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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
Vindec
Thanks, suppose i could get into the weeds of it myself but can't be arsed, was just interested in where it was going in a nice pie chart :hehe: as i'm sure things like the armed force, nuclear power/weapons and foreign aid to Israel and other none deserving countries could be cut.
Interesting how aside from 1 person the argument has simply been about economics. Living in Catalunya for 20 years its a lot more nuanced, sentiment of people, language, culture, arts, education, and hundreds of other things.
Why is the UK in massive debt if Westminster and England is so great and strong?
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
The fact that there is such a disparity between the economy here and other parts of the UK is more of a case of independence than against one for me.
Decisions will always be made to support the economy in London and the South East, no matter the effect on regions such as Wales.
Ireland was probably the poorest part of the UK and now it is richer than the UK, because it takes decisions that benefits itself, not london.
If Ireland had never become independent it would probably still be as poor a Wales.
What currency would Wales be able to use if it became independent?
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
Whatever your views on the outcomes...
Welsh government: "We have tried to make the M4 relief road work but there is no way of making it a success and it doesn't fit with our commitment to the environment. Can we have investment in public transport?
UK government: "No. Despite our commitments to climate change, we will over-ride you if necessary because we fancy winning seats in Newport and Bristol."
Welsh government: "The chief health officers are recommending a circuit break in order to best manage the virus. We are unable to provide financial support to businesses on scale needed directly, we are willing to pay costs to make sure that they can access UK services smoothly - is that okay?
UK government: "No. You should have thought about that before taking alternative action despite the prime minister having very little contact with your government. If your actions are deemed a success then it will make us look bad."
Maybe in 10 years we find that the Welsh government had the wrong idea, maybe we don't, but the lack of dialogue and respect is concerning.
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
lennybluebird
Wales as is the case with Scotland will never be independent, if there not hitched up to England then they will be hitched up to Germany via brussels....people died to stop this in two wars.
People died in two world wars to stop Wales becoming a member of the European Union?
Really?
Interesting to see the punchline of the 2017 UKIP manifesto is still getting air time!
:hehe:
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
Don't we get more money from West minster than we put in?
What would Wales build upon to become self sufficient?
These are genuine questions by the way, I don't actually know what yes cymrus plans are.
Also, why is it yes Cymru and not ydw Cymru?
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
When I was a kid we had a local councillor and an MP.
Up until recently we had a councillor, an AM, an MP and an MEP.
I voted for Brexit and now the latter is history.
If I get the chance, so will my MS, or whatever they're called now.
Why would I vote for an organisation which spends millions on a feasibility study for a road which would help stop cars being stood still on the motorway, and then cancel it on environmental grounds despite having spent further millions buying Cardiff airport to protect polluting planes coming into the country(their flights to North Wales being safeguarded too being a happy accident), and on a study for a race track in the middle of the Welsh countryside, and creating a minimum price for alcohol which means the good people of Cardiff and Newport can now view a trip to Bristol as a 'Calais' run, whilst allowing swathes of land in the countryside around Cardiff and elsewhere to be built on?
All this whilst spending further fortunes on a name change and proposals to increase the number of Senedd members.
More politicians is the answer to no question ever asked.
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
I was being sarcastic. Wales on it's own is about as wealthy as Sudan
how about per capita?
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
Vindec
What currency would Wales be able to use if it became independent?
let's use the euro
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
comparable to chad?
don't be ridiculous
Its called a metaphor. It wasn't literal
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
Ireland didn't catch up and overtake the UK until the 1990s/2000s
With all due respect Irish GDP is vastly inflated with the double Irish set up for large multinationals.
A large part of Irish GDP does not feed through to Ireland. If you strip out the multinationals who don't actually spend their money in Ireland, you'll see a lower GDP more in line with Northern Ireland.
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
Lack of investment, and everything being driven to generate jobs and growth in London
Why will independence bring inward investment?
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
let's use the euro
So not independent then, but tied to Brussels.
