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celticknight
All I can remember was her getting a cob on regarding Warnock moaning about Chelsea's offside goal last season.
That said, she might not be the best judge of character. :hehe:
https://i.imgur.com/I5KrZZg.png
She really doesn’t like Warnock either :hehe:
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Rock_Flock_of_Five
There's a huge difference - Leeds might be a multi-cultural city, however, they have never had a multi-cultural following; perhaps they were deemed to have a racist element amongst them. Birmingham City, on the other hand, have had a large black following for many years. If you'd ever seen their away support in particular, you'd have noticed how they all mix without problems.
I am afraid you are incorrect , the Birmingham hooligan gang , the zulus , was notoriously racist up until the min 1990s when the gang was taken over by the local afro Caribbean nutters
I have seen their away support many times , my father was born and brought up in small heath he was a birmingham city fan before I made him see sense , it's not as multi cultural as a club with Birmingham's demographic should be
Mind you , nor is Cardiff's , if we are being honest
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Originally Posted by
Rock_Flock_of_Five
I don't know where Sludge is getting his idea that Birmingham is/was a racist club - he couldn't be any further from the truth, for reasons that you pointed out in your first paragraph.
I said it WAS
And up until local black hooligans took over the zulus in the 1990s , that along with leeds , Pompey, millwall , stoke etc , it very much was
As I say my father was a blue nose and he told me of horrific racist abuse on the terraces of st Andrew's
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Lawnmower
If this is true that’s disgraceful.
A lad off our bus was detained until late last night, I was told at 1AM he was released without charge due to ‘mistaken identity’.
His father has to drive to Reading to pick him up as his wallet was on the bus.
No attempt was made toco tact us about his whereabouts ( he is an adult by the way) and even our own police seemed to know very little about it.
Farce.
That's ****ing shocking
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SLUDGE FACTORY
My father was a blues fan before I converted him to the city
Whilst like cardiff , birmingham has a multicultural support , the football club in the 80s and 90s had a terrible reputation for racism , leeds is also a multicultural city but had similar problems
Birmingham city has always been the football club of the white working class in the city , Aston villa the more multicultural
Birmingham city is based in small heath , a large Asian area of the city , birmingham do not have a big Asian following , they do have a black following some of whom sadly took over the zulus hooligan gang but most of Birmingham's black community have aston villa as their club , hardly surprising when you think of the proximity of handsworth , aston and lozells to villa park
By working class you're referring to poor white people I guess..
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The anti-English stuff is frustratingly stupid, regardless of whether or not its related to this incident, singing it shows a complete lack of either education, narrow mindedness or both.
Our club was founded by an Englishman, is managed by an Englishman, has mainly English players and competes in English leagues.
The fact that the majority of people in society are unwilling or unable to think beyond superficial level is alarming. This also applies to politics too.
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Report on arrests: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51251551
Four Cardiff City fans were arrested for "alleged racially aggravated abuse" during Saturday's 1-1 FA Cup draw at Reading, Thames Valley Police said.
The four males have been released under investigation.
Two of the four, aged 15 and 24, are from Caerphilly, with a 16-year-old from Abergavenny and a 21-year-old from Crickhowell arrested too.
Thames Valley Police said: "The force will continue to work in partnership with the clubs and South Wales Police."
Warnings relating to the alleged incidents were issued via the public address system at Madejski Stadium.
On Saturday, Cardiff City said in a statement they were aware of the allegations.
"We will be speaking with Reading Football Club, Thames Valley Police and South Wales Police - in attendance with our travelling support - to ascertain the facts of the matter," said the Bluebirds.
"We will conduct these conversations with the relevant authorities before making any further comment."
A Football Association spokesperson said the body is aware of the allegations and will also be investigating.
