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Re: Operation Yellowhammer
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
Even if only one of those things happen it shows what a disaster this has been.
Still waiting for one positive reason for the country too.
The closest we've had is William Treseder saying the EU are corrupt. Doesn't seem to mind our own Government being corrupt though.
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Re: Operation Yellowhammer
Load of old desperate bollocks by the remain faction. Not a single substantial point
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Re: Operation Yellowhammer
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Originally Posted by
rudy gestede
If no deal happens this isn’t project fear this is reality mate.
We are Britain and the actual case is people who rely on certain drugs will die because we can’t get them.
The U.K. imports 99.7% of its insulin. If you are happy for people who have something simple like diabetes to die fair enough.
But I hope you can tell me something positive that will come from this to offset people literally dying?
..............and you think the Danish pharmaceuticals firm Novo Nordisk, and Sanofi, based in France, will allow themselves to go to the wall because they cannot export to the UK. WE buy..... they sell.....stop scaremongering.
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Re: Operation Yellowhammer
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Originally Posted by
RonnieBird
Load of old desperate bollocks by the remain faction. Not a single substantial point
Why don't you log back in as Wales-Bales and answer my question earlier eh
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Re: Operation Yellowhammer
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Originally Posted by
rudy gestede
If you don’t have ronniebird and walesbales on ignore you should. Makes every thread much more bareable if you ignore him and the complete bollocks he posts.
How do you do that?
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Re: Operation Yellowhammer
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Originally Posted by
Maurice Swan
..............and you think the Danish pharmaceuticals firm Novo Nordisk, and Sanofi, based in France, will allow themselves to go to the wall because they cannot export to the UK. WE buy..... they sell.....stop scaremongering.
I'm not scaremongering mate it's facts. There's no want about it, you can't trade without a deal no matter how much they want to.
Also do you know what percentage of business the UK makes up of thesepharmaceuticals? Have a look in the yellowhammer document about the effect on the EU.
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Re: Operation Yellowhammer
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Originally Posted by
Maurice Swan
..............and you think the Danish pharmaceuticals firm Novo Nordisk, and Sanofi, based in France, will allow themselves to go to the wall because they cannot export to the UK. WE buy..... they sell.....stop scaremongering.
They’ve got 27 other countries without a trade barrier to sell drugs to mate and countless others with trade deals.
The U.K. makes up a percentage of their business and is the one suffering here.
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Re: Operation Yellowhammer
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Originally Posted by
Maurice Swan
..............and you think the Danish pharmaceuticals firm Novo Nordisk, and Sanofi, based in France, will allow themselves to go to the wall because they cannot export to the UK. WE buy..... they sell.....stop scaremongering.
Nobody denies that EU exporters won't be too happy about it but:
1) it doesn't mean they cannot export - it's a matter of timing and delays as much as anything else. But those delays can literally kill the people waiting
2) even if they couldn't export to the UK (which they can), it doesn't mean they would go bust
3) regardless of their commercial interests, they are not actually in charge of the EU's policy on Brexit so the fact that they won't like it doesn't actually mean it won't happen.
I genuinely think that people are underestimating the scale of disruption that this is going to cause to supply chains.
EDIT: just realised you might be thinking of the ban in teh other direction i.e. on exports from the UK. I think that is a possibility in an attempt to maintain medicine levels in the UK because of problems with imports and because the pound would likely crash, incentivising export.
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Re: Operation Yellowhammer
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Originally Posted by
Maurice Swan
..............and you think the Danish pharmaceuticals firm Novo Nordisk, and Sanofi, based in France, will allow themselves to go to the wall because they cannot export to the UK. WE buy..... they sell.....stop scaremongering.
Why have a lot of the UK's pharmaceutical companies relocated to the EU if it's going to be so bad for them?
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Re: Operation Yellowhammer
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Originally Posted by
rudy gestede
If you don’t have ronniebird and walesbales on ignore you should. Makes every thread much more bareable if you ignore him and the complete bollocks he posts.
I concur.
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Re: Operation Yellowhammer
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Originally Posted by
Optimistic Nick
How do you do that?
Go to his profile(s) and choose the fourth option down regarding ignoring the poster(s) concerned.
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Re: Operation Yellowhammer
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Originally Posted by
RonnieBird
Load of old desperate bollocks by the remain faction. Not a single substantial point
Now, if you'd have said " Load of old desperate codgers in the Leave faction. Not a genuine no deal voter among them", i would have agreed with you.
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Re: Operation Yellowhammer
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Originally Posted by
Taunton Blue Genie
Go to his profile(s) and choose the fourth option down regarding ignoring the poster(s) concerned.
thanks - I was not logged in for some reason. Done.
