my opinion. He’s not up to the job and that has been obvious for quite some time. Well, obvious to everyone but the clueless board and the odd supporter who likes to go against the grain for reasons only known to themselves because there is nothing from a footballing perspective you can argue a case for him.

Apart from the early new manager bounce, which in hindsight is looking more like the players having the Bulut shackles removed rather than anything remarkable that RIZA did, it’s been an absolute shitshow. 4 wins in 24. You won’t survive relegation winning 1 game every 6 games.

I suppose the noticeable upturn in performances following Bulut's departure gave some semblance of endorsement to the club's decision to give the job to Riza. As you say, he should have gone at least a month ago but no doubt the club didn't want to be tagged with the 'three managers in a season' jibe..

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