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goats
I know, we have to go to places like stoke, Swansea, Luton, Barnsley, Blackburn and boro just to name a few who must hear this every week
🤣🤣... with the exception of Swansea and maybe Barnsley the rest are probably the top 4 of shitholes I’ve visited in the UK. Boro and Stoke are definitely 1and 2
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The racist chanting thing is interesting because a lot of the chants Cardiff fans use, and that are used against them, are racist, but they’re wheeled out every week and common place. At what point do you decide they’re no longer acceptable and for what reason? ‘Same old English, always cheating’ is racist. Is anyone taking offence to it though? Probably not. Swing Low is not a racist song, but is used against Welsh sides in a racist way. The Washington Redskins is a racially insensitive name too. Where do you draw the line though?
Scott Johnson's (Walesonline writer) take on matter: https://twitter.com/roathboy
This does give us a chance to review the songs we are singing and update songbook if any are inappropriate. At the moment some of our favourite responses to away fans singing about England (and that's becoming more rare) is to sing about football hooliganism or how England fecked up the World Cup - the latter being a different kettle of fish but considering they have a great chance of winning the Euros it may come back to bite us - and one of the loudest songs this season has been about child abuse. It would not be a bad thing to start singing pro-Cardiff City songs or pro-Welsh songs instead, or even abusive songs which don't make light of such personal and damaging things such as child abuse.
I've seen some posts in this thread highlighting that Cardiff is largely a city without a racism problem which may be true in comparison to some others, but I also remember the twitter feed highlighting racism in Welsh football when our away fans were banned from Hungary, which itself was about a month after two boys got attacked in South Wales and told to go home in a matter unrelated to football. The English media's starting position for their recent game marred by racism was to deny there was any issue at home and that's simply inaccurate, especially given that the majority were able to "factor in" Boris Johnson's racist statements and still vote Tory plus how media have traditionally reported on Raheem Sterling etc. We all still have steps to take to stand against racism.
If it does turn out to be typical anti-English stuff then maybe it can spark a wider conversation about xenophobic attitudes across borders within the UK? Members of the UK government jeer anytime an SNP MP suggests conversation about independence and Tories consistently vote against increasing presence of Welsh language but Cardiff City fans singing songs is picked up instead? And if a hasty announcement on the Reading tannoy is the start of a conversation about Brexit was partly built on fear of Scotland having louder voice in UK (and therefore UK as it is today is based on established xenophobia) then all power to the biscuit-men,
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
I am afraid you are incorrect , the Birmingham hooligan gang , the zulus , was notoriously racist up until the min 1990s when the gang was taken over by the local afro Caribbean nutters
I have seen their away support many times , my father was born and brought up in small heath he was a birmingham city fan before I made him see sense , it's not as multi cultural as a club with Birmingham's demographic should be
Mind you , nor is Cardiff's , if we are being honest
I'd say that's because a sizeable chunk (maybe even a majority) of Cardiff's support aren't from Cardiff but from the surrounding, whiter areas
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City123
I'd say that's because a sizeable chunk (maybe even a majority) of Cardiff's support aren't from Cardiff but from the surrounding, whiter areas
I think a survey showed that the majority of our support came from cardiff but we undoubtedly get a large following from areas with little ethnic minority population eg bridgend , the valleys etc
Apart from arsenal , which is located bang in the middle of one of the worlds most cosmopolitan cities , football is or was generally a white working class game in the uk
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StraightOuttaCanton
🤣🤣... with the exception of Swansea and maybe Barnsley the rest are probably the top 4 of shitholes I’ve visited in the UK. Boro and Stoke are definitely 1and 2
My father used to travel all over the UK in the 40's and 50's. I remember asking him what were the worst places he'd stayed in. He told me "Two. Stoke and Middlesbrough".