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Re: Operation Yellowhammer
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Originally Posted by
RonnieBird
Load of old desperate bollocks by the remain faction. Not a single substantial point
I think you’ll find that many “substantial points” have been made by Remainers, but Leavers choose to plug their ears, like my 6 year old son.
It is you, who has made no attempt at using any facts - only a load of claptrap about the war, which I doubt you’re old enough to have personally experienced.
Using the war as an example overlooks several flaws, namely that we didn’t choose to go to war (it was a reaction to the threat from Nazi Germany) and we didn’t win it ourselves - in fact we got our arses handed to us in the events leading up to Dunkirk (due to ill preparedness- sound familiar?) and were weeks away from defeat in the Battle of Britain before Hitler decided to invade Russia. We had to rely on being part of a larger group in order to prevail in the end.
I find it distasteful for Leavers (or Moggluddites, as I call them - you’re welcome) to keep banging on about the war and Churchill.
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Re: Operation Yellowhammer
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Originally Posted by
Maurice Swan
..............and you think the Danish pharmaceuticals firm Novo Nordisk, and Sanofi, based in France, will allow themselves to go to the wall because they cannot export to the UK. WE buy..... they sell.....stop scaremongering.
What percentage of the combined GDP of the EU do those two firms make up and why do you think they have so much say?
German car firms were meant to swing it in our favour the day after the vote and we are still waiting for that to happen.
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Re: Operation Yellowhammer
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Originally Posted by
Eric Cartman
What percentage of the GDP of the EU do those two firms make up?
German car firms were meant to swing it in our favour the day after the vote and we are still waiting for that to happen.
Also ignoring the fact that a lot of these pharmaceutical companies also had to move from the UK which resulted in job losses.
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Re: Operation Yellowhammer
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Originally Posted by
Optimistic Nick
How do you do that?
I did it a few weeks ago and the board is immeasurably better
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Re: Operation Yellowhammer
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Originally Posted by
Vindec
Presumably the vast majority on here will vote for Jeremy Corbyn. After all that is how their parents voted so they will blindly follow suit as do many in the country. Lets examine Labour's stance:
Corbyn first said he would honour the referendum in his manifesto; then he stated he would seek a new deal and put it to the people in a second referendum; then Labour state they will campaign for a General Election after which they will negotiate a better deal if elected and then vote against their own deal in a second referendum. Then yesterday Tom Watson's priority is to get a second referendum before an Election. How Labour propose selling this jumbled mess to the public on the doorstep is beyond comprehension. On the other hand we have the Liberals who will campaign to Remain while calling for a second Referendum the result of which they will ignore if they get into power if the voters vote again to leave. It's a clear message but equally daft as Labour's policy. Meanwhile Johnson is doing all he can to leave with no deal while pretending to negotiate revised and better deal with the EU. All this says to me is that all political parties are as bad as each other and are all playing political games to suit their purposes prior to an inevitable election.
As for Yellowhammer that is supposedly the worst case scenario to enable civil servants to concentrate on the areas of most importance if there is no deal. Many of the commentators have accepted hook line and sinker that Yellowhammer is a document of fact when clearly it is not. It's a planning document to deal with the issues raised. Some of the comments on here are bordering on the hysterical which is understandable as the politicians are ramping up project fear to appeal to prospective voters in the next Election.
I find the fact Labour haven't dumped Corbyn, regrouped and used this an opportunity to regain power and sort this shit out VERY depressing.
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Re: Operation Yellowhammer
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Originally Posted by
rudy gestede
If you don’t have ronniebird and walesbales on ignore you should. Makes every thread much more bareable if you ignore him and the complete bollocks he posts.
Truth.
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Re: Operation Yellowhammer
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Originally Posted by
RonnieBird
I voted for no deal if you want to put it that way, and I'm not a liar.
Any deal or otherwise was a thing which would obviously follow Brexit ,but it was not on the ballot paper and it wasn't an issue.
It's still not, except as another trick by the elite minority to stop Brexit.
It's about national sovereignty and history, including the wartime sacrifices which you make fun of there. However, the whole EU project is faulted for many reasons and the British public have voted to leave it, so in the end democracy will prevail.
So, given that we have never lost national sovereignty, you still haven't given that one upside of Brexit.
I would love to hear just one tangible benefit of Brexit, it doesn't have to be no-deal Brexit, it doesn't even have to offset all the negatives of Brexit, just one little positive.
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Re: Operation Yellowhammer
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Originally Posted by
The Hooded Claw
I think you’ll find that many “substantial points” have been made by Remainers, but Leavers choose to plug their ears, like my 6 year old son.