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
TISS
So not independent then, but tied to Brussels.
Technically we wouldn't be completely alone like the US or some such (or how Britain would like to be so they can pretend their every success was singularly down to them) but we'd be a recognised nation with our own laws and tax raising powers.
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
TISS
With all due respect Irish GDP is vastly inflated with the double Irish set up for large multinationals.
A large part of Irish GDP does not feed through to Ireland. If you strip out the multinationals who don't actually spend their money in Ireland, you'll see a lower GDP more in line with Northern Ireland.
Ireland is almost a Tax Haven for the blue chips.
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
TISS
are these similar sized countries economies so intertwined with a G8 nation that its impossible to differentiate one from the other?
How anyone believes that Wales is doing well, beggers belief. Under which metric of success would you say we are doing well?
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
Garth Blue
How anyone believes that Wales is doing well, beggers belief. Under which metric of success would you say we are doing well?
A lot of Wales’s problems are social ones
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
TISS
the Tories have donations measured in millions, I'd be surprised if YesCymru had donations measured in thousands.
When you look at the Welsh results, the Tories polled better than Plaid Cymru at the last election. That says all you need to know about where the Welsh see their future. Around 10% vote for Plaid, and its not getting any higher than that.
Leaving the union would be economic suicide, as we have nothing much to offer the English in terms of trade.
Just like leaving Europe will be economic suicide.
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
Vindec
What currency would Wales be able to use if it became independent?
Pit Coin?
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
If Drakeford had his way it'd be the Mark.
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
The Gifaffe
If Drakeford had his way it'd be the Mark.
Drakema
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
lincoln blue
It's a NO from me, a Welsh speaker, especially while the present bunch of no marks are down The Bay.
Have elections with a better class of politician and I may change my mind, only might because I think we'd be pushing it to be financially better off alone as I think Scotland would too.
The class of Tory politician leading the country have really set the bar high haven't they?
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
Plaid cymru are actually a very socialist party and I should support them as they are far more socialist than the labour party will ever be
But they want independence which will never work and that Adam price is clueless
I couldn't vote for a nationalist party
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
The best way to generate jobs in South Wales is to by pass the grid lock on the M4 around Newport. On occasions I have been stuck in traffic as far back as Magor. The solution is in the hands of the Welsh government. There are areas of England that are equally as deprived as South Wales. When I visit Cardiff I am always amazed at how good the infrastructure is compared with South West England for example.
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
lennybluebird
Wales as is the case with Scotland will never be independent, if there not hitched up to England then they will be hitched up to Germany via brussels....people died to stop this in two wars.
History really isn't your thing is it (rhetorical)?
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
let's use the euro
The requirements for gaining entry to the EU and to use the Euro would never be met by Wales and Scotland would struggle. A country is unable to decide on its currency on its own but I guess you must know that.
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
Vindec
What currency would Wales be able to use if it became independent?
If only there were recent examples of countries gaining independence and introducing their own currency, Wales wouldn't have to worry about being pioneers.
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Plaid cymru are actually a very socialist party and I should support them as they are far more socialist than the labour party will ever be
But they want independence which will never work and that Adam price is clueless
I couldn't vote for a nationalist party
Agree, the previous manifesto was almost anarcho syndicalist.
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
TISS
Its called a metaphor. It wasn't literal
What does Wales have in common with Chad?
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
OurManFlint II
If only there were recent examples of countries gaining independence and introducing their own currency, Wales wouldn't have to worry about being pioneers.
Agreed currency is often touted as a sticking point in the Indy Scotland debate but really isn’t a major issue. But I would be very surprised if we didn’t follow Scotland with whatever they do, in which the Euro is a possibility.
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Re: Political post.. @Yescymru
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Originally Posted by
Tuerto
Ireland is almost a Tax Haven for the blue chips.
And that approach wouldn’t necessarily work here. A race to the bottom on corporation tax only works for so long.