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
I think a survey showed that the majority of our support came from cardiff but we undoubtedly get a large following from areas with little ethnic minority population eg bridgend , the valleys etc
Apart from arsenal , which is located bang in the middle of one of the worlds most cosmopolitan cities , football is or was generally a white working class game in the uk
The football club Dial Square was started by Surrey factory workers the century before last, so I’d have thought Arsenal’s roots were white working class.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
I think a survey showed that the majority of our support came from cardiff but we undoubtedly get a large following from areas with little ethnic minority population eg bridgend , the valleys etc
Apart from arsenal , which is located bang in the middle of one of the worlds most cosmopolitan cities , football is or was generally a white working class game in the uk
Surely spurs too? It’s next to broad water farm estate isn’t it?
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splott parker
The football club Dial Square was started by Surrey factory workers the century before last, so I’d have thought Arsenal’s roots were white working class.
That's before they moved to north london
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goats
Surely spurs too? It’s next to broad water farm estate isn’t it?
Indeed , spurs has a large black , asian and Cypriot support , matching the local area
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
I think a survey showed that the majority of our support came from cardiff but we undoubtedly get a large following from areas with little ethnic minority population eg bridgend , the valleys etc
Apart from arsenal , which is located bang in the middle of one of the worlds most cosmopolitan cities , football is or was generally a white working class game in the uk
I'm from Bridgend, and certainly amongst my generation you'd get your head kicked in there for saying anything racist.
Plenty of old racists around, but I still doubt they're brave enough to do it at a City game.
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My recollection of the Birmingham Zulus in the 80s was one with a large afro Caribbean contingent.
So i wouldn't think they'd have a large racism problem.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Indeed , spurs has a large black , asian and Cypriot support , matching the local area
I think you might have left out quite an important North London community there Sludge.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
That's before they moved to north london
You did say ‘is or was a generally white, working class game’, so I’d say Arsenal fall into the ‘was’ category given their roots.
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soulsurfer3
I think you might have left out quite an important North London community there Sludge.
I’d say there are very few ‘racist’ clubs in London, understandably with the divergent ethnic communities that live in and around London, Chelsea probably have the poorest reputation through their previous links with C18 but that was a long time ago and I now know many people from minority backgrounds that now support Chelsea.
I’ve been supporting CCFC since 84 and it would be naive to say I’ve never heard anything racist, however it’s always been the odd individual...hand on heart, I would imagine (based on our hardcore 80s & 90s fans) we would be one of the least racist group of supporters within the UK...
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splott parker
The football club Dial Square was started by Surrey factory workers the century before last, so I’d have thought Arsenal’s roots were white working class.
Woolwich is a long way from Surrey.
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[QUOTE=ivandobsky;5042147]Woolwich is a long way from Surrey.[/QUOTE
Getting my County Championship sides mixed up, doh! Kent.
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insider
My recollection of the Birmingham Zulus in the 80s was one with a large afro Caribbean contingent.
So i wouldn't think they'd have a large racism problem.
Ah remember the good old BCFC chants of "You White Honkey"...
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Tuerto
I've heard racist shit down the City, One bloke shouting rag head at raheem sterling and i've heard Black c**** a couple of times although that's spread over 10 seasons. I had words with the bloke who was abusing sterling, he wanted to fight me. TLG pulled some racist city fans some years back at Charlton.
Charlton one was on the bus. Some ****in Cffili boys on a jolly.
I heard one roider mouthing off against JFH at Wembley.
Those are the only two occasions.
Does seem to be something more and more people are doing though.
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Divine Wright
Charlton one was on the bus. Some ****in Cffili boys on a jolly.
I heard one roider mouthing off against JFH at Wembley.
Those are the only two occasions.
Does seem to be something more and more people are doing though.
That's because racism is becoming less normal. It's a bit like smoking in a way. Smokers stick out like a sore thumb these days.
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ivandobsky
Woolwich is a long way from Surrey.
No its not, or certainly wasn't back in the 1890s. about 6 miles.
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Carl Dale's Mole
Unfortunately there are racists among our supporters. You only have to look at Colonel's board for that. But the announcement at the game seemed out of place and I hope the club clear our name and make Reading look as silly as they are. Damage is already done though because Sky etc. have their headlines and won't follow up if it means us looking good.