It is you, who has made no attempt at using any facts - only a load of claptrap about the war, which I doubt you’re old enough to have personally experienced.
Using the war as an example overlooks several flaws, namely that we didn’t choose to go to war (it was a reaction to the threat from Nazi Germany) and we didn’t win it ourselves - in fact we got our arses handed to us in the events leading up to Dunkirk (due to ill preparedness- sound familiar?) and were weeks away from defeat in the Battle of Britain before Hitler decided to invade Russia. We had to rely on being part of a larger group in order to prevail in the end.
I find it distasteful for Leavers (or Moggluddites, as I call them - you’re welcome) to keep banging on about the war and Churchill.
It's very convenient (and ironic) that these people forget that Churchill would have been completely ****ed without the Americans and the Russians.
Shout out to France, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc too. WHAT?
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Re: Operation Yellowhammer
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Originally Posted by
NYCBlue
I find the fact Labour haven't dumped Corbyn, regrouped and used this an opportunity to regain power and sort this shit out VERY depressing.
Anyone trying to regroup and sort themselves out during the utter clusterf*ck that is Brexit is fooling themselves. A lot of Labour voters voted for Brexit, for starters. They can't win an election without their votes.
Brexit has blown our political system to smithereens, and for starters, Corbyn is asking for his deal vs remaining in a referendum. It's a softish Brexit vs Remain. A sensible idea that avoids no deal and also safeguards the UK but also honours the referendum. They can't turn round to people and say your vote doesn't matter. They can say, right, this is what we believe Brexit to be, it's this or the status quo. Cameron should have done this, instead that pig enthusiast ran off with this stupid, idiotic referendum failed which he only ran because of his political ambition.
For Vindec, Yellowhammer is the base scenario. They've changed it to worst case so people don't lose their minds. Journalists and Civil Servants have confirmed this, as well as Gove.
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Re: Operation Yellowhammer
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Originally Posted by
rudy gestede
If no deal happens this isn’t project fear this is reality mate.
We are Britain and the actual case is people who rely on certain drugs will die because we can’t get them.
The U.K. imports 99.7% of its insulin. If you are happy for people who have something simple like diabetes to die fair enough.
But I hope you can tell me something positive that will come from this to offset people literally dying?
Insulin can be stored for a year.
There would be no excuse at all for there to be a shortage of insulin.
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Re: Operation Yellowhammer
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Originally Posted by
rs3100
So, given that we have never lost national sovereignty, you still haven't given that one upside of Brexit.
I would love to hear just one tangible benefit of Brexit, it doesn't have to be no-deal Brexit, it doesn't even have to offset all the negatives of Brexit, just one little positive.
We might get stamps in our passports when we go to the continent again, which always looks cool.
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Re: Operation Yellowhammer
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Originally Posted by
NYCBlue
It's very convenient (and ironic) that these people forget that Churchill would have been completely ****ed without the Americans and the Russians.
Shout out to France, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc too. WHAT?
... and Churchill was proposing a union with France.
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Re: Operation Yellowhammer
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Originally Posted by
Optimistic Nick
We might get stamps in our blue passports when we go to the continent again, which always looks cool.
Thanks Nick, I have corrected it for you.
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Re: Operation Yellowhammer
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Originally Posted by
Elwood Blues
Insulin can be store for a year.
There would be no excuse at all for there to be a shortage of insulin.
Where are the U.K. getting a years worth of insulin to store for everyone that needs it?
Even the companies that manufacture only have 16 weeks worth stored -
https://www.diabetes.co.uk/news/2019/sep/16-weeks-of-insulin-stockpiled-in-brexit-contingency-plans-93674148.html
Tory bootlicker looking for any excuse to continue to vote for them as usual.
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Re: Operation Yellowhammer
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Originally Posted by
rs3100
Thanks Nick, I have corrected it for you.
We didn't even need to leave to get blue passports, Croatia have different colour passports already :hehe:
And our blue ones are being made in France...
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Re: Operation Yellowhammer
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Originally Posted by
NYCBlue
It's very convenient (and ironic) that these people forget that Churchill would have been completely ****ed without the Americans and the Russians.
Shout out to France, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Canada, Australia, New Zealand etc too. WHAT?
I'm a massive remainer but Britain fought alone for a long time. They were helped by the US and Dunkirk was a miracle.
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Re: Operation Yellowhammer
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Originally Posted by
Optimistic Nick
We might get stamps in our passports when we go to the continent again, which always looks cool.
Queueing in the non EU passport control line won't be.