I thought this was an interesting post. People may not know (as it happened on the politics forum) but in the last few weeks one poster has used 'natural born UK citizen' as a synonym for a white person and another blamed the virus outbreak on Chinese people having brains that are biologically different to westerners.
Unfortunately, racism is alive and kicking everywhere.
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lardy
I thought this was an interesting post. People may not know (as it happened on the politics forum) but in the last few weeks one poster has used 'natural born UK citizen' as a synonym for a white person and another blamed the virus outbreak on Chinese people having brains that are biologically different to westerners.
Unfortunately, racism is alive and kicking everywhere.
Bloody hell. And people mask it by calling anyone who disagrees a snowflake and says it’s PC gone mad.
The colonel’s board is a depressing read, it’s like there’s a few edgy 13 year olds on there but they’re actually grown men.
Natural born U.K. citizen in the talk of a proper racist. Whoever said that is a c*nt.
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Divine Wright
Charlton one was on the bus. Some ****in Cffili boys on a jolly.
That was a different incident on another trip to Charlton.
Tuerto's talking about a game at the Valley during the Dave Jones era at which I was involved in an altercation with a group of guys behind us who were continually racially abusing Charlton's Chinese midfielder. One of them got very aggressive. He was a regular on the supporters' club coaches at the time. I haven't seen him at a City match for several years, although admittedly I very rarely travel away these days.
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lardy
Unfortunately, racism is alive and kicking everywhere.
There is "casual racism" everywhere everyday. You'll hear it down your local or in the works canteen, or as you chat casually with mates.
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Croesy Blue
Bloody hell. And people mask it by calling anyone who disagrees a snowflake and says it’s PC gone mad.
The colonel’s board is a depressing read, it’s like there’s a few edgy 13 year olds on there but they’re actually grown men.
Natural born U.K. citizen in the talk of a proper racist. Whoever said that is a c*nt.
I thought that was said on here not the Colonels board?
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Sky Sports News running a story at the bottom of their page now.
''Reading apologise to Cardiff fans for announcement made over PA system during match on Saturday.
Four Cardiff fans arrested for alleged racist chanting later described as anti-English.
Reading: We will review our procedure regarding public matchday announcements of this nature''.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52683759
Posted today by BBC! Not sure if this just means the charges have been dropped or if a duplicate story. Surely the four fans were 'released' in January?
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The English need to grow a pair, the problem with those from an imperialist nation is that often they can give it but often they can't take it because they are not used to it.
Comedians get away with saying Irish this, Scots that and the Welsh the other and 99% of the time the Irish, Scots and Welsh take it in good part but the minute jokes are made about English people a fair few of them get offended and that is because historically they have had the whip hand (due to weight of numbers) and are not used to being the butt of jokes.
LOL, sorry one just has to laugh sometimes.
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I'm offended by bad language, I would not want to take children, female family members etc to football because of bad language, I think it's as bad as racist or homophobic language and if people get chucked out for racist or homophobic language then I think people should be chucked out for using foul and vile language as well.
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trampie09
I'm offended by bad language, I would not want to take children, female family members etc to football because of bad language, I think it's as bad as racist or homophobic language and if people get chucked out for racist or homophobic language I think people should be chucked out for using foul and vile language as well.
I couldn't fcuking agree more!! Well said! :-)
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xsnaggle
I couldn't fcuking agree more!! Well said! :-)
Were you brought up in the chapel tradition ?
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Kind of Blue
Have most definitely heard racist and bigoted crap spouted by Kairdiff accents too whilst following the city.
Last time for me was West Ham away last season, a decent sized bunch chanting and hurling about pretty vile anti Muslim and Asian bile.
It ain’t endemic, thankfully, but it exists.
I was there as well and heard that too. It shocked me too - as it wasn't something I'd heard from our away fans since the early 80's. People need to stop denying that there is 'an element' - however small.